Breed is a good SDESC word

[jmordetsky]

wtf - why banned?

Dorks.


EDIT: BREED FOR SDESCS in 2009!!! RAWR!

EDIT: MANSA FOR PRESIDENT! EL PRESIDENTE MANSINO! 2009! Devolver la palabra "raza"!

[mansa]

http://www.armageddon.org/general/words.html

[jmordetsky]

http://www.armageddon.org/general/words.html

Um, yea, thanks.


I KNOW TARD FACE.

But why?

[mansa]

http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,20020.0.html



sorta this too:

http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,21616.0.html

[jmordetsky]

http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,20020.0.html



sorta this too:

http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,21616.0.html

I never learned to read.

[mansa]

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Breed came too close to slang.

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[jmordetsky]

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Breed came too close to slang.

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WELL I DISAGREE. and you suck.

[mansa]

Yes, mutant is fine, make sure it matches the main desc. Ditto albino and hunchback.

Teen is allowable because it doesn't lead to the same sort of mistaken play as child.  One of the rules of thumb I use to determine whether or not a word is jarring  is would the word be terribly jarring in a typical fantasy novel. Obviously, there are subtle shades of difference in all sorts of words, and teen may well be one of them.  I would not find it unexpected in most fantasy novels. Many teens are somewhat androgynous.

You are welcome to special app a FORBIDDEN noun and we'll take a look.

Other noun-related problems include nouns than require special code, like a winged person who wants flight coded for them -- or may swear up and down that they won't do that and yet after a couple of months they're starting to say, hey, you know, would it be possible if....? etc.  Nouns that confuse people -- "giant" is one of those, given that we have half-giants in the game.

[Synthesis]

I always liked half-breed, too.

When you have the epithet in your sdesc, it's an invitation for people to be nasty to you.  Sort of like saying, "Hey guys, I won't get butt-hurt (OOC) if you're mean to me."

[jmordetsky]

I always liked half-breed, too.

When you have the epithet in your sdesc, it's an invitation for people to be nasty to you.  Sort of like saying, "Hey guys, I won't get butt-hurt (OOC) if you're mean to me."

I hurt mansa's butt last night.

[jhunter]

I always liked breed too. Used it a couple of times before that.

[mansa]

I'm not sure how well this would work, as has been pointed out above. There is a piece of cartilage called the epiglottis that keeps food and drink from entering the respiratory system. When at rest (such as when a person is not conscious) the epiglottis closes off the path to the stomach, and leaves the path to the lungs open. The epiglottis covers the path to the lungs through the conscious act of swallowing. Forcing food or drink down an unconcious person's throat would lead it into the lungs, which would probably kill them faster by drowning, rather than help them.

So no, this wouldn't work for food or drink to save starving people.

That being said, there may be some wiggle room for poison antedotes, assuming it was not in the form of a potion. A tablet or paste of some kind could feasibly be absorbed through the mucus membranes between the cheek and gum without killing the person, although it would be dangerous, as they may aspirate some of the paste. The safer route is putting the paste in the person's anus, as the membranes there are very absorbant. This is actually an accepted method of reviving an unconcious diabetic who needs glucose. We're not allowed to give it orally, due to the risk, and if we don't have a person able to give it via an IV, then you flip the person over, and give it anally. That person will be up and talking to you, wondering where the hell they are, in about a minute.

Sooo... if Ness wanted to code it so you could give poison antedotes (not bananas) to Mansa anally... I'd say it was a medically realistic option.

-S

[jmordetsky]

I'm not sure how well this would work, as has been pointed out above. There is a piece of cartilage called the epiglottis that keeps food and drink from entering the respiratory system. When at rest (such as when a person is not conscious) the epiglottis closes off the path to the stomach, and leaves the path to the lungs open. The epiglottis covers the path to the lungs through the conscious act of swallowing. Forcing food or drink down an unconcious person's throat would lead it into the lungs, which would probably kill them faster by drowning, rather than help them.

So no, this wouldn't work for food or drink to save starving people.

That being said, there may be some wiggle room for poison antedotes, assuming it was not in the form of a potion. A tablet or paste of some kind could feasibly be absorbed through the mucus membranes between the cheek and gum without killing the person, although it would be dangerous, as they may aspirate some of the paste. The safer route is putting the paste in the person's anus, as the membranes there are very absorbant. This is actually an accepted method of reviving an unconcious diabetic who needs glucose. We're not allowed to give it orally, due to the risk, and if we don't have a person able to give it via an IV, then you flip the person over, and give it anally. That person will be up and talking to you, wondering where the hell they are, in about a minute.

Sooo... if Ness wanted to code it so you could give poison antedotes (not bananas) to Mansa anally... I'd say it was a medically realistic option.

-S

> put tablet breed's anus

That feels great! Mansa is no longer poisoned.

[Gunnerblaster]

Wtf is a bint?

[Ourla]

Wtf is a bint?

"Bint is British slang for a woman or girl, but it is always disparaging and offensive and signals the user as lower class and unrefined. It's also now rather dated.

The word is Arabic for a daughter, specifically one who has yet to bear a child. It was in common use as a slang term during the first and second World Wars among British and Allied servicemen stationed in Egypt and neighbouring countries."

[Rhyden]

Sure, but it gets confusing after you have half-elves, half-breeds, breeds, male half-elves, female breeds and half-ears. Though, you could debate that there are a variety of half-elven mixtures. Perhaps a half-elf who was quarter-elf, three-quarters human could seem more like a half-elven male and a three-quarters elf, one-quarter human who could be more fitting as a 'breed'.

[Synthesis]

Sure, but it gets confusing after you have half-elves, half-breeds, breeds, male half-elves, female breeds and half-ears. Though, you could debate that there are a variety of half-elven mixtures. Perhaps a half-elf who was quarter-elf, three-quarters human could seem more like a half-elven male and a three-quarters elf, one-quarter human who could be more fitting as a 'breed'.

The voices in your head aren't reading the GDB, dude.

[Rhyden]

Hopefully yours are then.

[rishenko]

BREED FOR SDESCS in 2009!!! RAWR!

I got your back, brother.  Let's start a riot!

[Cutthroat]

I think we should either allow it entirely or disallow it entirely, because PCs with "breed" in the sdesc do slip into the game sometimes, and they're sometimes rejected. I lean towards allowing it because

When you have the epithet in your sdesc, it's an invitation for people to be nasty to you.  Sort of like saying, "Hey guys, I won't get butt-hurt (OOC) if you're mean to me."

[Riev]

I think it should only be half-elf, or breed, allowed. Half-breed and half-ear definitely sounds more like slang than the others.

Besides, saying "I don't know, it was that breed." is less slang, and more "You know who I'm talking about."



Breed is good. Anything being defined as half-a-breed is just ridic-uh-luss

[Marauder Moe]

"Breed" is slang, short for half-breed.  Sdescs are not the place for IC colloquialisms.

My vote goes for objectivity.

[deviant storm]

I'd like some consistency too. I've seen people with 'breed' in their sdesc. Just a few. That just leads others to try this as an option when they're apping a character and leads to some bruised feelings when some other imm rejects their app.

Either allow it, totally, or disallow it, totally. That's my opinion, anyway.

[PerpetualPatriot]

Can't use breed.. That's comical.. but not half-as comical in the fact I've seen 'energetic' accepted. Wow. Someone should have been fired for accepting that application. Can I use rambunctious half-giant next?! What a joke.

[jmordetsky]

I think it should only be half-elf, or breed, allowed. Half-breed and half-ear definitely sounds more like slang than the others.

Besides, saying "I don't know, it was that breed." is less slang, and more "You know who I'm talking about."



Breed is good. Anything being defined as half-a-breed is just ridic-uh-luss

Half-ear is pushing it. Half-breed seems reasonable.

[SMuz]

I've seen breed being used a bit too. Geez guys, it's just a word. There's no difference between "the short, wiry breed" and "the short, wiry half-elf"

[Ashes]

"Breed" is slang, short for half-breed.  Sdescs are not the place for IC colloquialisms.

My vote goes for objectivity.

I knew a man with agafari hair once.  It wasn't grey, no.  It was agafari.  We use plenty of IC terms in sdescs, slang or no.  I don't think there should be a ban on the word 'breed.'

Would seeing 'the skeletal, saw-toothed breed' really be all that jarring?

[Marauder Moe]

There is a difference between agafari and breed.

Agafari is the official, proper name of a (fictional)  plant.  It's not slang for anything or short for anything.

Breed is not an official or proper name of a race.  It's "half-elf".  In addition, as an English word, use of "breed" when referring to a single individual isn't grammatically correct.

[hyzhenhok]

Would seeing 'the skeletal, saw-toothed breed' really be all that jarring?

Not if it attacked me, and emoted eating my brains after knocking me unconscious.

[Medena]

I believe half-breed is allowed for sdescs, just not breed for the reasons Marauder Moe cited.

[Malken]

The man-of-mixed-racial-descent is here.

Exactly 31 characters. I win.

[Aesuna]

I guess I could see how it's like having the 'lanky, obsidian-eyed necker' or the 'tall, muscular kank-fucker' or something. Personally breed isn't too jarring for me, like stump for a dwarf isn't. And hey, there are a lot of words for humans and only a handful for half-elf, so I'd say give them a little slack every now and then.

[Mood]

half-elf = 8 characters
half-breed = 10 characters
breed = 5 characters

This is the main reason I think 'breed' should be allowed. Also, I think it's more aesthetically pleasing in sdescs than the other options.

[Fathi]

I'd like some consistency too. I've seen people with 'breed' in their sdesc. Just a few. That just leads others to try this as an option when they're apping a character and leads to some bruised feelings when some other imm rejects their app.

Either allow it, totally, or disallow it, totally. That's my opinion, anyway.

This. I've also seen "teenage girl" and "teenage boy" crop up from time to time, but had apps rejected when trying to use it, myself.

If the reason "girl" and "boy" are rejected is because they'd lead to a character being treated like a "child" and thus given an unfair advantage, why are the words still verboten if they have a modifier that clearly states the character isn't a kid?

Anyway, yeah, breed. Awesome. I support you, jmord.

[Mood]

I support you, jmord.

YOU HAVE MY SWORD.

[Agent_137]

since when is breed slang? I thought that was the official name. slang is more like shiteating-halfear. Though that's still rather accurate.

[Marauder Moe]

since when is breed slang? I thought that was the official name. slang is more like shiteating-halfear. Though that's still rather accurate.

Since when?  Since it was put in the English dictionary in this form:

breed     [breed]  Show IPA verb, bred, breed⋅ing, noun
–verb (used with object)
1.   to produce (offspring); procreate; engender.
2.   to produce by mating; propagate sexually; reproduce: Ten mice were bred in the laboratory.
3.   Horticulture.
a.   to cause to reproduce by controlled pollination.
b.   to improve by controlled pollination and selection.
4.   to raise (cattle, sheep, etc.): He breeds longhorns on the ranch.
5.   to cause or be the source of; engender; give rise to: Dirt breeds disease. Stagnant water breeds mosquitoes.
6.   to develop by training or education; bring up; rear: He was born and bred a gentleman.
7.   Energy. to produce more fissile nuclear fuel than is consumed in a reactor.
8.   to impregnate; mate: Breed a strong mare with a fast stallion and hope for a Derby winner.
–verb (used without object)
9.   to produce offspring: Many animals breed in the spring.
10.   to be engendered or produced; grow; develop: Bacteria will not breed in alcohol.
11.   to cause the birth of young, as in raising stock.
12.   to be pregnant.
–noun
13.   Genetics. a relatively homogenous group of animals within a species, developed and maintained by humans.
14.   lineage; stock; strain: She comes from a fine breed of people.
15.   sort; kind; group: Scholars are a quiet breed.
16.   Offensive. half-breed (def. 2).
Origin:
bef. 1000; ME breden, OE brēdan to nourish (c. OHG bruotan, G brüten); n. use from 16th century

Any other usage is slang.

If you want to go claiming it's an official Armageddon term then you'll have to cite some docs.

[Agent_137]

shiteating-halfear. Though that's still rather accurate.

^^ is meant to imply i was being tongue in cheek, insinuating how much i hate breeds, as if i was a character on zalanthas. it was also meant to express my thought that it should be OK in sdescs due to how common it is. Languages evolve, and there have been many other cases of player originated words that have made it into the official lexicon. (i just can't think of any right now. walk in his light, maybe?)

[Marauder Moe]

Where is this official lexicon?  The game documentation? 

Once again:

If you want to go claiming it's an official Armageddon term then you'll have to cite some docs.

[Agent_137]

lol, lexicon is whatever is in the docs plus what we make up that staff doesn't stomp on, at least, historically that's how it's been.

for instance, is 'walk in his light' not accepted as official northern parting statement? Do staff animated NPCs not use it? However, it's NOWHERE in the docs expect this single submission.

But there are many more samples of halfbreed and breed in the submissions. 5 for halfbreed, and a three more for just breed. One is even an official help file!

The documents are rarely updated and will never keep up with the new things the players create and the Imms are happy to see flourish. I think breed falls into this category, but if they want to say "no, not yet" then I could care less. I hate the abominations anyway.

[Marauder Moe]

lol, lexicon is whatever is in the docs plus what we make up that staff doesn't stomp on, at least, historically that's how it's been.

Seems to me the staff stomped on "breed".   

for instance, is 'walk in his light' not accepted as official northern parting statement? Do staff animated NPCs not use it? However, it's NOWHERE in the docs expect this single submission.

Staff animated NPCs don't use it in their descriptions, though.  No one is saying you can't say "breed" in game, just that you can't use it in your sdesc.

But there are many more samples of halfbreed and breed in the submissions. 5 for halfbreed, and a three more for just breed. One is even an official help file!

The documents are rarely updated and will never keep up with the new things the players create and the Imms are happy to see flourish. I think breed falls into this category, but if they want to say "no, not yet" then I could care less. I hate the abominations anyway.

Your links don't work for me, so I'm not sure what you're trying to point out.  It looks like you did a website search for the term "breed"?  If so, did it count hits for "half-breed"?  Or did it count hits in logs of IC speech?

[Eloran]

Seems to me the staff stomped on "breed".   

I wouldn't say that. There are characters in the game right now with 'breed' in their short description. If said characters merely slipped through the cracks and there was indeed a hardline against using 'breed', their descs would be changed for them. It's happened to me in the past, for sure.

[Agent_137]

for instance, is 'walk in his light' not accepted as official northern parting statement? Do staff animated NPCs not use it? However, it's NOWHERE in the docs expect this single submission.

Staff animated NPCs don't use it in their descriptions, though.  No one is saying you can't say "breed" in game, just that you can't use it in your sdesc.

I don't know their reasoning, so i don't care what they decide. I'm just pointing out that it's a common and accepted term for IG use. If they want to limit sdecs words to stuff found in help and in a dictionary for newbs, fine: exclude breed or add it to help. But if they want to limit it to common zalanthan terms that won't break immersion, then breed should be included.

But there are many more samples of halfbreed and breed in the submissions. 5 for halfbreed, and a three more for just breed. One is even an official help file!

Your links don't work for me, so I'm not sure what you're trying to point out.  It looks like you did a website search for the term "breed"?  If so, did it count hits for "half-breed"?  Or did it count hits in logs of IC speech?

links fixt.

[FantasyWriter]

–noun
13.   Genetics. a relatively homogenous group of animals within a species, developed and maintained by humans.
14.   lineage; stock; strain: She comes from a fine breed of people.
15.   sort; kind; group: Scholars are a quiet breed.
16.   Offensive. half-breed (def. 2).

[Marauder Moe]

–noun
13.   Genetics. a relatively homogenous group of animals within a species, developed and maintained by humans.
14.   lineage; stock; strain: She comes from a fine breed of people.
15.   sort; kind; group: Scholars are a quiet breed.
16.   Offensive. half-breed (def. 2).

[FantasyWriter]

I was just saying... According to the dictionary you quoted [breed=half-breed] not [breed=slang for halfbreed].

[Marauder Moe]

I'll admit that's a little damning.  However, my understanding is that it's there as a reference to "half-breed" in case someone went to that entry instead, rather than as a synonym.  In addition, the thesaurus on the same site does not link "breed" and "half-breed".

Lastly, though I can't find an official legend for definition types like "offensive", I believe all offensive uses of a word are also essentially slang usages.

[FantasyWriter]

I agree that it should remain banned, by the way.

[RogueGunslinger]

In any case, it should be either fully banned, or allowd. All it does now is cause players slike me to see one in game, and try to app one only and get rejected. Makes characters feel like they aren't as special as their peers.

[Marauder Moe]

It is fully banned: http://www.armageddon.org/general/words.html

If you see one, it's because a staffer messed up, not because they like that player more than they like you.

[RogueGunslinger]

How could you possibly know that??? Everyone knows I get the cool sdesc descriptions, like Breed, dickens-whelp, and manwhore. Yet no one else gets them.

Obvious proof of favoritism.

[Agent_137]

HAhahaha. Why is biped banned?? hahah.