Prostitution - Expectations?

[Barzalene]

Seriously? Get over it.
If your pc is relying on actual played out mudsex then you have far more imaginative concept than I could ever come up with.
But seriously? Seriously? This is worth arguing over?

[brytta.leofa]

There's mudsex and then there's mudsex.  Describing what went on doesn't need to take very long or be especially titillating.

Expecting other players to write soft porn for you is...I hope what this thread isn't about.

[Kevo]

Amanda is right - if you play a prostitute, you should be prepared to play the ensuing couplings.

No one is ever obligated to roleplay out sex.  Ever.  Posts like those can mislead people into believing otherwise.

This quote, and the supporting documentation should shut down ANY and all IG disputes about whether or not pro's can FTB, because it's the player who fades to black, not the char. And Players have more rights.



But onto this elaborate hypothetical situation, and all the crap that's come with it.


Question, would it be reasonable to make a bard, who never rp's singing or entertaining? A masseuse, who never rp's massaging? A hair stylist, who doesn't even own scissors because he fades to black each barbering session?

If your answer is: That's not the same, sex is different, then you are indeed correct, but consider this;

Can I make a professional torturer (interrogator, cuddler operator, etc), who never actually rp's out any torture scenes? Sex may be different, but it's covered by the same clauses as those that cover torture and rape. In effect, player's right's overrule the necessity for roleplay of 'uncomfortable, taboo things'.



But why make a char to whom 'uncomfortable, taboo things' are an everyday EXPECTATION (not player expectation IG, IC, Zalanthan expectation), if you never plan on rp'ing them out?

I'm not saying this has been done, or will be done, or is being considering, but that seems to be the meat of the questions going around, when you cut off the snarky fat. (humor, please)

In essence, this is a roleplaying game. Roleplay those things you love to play, and try to avoid roleplaying those things you don't. Period, end of the line.

Oh, and if you happen to pay for a FTB sexual encounter, and this bothers you, don't get upset, have your char find an IC reason to not want that again, such as E.D., reminds you of your mother, smelled something funny, or you embarassed yourself. Or, you were generally just unsatisfied. Don't blame it on the player, give them that much freedom, but, always feel free to blame it on the char, that's what they're there for.








Sidenote: Magickers have better sex than anyone out there except possibly mindworms, because of the awesome cantrips, and sexual/magical exploration.

[jhunter]

I was thinking about playing a prostitute pc sometime. This thread has changed my mind. The idea that people actually get upset about others not wanting to emote out all the gory details of every sexual encounter and encouraging others to come up with excuses not to interact with them again over it, or not to pay them with coded coin, etc....frankly, it disgusts me and completely turns me off on the idea of playing such characters. I have only once not faded to black in a sexual encounter and I always will do so simply for the fact that I cannot help but picture that the person on the other end is getting off on it. It makes me extremely uncomfortable. The fact that people are actually getting upset about people who ftb for sexual encounters further makes me feel that some people are here to cyber more than to roleplay.

Or...I may just play it out and then throw in something fucked up to mess with them in case they are getting off on it.

*after emoting out in realistic detail the encounter up to this point*

>emote grunts, violently ejaculating all over the place. It is like a storm of liquid salt.

>say (panting) Ahhh...well fuck. See ya later.

>s

[Lizzie]

No one is getting upset about others not wanting to emote out all the gory details of every sexual encounter and encouraging others to come up with excuses not to interact with them again over it, or not to pay them with coded coin, etc. Well except maybe you.

I haven't seen a single post in this entire thread, by anyone claiming they were even vaguely interested in insisting that anyone emote out all the gory details of every sexual encounter.

I haven't seen a single post by anyone "encouraging" anyone to come up with excuses not to interact with anyone ever again.

I haven't seen a single post by anyone encouraging people not to pay with coded coin.

What I HAVE seen, is some people saying it's pretty weird to intentionally play a very specific type of character, and yet refuse to ever actually roleplay out the primary function of that character's job.

What I HAVE seen, is some people saying that -they- come up with excuses not to interact with them again - and suggesting that IF someone else agrees, then there are reasonable IC excuses you can come up with, if you choose not to interact with that person, so that you don't have to turn it into an OOC slug-match.

What I HAVE seen, is some people saying that -they- would not be willing to pay coded coins for faded sex.

What I HAVE seen, is me saying that I wouldn't hire a prostitute at all, in game (or out for that matter), because I find the whole idea of it, faded or otherwise, to be distasteful. AND, that I feel that roleplaying a prostitute and then fading -every time- is pointless and silly.

[jhunter]

No one is getting upset about others not wanting to emote out all the gory details of every sexual encounter and encouraging others to come up with excuses not to interact with them again over it, or not to pay them with coded coin, etc. Well except maybe you.

I haven't seen a single post in this entire thread, by anyone claiming they were even vaguely interested in insisting that anyone emote out all the gory details of every sexual encounter.

I haven't seen a single post by anyone "encouraging" anyone to come up with excuses not to interact with anyone ever again.

I haven't seen a single post by anyone encouraging people not to pay with coded coin.

What I HAVE seen, is some people saying it's pretty weird to intentionally play a very specific type of character, and yet refuse to ever actually roleplay out the primary function of that character's job.

What I HAVE seen, is some people saying that -they- come up with excuses not to interact with them again - and suggesting that IF someone else agrees, then there are reasonable IC excuses you can come up with, if you choose not to interact with that person, so that you don't have to turn it into an OOC slug-match.

What I HAVE seen, is some people saying that -they- would not be willing to pay coded coins for faded sex.

What I HAVE seen, is me saying that I wouldn't hire a prostitute at all, in game (or out for that matter), because I find the whole idea of it, faded or otherwise, to be distasteful. AND, that I feel that roleplaying a prostitute and then fading -every time- is pointless and silly.

If you fade, you deprive the customer of what they paid for.

If I'm gonna spend some coded coins for sexy entertainment, then I want that to be coded sexy entertainment.

But I would be pissed at a prostitute's player who insisted on an FTB.

If you fade, you deprive the customer of what they paid for.

Just don't expect much business from people who -want- to play them out.

And yes, if you do fade, as a pc prostitute, my character's probably going to say 'Hey, they were mediocre. I'm gonna pay a different skank next time.

'

If I'm gonna spend some coded coins for sexy entertainment, then I want that to be coded sexy entertainment.

It's not that big of a deal to withold coin because the other person didn't emote about them moaning or some other bullshit.

Oh, and if you happen to pay for a FTB sexual encounter, and this bothers you, don't get upset, have your char find an IC reason to not want that again, such as E.D., reminds you of your mother, smelled something funny, or you embarassed yourself. Or, you were generally just unsatisfied.

Should ANYONE (be they prostitutes, hunters, barbers, assassins, grebbers, magickers or persons of any other trade) expect to be paid every time for virtual services rendered when there are other PCs of the exact same trade out there spending the time and taking the risk to earn the same sid for the same job? No, it would be wrong of them to take advantage of Players like that.

Several of the above quotes can fit into one or more of the catagories mentioned. As others have said, there is more to playing a prostitute pc than emoting out the sex acts for people. Also, that because there was a FTB, it doesn't mean that the act didn't happen or that one should be allowed to "punish" the other player for choosing to FTB. Anyway, I don't want to pointlessly argue for the sake of arguing and with that, I bow out of this thread.

[Aaron Goulet]

Quite frankly, I am a little disappointed by peoples' attitudes regarding fading to black.  It is a tool to avoid uncomfortable situations, not a cop-out to avoid "doing work".  If a prostitute decides to fate to black with any of my PCs, I will be perfectly okay with it, and will judge my character's level of satisfaction based on the events prior to and after the act.

The last thing I want to see is players feeling pressured into mudsexing for fear of judgment.

[MeTekillot]

If you don't want to have to deal with the pressures of mudsex, although there should be none, don't play a role SPECIFICALLY made to involve sex. Seriously.

[FantasyWriter]

This thing hasn't gotten locked yet?

[Aaron Goulet]

If you don't want to have to deal with the pressures of mudsex, although there should be none, don't play a role SPECIFICALLY made to involve sex. Seriously.

I can see peoples' reasons for wanting to do this (it makes a good cover, for one).  Also, people seem to forget that a prostitute is not an emotionless blow-up doll, existing only for sex (your characters may see prostitutes in this light, but it is seldom actually true).

Again though, the issue here is players' OOC expectations, not role choice (see thread title).

This thing hasn't gotten locked yet?

Soon, I hope.

[Kevo]

Lizzie, your post was pretty nice and enlightening, I have trouble following these things sometimes due to specific AHRGHRRHGHGRHGH




So everyone reading this, agree with me here:

I like roleplaying.

I like roleplaying with others who roleplay, and like it.

I do not hold it against a player when the player's politely requesting fading to black on a scene.

When a char pays another char for something, (be general), even the players expect it.

FTB'ing does not mean it didn't happen, in the game. (Virtually or Roleplayed)

If, the above is true, then it's probably true that it would be just pure 'T' awesome, if your char paid for sexual favors  (this being the limits of the interactions we're currently discussing), they got them. I think I'd love to see someone play a prostitute who, liked roleplaying, and if they chose to FTB, would give something in the way of.....a story.

Aren't we all storytellers?          /PBSmoment

Since a wise man once suggested I be the change I want to see in armageddon, I'm gonna be that prostitute. I'll FTB, and tell you how using feats of agility (char prequisite) I blew your mind....LITERALLY, or how I maid you dress up like a slave-girl with elf ears, and then stole away with your coin, (player agreement prerequisite), I was actually horrible, and I kind of threw up a little in your mouth, I'm really new at this, and started crying.....In fact, sometimes I won't even FTB, I'll just make you chase me down the streets of (censored), while I scream wildly, butt naked.



I can now imagine someone playing a prostitute, and never roleplaying out mudsex, and them just being........awesome at it.

I'm gonna stop reading this thread unless more people come up with other expectations.

[Akaramu]

The last thing I want to see is players feeling pressured into mudsexing for fear of judgment.

That is exactly the point several of us are trying to make, though. Why should a player who is generally uncomfortable with sexual roleplay pick a prostitute, of all possible roles, for their character concept? There are other social roles that involve many of the other roleplay aspects involving prostitures, but make the sex completely optional. There is a reason I never picked whore as a character concept for myself. I only had one PC who slipped into it briefly, out of need and because it was IC.

Edit to add: This is the main reason I am bothered by characters trying to pressure other PC's into whoring, and give extremely negative reactions if they don't want to. Maybe it is IC for you to bully others who don't want to be whores, but give the other player a break, please, if this is clearly not the kind of role they want to get into.

[a strange shadow]

There's a big difference between a creative "fade emote" or a 3-5 emote gloss-over and writing soft porn for all you horny lads and lasses. I have this sneaking suspicion that those who object to playing out mudsex as a prostitute (or merely promiscuous) character are really objecting to the latter option. No one (okay, maybe some of you) wants to spend three hours emoting about fucking. As others have mentioned, spending your hours writing porno is not the main objective of playing a prostitute character. Or well... I would hope.

[RogueGunslinger]

I think this thread has served it's purpose. It's just getting redundant, and... irritating.

[Ampere]

I think this thread has served it's purpose. It's just getting redundant, and... irritating.

[EDITED BY THISTLE]: don't look.

I've never actually known a [EDITED BY AMPERE BECAUSE THISTLE DOESN'T READ THE FINE PRINT] to say that.

ADDITIONAL EDIT: Homophobic?  I actually find it homophobic that you would find it homophobic...but I suppose, in turn, you may find it homophobic that I find it homophobic that you find it homophobic.  A viscous cycle.

[brytta.leofa]

A viscous cycle.

Now that was jes' uncalled for.

[Ampere]

A viscous cycle.

Now that was jes' uncalled for.

That's awesome. This is my fourth sixteen hour day of serious physical labour in a row...not an excuse, simply the reason...lizzie 2 is coming to ottawa for canada day this year, big show.

Viscous stays.

[Lizzie]

Lizzie 1 is not going to Ottowa. Nor is she a prostitute.

[boog]

Well. Maybe for the initial time you could do it all mudsexed out. And then for later, you could just clip it to a faaaade.

Hee.

[lussien]

I'm a visual person, so I really enjoy if they like to fully play it out, plus it's like meeting a need of your fantasy or something thought you don't get much excitement from text, it is still pretty entertaining and worth how much your PC paid. Unless I'm really tired and I don't wanna make it really long, then I don't mind to fade. Just asking from an OOC permission is all good to go.

[spicemustflow]

The fuck happened here?

[BlackMagic0]

The fuck happened here?

One pump chumps.

[Niamh]

I am shutting this thread down, for obvious reasons.

To reiterate, NO ONE is EVER obligated to roleplay out sex.  It does not matter what sort of role they are playing, even a prostitute.  If anyone ever tries to force something like that upon you (read help consent), get into contact with staff IMMEDIATELY to report this violation of the rules.

Thank you, come again.