weather, why is it only on the ground?

[spawnloser]

Okay, I'm not saying that whirans need to be F'd by weather, but I think it's stupid that storms only travel along the ground.  I would LOVE to be able to 'weather up' to be able to see what the prevailing weather is like in the area about the city instead of only being able to see what's in the city.  It is ridiculous that you have to haul your happy a&&e& to the gate just to see what's going on outside when, from quite a few places in quite a few cities, you should be able to see the sky to some distance out to know if there's a sandstorm out there.

[Agent_137]

in the mean time, won't just going to the gate and doing 'weather north' do?

And if your city is not covered . . . then how will your weather inside be all that different from outside?

and if it IS covered, how can you tell what it's like outside?

[5 day lifespan]

Sand storms by their nature are low to the ground, and in the midst of one you cant see up very well.  In a city, the walls block much of the effects, just as I have noticed certain areas in game give you different amounts of shelter in a storm based on code.  Having been in a couple sandstorms, it all seems pretty realistic to me.

[spawnloser]

So, if a storm is outside, it shouldn't be inside at all because the walls block it?  I think it is unrealistic to NOT be able to see what the weather is like outside the city when circumstances should permit it... and I think having to go to the gates to look outside is silly in some situations.  You should be able to see if there's a storm outside without GOING outside.

[a strange shadow]

weather w

It's not THAT hard.

[Lizzie]

Only thing missing that I know of, is being able to check the weather, when you're inside a pilot's chamber of a wagon that is not part of the wagon's exit. "weather out" returns an error. I idea'd it, and bugged it, but either the staff doesn't feel it's a priority, or it is working as intended and they don't want to change it. Either way, I feel that if you're in a pilot's chamber, and type "weather out," you should be able to *see* if the sand in front of the wagon is kicking up, or if there's a breeze coming through the chamber window (which is not glassed in)...etc.

[spawnloser]

weather w

It's not THAT hard.

Did you read ONE word that I posted?  Here, let me try again...

I THINK IT CONTRIVED, SILLY, STUPID THAT YOU CAN'T SEE OVER A FREAKING WALL!

[Lizzie]

weather w

It's not THAT hard.

Did you read ONE word that I posted?  Here, let me try again...

I THINK IT CONTRIVED, SILLY, STUPID THAT YOU CAN'T SEE OVER A FREAKING WALL!

...you look at certain restrictions as a brick wall that you can't get past, and I know for fact (and so does anyone that's played a Rinthi) that these walls aren't nearly as high as they look like and not so long of reach that you can't get around by being clever and THINKING.

[spawnloser]

Aw, that's cute.  You're bitching about social issues.  I'm bitching about code and realism issues.  They do not compare, Lizzie.

[Eternal Strife]

You could always use 'The Way' to ask friends what the weather is like in or near other cities.

[FantasyWriter]

In case it hasn't been stated yet, the reason we can't ">weather up" inside the city is that it woule require the creation of a room over EVERY room in the city for you to check the weather in.  A huge task that would require time that staff probably sees as better used elsewhere.

[spawnloser]

In case it hasn't been stated yet, the reason we can't ">weather up" inside the city is that it woule require the creation of a room over EVERY room in the city for you to check the weather in.  A huge task that would require time that staff probably sees as better used elsewhere.

Incorrect.

[Incognito]

Being able to notice the weather - by looking "over" the walls of a City-State like Allanak or Tuluk, would imply that your PC's height has to be disproportionately-mutated, unless you mean to imply that the above-referred walls are unrealistically short - considering the fact that they do protect the entire populace from not only the weather, but far far greater dangers.

When I picture Allanak's city walls - I think of a fortified castle - like Gondor or Rohan - in LoTR. The people on the ramparts can see outside, but the general populace residing in the lower levels cannot see outside.

To put things in further perspective - imagine walls and gates high enough to easily accomodate Mek-drawn argosies....

[Kassindra]

Being able to notice the weather - by looking "over" the walls of a City-State like Allanak or Tuluk, would imply that your PC's height has to be disproportionately-mutated, unless you mean to imply that the above-referred walls are unrealistically short - considering the fact that they do protect the entire populace from not only the weather, but far far greater dangers.

When I picture Allanak's city walls - I think of a fortified castle - like Gondor or Rohan - in LoTR. The people on the ramparts can see outside, but the general populace residing in the lower levels cannot see outside.

To put things in further perspective - imagine walls and gates high enough to easily accomodate Mek-drawn argosies....

This is also how I've pictured the city walls in the game since they are there for the protection of the populace afterall. I wouldn't think they're the height of your average white picket fence or garden wall, so I think it's perfectly fine that I cannot see over a wall to find out the weather. Ask a friend or go check for yourself.

[RogueGunslinger]

What? The idea that you don't know a massive sandstorm is just over a thirty foot wall is absurd.



How could you not see that?

[musashi]

What? The idea that you don't know a massive sandstorm is just over a thirty foot wall is absurd.



How could you not see that?

True ... unless you're right at the base of the wall, you should be able to see a massive sandstorm on the distant horizon easily, I'm just not sure how best to go about representing that in game without a lot of extra coding.

[Kassindra]

True enough. Should atleast be able to see something that big.

[FantasyWriter]

In case it hasn't been stated yet, the reason we can't ">weather up" inside the city is that it woule require the creation of a room over EVERY room in the city for you to check the weather in.  A huge task that would require time that staff probably sees as better used elsewhere.

Incorrect.

There are places where you can check the weather in a room that doesnt exist?

[Incognito]

What? The idea that you don't know a massive sandstorm is just over a thirty foot wall is absurd.



How could you not see that?

That scenario's quite different from the one I picture the City-States of Allanak and Tuluk to be. I imagine the city walls to be atleast six-feet thick and perhaps sixty to eighty feet tall.

However, if Allanak and Tuluk are like the picture of the camp above, then you probably wouldnt even need to look up to notice the storm - you could just notice it from the horizon from miles away.

The weather code could easily be modified to include something like:
Weather
You are indoors : The sands are silent.
Immediately outside: A harsh sandstorm fills the air.

[spawnloser]

In case it hasn't been stated yet, the reason we can't ">weather up" inside the city is that it woule require the creation of a room over EVERY room in the city for you to check the weather in.  A huge task that would require time that staff probably sees as better used elsewhere.

Incorrect.

There are places where you can check the weather in a room that doesnt exist?

That's not what I was saying was incorrect.  You don't need 1 room for every room on the ground.  1 room in the air could cover multiple rooms on the ground (all of the ground rooms have an exit up into the same room while the aerial room has 1 exit down into only 1 of those rooms).

I'd say more, but it'd go into IC details and I'd like to avoid that.  It's part of the game design.

[FantasyWriter]

Ah, I see... I remember such a place.  I wasn't thinking about that.