Discussion of apartment re-keying

[Vanth]

This is where to discuss my announcement about keys changing.

[Taven]

I really like this. I think it's nice, and realistic, too.

Time to start renewing your collections, guys.

[Tisiphone]

So far, the idea sounds pretty awesome. Nenyuk re-keys their apartments every once in a while - at least the nicer ones.

Two things to look into:

1) Master keys. Perhaps there are keys that will work on apartments no matter how many times the lock is re-keyed. Maybe Nenyuk keeps these for their own use, or hands them to templars/nobles for whatever reason

2) Frequency of re-keying. Perhaps Nenyuk doesn't bother to re-key their low-rent apartments but once every two years, whereas the high-end ones get a new lock every month.

Finally, there should be some way for current renters to virtually get their new keys, if they're stuck inside the apartment.

[Delstro]

I definately like the ideas of templars getting master keys.

[Ammut]

It makes sense that apartment complexes would take this precaution.  If a landlord doesn't receive a key back from a renter IRL they usually replace the lock, sometimes even if they do receive the key back.

[Reiloth]

I definately like the ideas of templars getting master keys.

[Vanth]

2) Frequency of re-keying. Perhaps Nenyuk doesn't bother to re-key their low-rent apartments but once every two years, whereas the high-end ones get a new lock every month.

This probably won't ever be done more often than 2-3 times per RL year because it's a pain in the ass.

However, staff are tossing around some ideas for other ways to make key collections less useful.

[Archbaron]

Beautiful.

[My 2 sids]

Don't some items in game have a set "use by" date?   Is there any way to do that to keys?    That way all the Imms have to do is "reset" the landlord's keys  and  people who take up collections will eventually find nothing but dust on their keyring.

[Ourla]

I definately like the ideas of templars getting master keys.

[X-D]

To be honest, I don't see why you don't just put a timer on them so they just degrade over time. Apartment keys would not be master crafts anyway. Nenyuk would have to be constantly having them made so they would pick cheap materials and craftsmen. The keys don't degrade when given back to the manager because he/she tucks them into a drawer or pegboard rather then leaving them jostle about in a pack/pocket get buried in the bottem of somebodies chest with a few rocks and shells on top of it. Have the script simply run out after a short time, somewhere between 10 and 24  rl hours, course script stops while person is logged out with key on them. Problem solved and something you need do only once, unlike rekeying the apartments a few times a year.

[Delstro]

Most of them are made out of sandstone anyway, last I checked.
Sandstone is not exactly damage proof.

[Clearsighted]

I definately like the ideas of templars getting master keys.

I don't.

[Cerelum]

I definately like the ideas of templars getting master keys.

I don't.

NEWSFLASH:  Templars rule the cities, they ALLOW the landlord to own and operate that building.  You honestly think the landlord wouldn't give anything the Templars asked of him?  What's he gonna say, "No way Chosen Lord/Lord Templar, I'm not giving you my key."

JaRoD

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

I definately like the ideas of templars getting master keys.

I don't.

Templars don't need master keys. They come in and break down the door, or some other method. No master keys.

I also say that apartment keys could degrade. Nothing wrong with that.

[Gimfalisette]

I definately like the ideas of templars getting master keys.

I don't.

NEWSFLASH:  Templars rule the cities, they ALLOW the landlord to own and operate that building.  You honestly think the landlord wouldn't give anything the Templars asked of him?  What's he gonna say, "No way Chosen Lord/Lord Templar, I'm not giving you my key."

JaRoD

This is what the "wish all" command is for. Templars do not need sets of master keys. That's just asking for twinkery to happen.

[Salt Merchant]

NEWSFLASH:  Templars rule the cities, they ALLOW the landlord to own and operate that building.  You honestly think the landlord wouldn't give anything the Templars asked of him?  What's he gonna say, "No way Chosen Lord/Lord Templar, I'm not giving you my key."

JaRoD

I'd say that, in practical terms, the law has enough of an upper hand in the cities without having templars periodically scour apartments and busting Amos X for having one sad smoke in his crappy room.

Not to mention appropriating anything of interest (i.e. unique) or value (commoners undeserving). Burglars wouldn't even have a chance with the new set of "thieves".

[Tisiphone]

I'm on the fence. On the one hand, templars can get into apartments anyway. On the other, half the time, 'tis too late by the time they can, because the mark has logged out/left/teleported like the filthy magicker he is.

[brytta.leofa]

Templars do have half-giants for that.  But having a minion periodicaly snoop through apartments might be... well, that's what burglars are for, I s'pose.

[Delstro]

Seriously. That's petty. Very petty for a templar to go through everyone's room.

I trust the templars. Every one of them.

I like the idea.

[Tisiphone]

Seriously. That's petty. Very petty for a templar to go through everyone's room.

I trust the templars. Every one of them.

I like the idea.

Besides, if they were going to go through everyone's rooms, they'd just do it anyway.

[Synthesis]

Seriously. That's petty. Very petty for a templar to go through everyone's room.

I trust the templars. Every one of them.

I like the idea.

It's not about the templars going through everybody's room.

It's about pickpockets getting ahold of that master key when the templar forgets to close his pack.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

No.

It's about both, for me.

No master key if you are not a Nenyuk.

[Salt Merchant]

Seriously. That's petty. Very petty for a templar to go through everyone's room.

I trust the templars. Every one of them.

I like the idea.

Besides, if they were going to go through everyone's rooms, they'd just do it anyway.

No, they wouldn't, because doing so currently requires staff support, and I can't see the staff hovering around for all the time it would take as the templar enters each apartment in turn for no better reason than to just have a casual look.

EDIT: Or even approving of the templar doing so for that matter.

[Melody]

Seriously. That's petty. Very petty for a templar to go through everyone's room.

I trust the templars. Every one of them.

I like the idea.

Besides, if they were going to go through everyone's rooms, they'd just do it anyway.

No, they wouldn't, because doing so currently requires staff support, and I can't see the staff hovering around for all the time it would take as the templar enters each apartment in turn for no better reason than to just have a casual look.

If it is just for a casual look, then the templar should not have entered it. Why would templars stoop so low as to look over every dirty, filthy commoner's apartment? (maybe it is a fetish)

Vote for no master key unless it is a Nenyuki!

After all, Nenyuk is decidedly neutral in politics. Imagine being caught between two templars! If one templar wants to check the apartment that another templar rented out for his aide/servant/guards and another templar finds out....