Poll Closed: Default for cloaks being open or closed

[Morgenes]

I meant assess item, as in, in inventory or merchants inventory with view.

Not currently, if it becomes a major issue, we'll consider it.  For now, the description of the object should be enough to describe if it will cover things.  Basically anything that is described as being able to wrap around the entire body should count.

[Voular]

I am suddenly disturbed by all the NPCs not wearing any shirts found in the game. >_>

[staggerlee]

I am suddenly disturbed by all the NPCs not wearing any shirts found in the game. >_>

I like the code change, it's kind of snazzy.

This is valid though. I've always found it a bit odd that covered clothing doesn't show up at all in look, I as a player like being able to tell that the 'figure' is in fact wearing pants and a shirt beneath that cloak.  I'm not sure how to solve that, though listing larger empty inventory slots (pants, shirt, boots, hat) as <empty> would seem to work.

[Tlaloc]

I am suddenly disturbed by all the NPCs not wearing any shirts found in the game. >_>

I like the code change, it's kind of snazzy.

This is valid though. I've always found it a bit odd that covered clothing doesn't show up at all in look, I as a player like being able to tell that the 'figure' is in fact wearing pants and a shirt beneath that cloak.  I'm not sure how to solve that, though listing larger empty inventory slots (pants, shirt, boots, hat) as <empty> would seem to work.

It would be neat if cloaks could be flagged as "short", "average", "long", "very long", "sleeveless", etc. For example:

• Cloaks which are "short" would go down to the waist, and only cover shirts, but may show belts and sheathed weapons, and impart little or no delay while drawing when closed.
• Cloaks flagged "long" might cover everything up to and including your pants. Ankle-wear and boots would still be visible.
• "Very Long" cloaks/robes might cover everything including your boots, and would impart the longest delay while drawing while closed.
• "Sleeved" items might cover arm-gear, while "sleeveless" items always show arm-gear.

While it doesn't exactly solve your issue, Staggerlee, it might help some. If you see someone wearing a "short, hooded waistcoat" for example, but didn't see any pants, you might have a good reason to assume they really weren't wearing any pants.

[Morgenes]

I am suddenly disturbed by all the NPCs not wearing any shirts found in the game. >_>

I like the code change, it's kind of snazzy.

This is valid though. I've always found it a bit odd that covered clothing doesn't show up at all in look, I as a player like being able to tell that the 'figure' is in fact wearing pants and a shirt beneath that cloak.  I'm not sure how to solve that, though listing larger empty inventory slots (pants, shirt, boots, hat) as <empty> would seem to work.

It would be neat if cloaks could be flagged as "short", "average", "long", "very long", "sleeveless", etc. For example:

• Cloaks which are "short" would go down to the waist, and only cover shirts, but may show belts and sheathed weapons, and impart little or no delay while drawing when closed.
• Cloaks flagged "long" might cover everything up to and including your pants. Ankle-wear and boots would still be visible.
• "Very Long" cloaks/robes might cover everything including your boots, and would impart the longest delay while drawing while closed.
• "Sleeved" items might cover arm-gear, while "sleeveless" items always show arm-gear.

While it doesn't exactly solve your issue, Staggerlee, it might help some. If you see someone wearing a "short, hooded waistcoat" for example, but didn't see any pants, you might have a good reason to assume they really weren't wearing any pants.

Note that Tlaloc's suggestion here is how Arm 2's wear locations will work.  Staff can describe what an item covers and what it doesn't, covering over items that are below it.

[BlackMagic0]

I am suddenly disturbed by all the NPCs not wearing any shirts found in the game. >_>

Finally! I can make that flasher dwarf I wanted to! That runs around naked, flashing all is his objective! TO DISTURB THE MASSES! 

P.S. Morg, you are my hero. 

[Morrolan]

Is this currently in effect?  I have yet to be able to close or open a cloak that wasn't already an open/close container...and that has no effect on seeing inventory.  All that has happened is that now my cloaks don't cover anything.  Am I just buggy?

Morrolan

[Morgenes]

Is this currently in effect?  I have yet to be able to close or open a cloak that wasn't already an open/close container...and that has no effect on seeing inventory.  All that has happened is that now my cloaks don't cover anything.  Am I just buggy?

Morrolan

This is in effect.  Please bug the item and we will try and fix it ASAP.

[Morgenes]

This discussion made me finish my post about wearing items in Arm 2, see: http://www.zalanthas.org/blogs/brideofson/archives/001425.html for the latest.

[Dar]

Nice job, Morgenes. Thank you.



I always liked the layering system in other muds, it allowed for fun stuff to do. A pampered bard, who ..oooooh, wearing a chainmail underneath the silky dress?

Tugging the jacket aside, The masked figure reveals the militia black sash.

[Synthesis]

Heh. Now my equipment list is about 5 lines longer.

LONG LIVE THE EQUIPMENT SPAM.

[Medena]

Thanks Morgenes. I love this.  I can think of more than one of my past PC's who would have revelled in being able to show off the splendiferous gowns or blouses or belts she wore beneath a cloak.

I do have one quibble with the new code though --

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>close cloak
You feel too relaxed to do that.

[Morgenes]

I do have one quibble with the new code though --

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>close cloak
You feel too relaxed to do that.

Sorry, you have to be sitting to open/close things, lying down you just can't get positioning.

[brytta.leofa]

Sorry, you have to be sitting to open/close things, lying down you just can't get positioning.

But I have a specific use case for exactly this!

[a strange shadow]

Two requests:

1) waist wear and waist tattoo/scar location be moved in the equipment list, to just above the belt location.

why? it looks out of place and weird to have the 'waist' location show up after the belt, weapons, and cloak.

2) cloak pockets remain permanently open, and unaffected by open/close.

why? many coats/dusters/cloaks have pockets on the outside, and it makes little IC sense to 'open' your cloak to access an outside pocket.

[SMuz]

Code changes are so exciting

[Morgenes]

Two requests:

1) waist wear and waist tattoo/scar location be moved in the equipment list, to just above the belt location.

why? it looks out of place and weird to have the 'waist' location show up after the belt, weapons, and cloak.

I can see this one

2) cloak pockets remain permanently open, and unaffected by open/close.

why? many coats/dusters/cloaks have pockets on the outside, and it makes little IC sense to 'open' your cloak to access an outside pocket.

This directly conflicts with previous cloaks that could open/close their pockets.  It's actually a boon to you all as you are now all getting the 'closable' container idea on all cloaks.  Really, if you think about it, I don't think you really want me to do this, if you still think you do, start a poll and have the playerbase show me that it is what you want.

[FantasyWriter]

So all cloaks are "closeable" containers now?

[Dar]

One thing that I would've liked to see, is some 'other' benefits and penalties to having the cloak opened and closed. Because right now, the way I understand it, people will use their cloaks in exactly 'opposite' way then people would in real life.

A ranger in a longcloak leaves the city gates and unlutches his cloak open. Because .... he might need to draw in a hurry, and the chance of meeting thieves in the middle of the wild are slim.  Ofcourse, the wind, the sand, the dirt will have an easier time getting inside his garments, but ... oh well. That's not coded in.

A ranger in a longcloak enters the city. The first thing he does is tightens his cloak as shut as possible. Why? Because the delay to drawing isnt all that relevent, the crim code is in effect, and the city's full of thieves to nick his nifty weapons.

While irl, it would be exactly the opposite. Mainly because the cloak's 'main' function is cover from weather/sun/dust, not thieves.

[FantasyWriter]

One thing that I would've liked to see, is some 'other' benefits and penalties to having the cloak opened and closed. Because right now, the way I understand it, people will use their cloaks in exactly 'opposite' way then people would in real life.

A ranger in a longcloak leaves the city gates and unlutches his cloak open. Because .... he might need to draw in a hurry, and the chance of meeting thieves in the middle of the wild are slim.  Ofcourse, the wind, the sand, the dirt will have an easier time getting inside his garments, but ... oh well. That's not coded in.

A ranger in a longcloak enters the city. The first thing he does is tightens his cloak as shut as possible. Why? Because the delay to drawing isnt all that relevent, the crim code is in effect, and the city's full of thieves to nick his nifty weapons.

While irl, it would be exactly the opposite. Mainly because the cloak's 'main' function is cover from weather/sun/dust, not thieves.

Make the stamina bonuses for cloaks only work when they are closed?

[Dar]

That could work. Though the stamina boost isnt really 'great'. Not enough to warrant it 7/10 times. How about this ... everyone except rangers, drop 10 max stun when they enter the wilderness, but if they have a closed cloak, they dont. The rangers get their stun 'improved' by 10, in the wilderness, which is negated, should they choose to keep their cloak open.

Could make delves lose their max stun in the cities too .

[mansa]

>open cloak
You can't find a way to open <sdesc of cloak>.

I bugged it in game.  I couldn't open a cloak that I wasn't wearing, which was in my inventory.

[FantasyWriter]

That could work. Though the stamina boost isnt really 'great'.

It may not be great, but it cam mean the difference between life or death when you are running from something.

Also, the first things I do when I go out of doors:

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>Scan on
>Listen on
>Draw <weapon/s>

[SMuz]

One thing that I would've liked to see, is some 'other' benefits and penalties to having the cloak opened and closed. Because right now, the way I understand it, people will use their cloaks in exactly 'opposite' way then people would in real life.

A ranger in a longcloak leaves the city gates and unlutches his cloak open. Because .... he might need to draw in a hurry, and the chance of meeting thieves in the middle of the wild are slim.  Ofcourse, the wind, the sand, the dirt will have an easier time getting inside his garments, but ... oh well. That's not coded in.

A ranger in a longcloak enters the city. The first thing he does is tightens his cloak as shut as possible. Why? Because the delay to drawing isnt all that relevent, the crim code is in effect, and the city's full of thieves to nick his nifty weapons.

While irl, it would be exactly the opposite. Mainly because the cloak's 'main' function is cover from weather/sun/dust, not thieves.

Make the stamina bonuses for cloaks only work when they are closed?

Seconded. I'd like it so that cloaks offer a more significant 'stamina recovery' rate when closed too. Keeping the sun and sand away from you should help you recover a bit faster outside. So, a ranger resting out in the deserts would likely have his cloak closed, but leave it open when walking around, ready for action.

[FantasyWriter]

Keeping the sun and sand away from you should help you recover a bit faster outside. So, a ranger resting out in the deserts would likely have his cloak closed, but leave it open when walking around, ready for action.

Very well said. I agree.