Poll Closed: Default for cloaks being open or closed

[Delstro]

Wow. I failed. I even read that post. Let me change that one.

[FantasyWriter]

Wow. I failed. I even read that post. Let me change that one.

Meh, I was just pickin'.

The more I think about it the less I care what the default is as long as there is a helpfile made for it and put on the MOTD.

[Fathi]

There are some clothing items that use the 'flip' command already, so having it apply to cloaks as well might end up a little confusing.

'Use' seems to be the best solution, or having 'open/close cloak' changed to 'open/close pocket.'

[Morgenes]

On discussion on the staff side, we decided that the close-able container cloak is worth losing for leaving the simpler syntax (open/close).

Sorry to those of you this might inconvenience.

[Tisiphone]

On discussion on the staff side, we decided that the close-able container cloak is worth losing for leaving the simpler syntax (open/close).

Sorry to those of you this might inconvenience.

In that case, can the close/open behaviour of cloaks ALSO govern the closed/open status of their being containers? After all, if you have a pocket on the inside, 'tis much more difficult to get to when you've closed the cloak than when you haven't.

[Morgenes]

On discussion on the staff side, we decided that the close-able container cloak is worth losing for leaving the simpler syntax (open/close).

Sorry to those of you this might inconvenience.

In that case, can the close/open behaviour of cloaks ALSO govern the closed/open status of their being containers? After all, if you have a pocket on the inside, 'tis much more difficult to get to when you've closed the cloak than when you haven't.

That's fine with me.

[Winterless]

Moar-guiness... has anyone ever told you how absolutely awesome you are?

[RogueGunslinger]

Open... I think that's what I voted... Yeah open.

[FantasyWriter]

In that case, can the close/open behaviour of cloaks ALSO govern the closed/open status of their being containers? After all, if you have a pocket on the inside, 'tis much more difficult to get to when you've closed the cloak than when you haven't.

Great idea!

[musashi]

I went with I don't care ... about open and closed anyway. I LOVE the addition of this to the code though!! You rock Morgenes!!!

[manonfire]

Wanna re-implement sdesc-hiding masks while you're tinkering around?

[musashi]

Wanna re-implement sdesc-hiding masks while you're tinkering around?

Do you mean mdesc hiding masks? Because sdesc hiding ones are pretty common from what I've seen.

[manonfire]

Wanna re-implement sdesc-hiding masks while you're tinkering around?

Do you mean mdesc hiding masks? Because sdesc hiding ones are pretty common from what I've seen.

Yup, I do.

[Reiloth]

Wanna re-implement sdesc-hiding masks while you're tinkering around?

[Clearsighted]

I will close this poll in 24 hours as I want to get this finished.

I am working on allowing cloaks to be open or closed to allow you to show what's underneath them.  This will also impart a slight additional delay to draw/sheath if you leave your cloak closed.

If you consider what is in the game today, the current behavior acts as if everyone's cloaks are closed (you can't see the person's belt or what's on it).

In adding this, one way or the other needs to be the default.  In my mind I can see both answers.  Having it default to open seems more likely how you'd put on a cloak, the problem is to get today's behavior that everyone is used to, you have to do two commands, 'wear cloak; close cloak'.  Having it default to close is the current standard behavior of cloaks, yet it will force you to open it to draw your weapons without delay.

On a related tangent, this code change will also add command emotes to the open and close commands.

Some articles of clothing such as 'bandoliers' should be permanently open.

Also. This is an awesome addition.

[Voular]

Morgenes is awesome.

Open, though. I've never struggled into a coat or jacket that was closed.

[palomar]

I really like the idea and would prefer if cloaks defaulted to open. If some cloaks are to be considered permanently closed (various kinds of robes, tabards, djellabahs, bishts and whatnot), please consider making it possible to wear belts/sashes on top of them. It would realistically allow for easy access to items on the belt and cover the breastplate of doom that you wear underneath the cloak.

[Gagula]

closed....I've gotten into jackets that were closed before (albeit that some were bigger than me, but most weren't).  That and the fact that if I were going to wear a cloak to begin with, it'd probably be to conceal that i'm hiding my weapons and a breastplate of doom as Palomar put it....or the fact that I'm not wear anything, but look mean. 

[Gagula]

Oh, just thought of another thing, can you add a code to tell about how long the cloak is (ankles, waist, barely covering the shoulders)?  Maybe this is already out there, and It's just too obvious for me to notice.

[Morgenes]

Going ahead and closing off voting, it seems there is a pretty decisive choice from you guys, thanks for your input.

As to your other questions:

Some articles of clothing such as 'bandoleers' should be permanently open.

This will be going in with this, however note that not all cloaks are set up properly.  We've tried to go through and find them all, but if you find a cloak that you think should be open-able/close-able but isn't, please bug it so we can fix it, thanks.

Wanna re-implement [M]desc-hiding masks while you're tinkering around?

Not really, no

...If some cloaks are to be considered permanently closed (various kinds of robes, tabards, djellabahs, bishts and whatnot), please consider making it possible to wear belts/sashes on top of them. It would realistically allow for easy access to items on the belt and cover the breastplate of doom that you wear underneath the cloak.

I think this is why I won't be doing the 'permanently closed' idea.  There's no good way to do layering easily in Arm 1, so things like this will need to be handled in Arm 2, sorry folks.

[musashi]

I think AmandaGreathouse just had her filthy way with your code and crashed the mud Morgnese 

[AmandaGreathouse]

l self with cloak is now bitchin. thanks! (once I get to hang out a few minutes. I think I'll wait about 15 more minutes before I try to log in again, this time... it wasn't me!)

[X-D]

I'm pretty sure it was not me at least.

But, I do have a question for morg now.

Will open/close show up on assess of the item?

And If you think a cloak should be able to open or close but does not, just bug it IG? (edit) Oops, ignore this one, I read the post above.

[Morgenes]

Sorry about the crashes, it was due to a 'fix' to messages shown when opening doors (I did some general cleanup on open/close while I was in there) that caused it.  It's fixed now.

Will open/close show up on assess of the item?

No, if you can see their belt or things on it, then it's open, if not it's likely closed.

I'll think more about this I'm not sure if it's necessary.

I chose not to include the 'open' or 'closed' descriptor on cloaks since they're used in short descriptions for hoods (the open hooded red sancloth cloaked figure...etc...)

[X-D]

I meant assess item, as in, in inventory or merchants inventory with view.