The Sun King's Sanctuary/Other taverns vs. Society

[Desertman]

I just learned I am blamed for single-handedly emptying out the Sanctuary of Bynners, halfbreeds, and other dung sweepers who cant even afford a drink there.

I am filled with a bit of pride, and a bit of sadness, but mostly just pride.

(True or not, at least someone is blaming me for it. Thats more glorious than anything I could have hoped for.     )

[tortall]

It's ok. We love you anyway... Well, not really. :-D

[Qzzrbl]

It's ok. We love you anyway... Well, not really. :-D

Your post count is too low for your input on such a matter. 

<3 D-Man.

[Desertman]

It's ok. We love you anyway... Well, not really. :-D

Your post count is too low for your input on such a matter. 

<3 D-Man.

It makes perfect sense really. I have to grow on people slowly, like a rancid festering life-draining mold. But eventually, I grow on them.

[tortall]

Your post count is too low for your input on such a matter.

Pft, I've been playing since 2001. Most of my ramblings were done in IRC back when it was popular.

[Qzzrbl]

Your post count is too low for your input on such a matter.

Pft, I've been playing since 2001. Most of my ramblings were done in IRC back when it was popular.

Fair enough.

[Desertman]

Your post count is too low for your input on such a matter.

Pft, I've been playing since 2001. Most of my ramblings were done in IRC back when it was popular.

Keep in mind the recent 4 year break. 

[tortall]

Keep in mind the recent 4 year break.

Shhhhh, don't let them know that. ;-)

Still, 4 years of playing time and rambling on IRC should be worth a good ammount, right?

But yes. The Sanctuary. The topic. The Tooth is nifty. Someone should do something big there.

[mansa]

It's ok. We love you anyway... Well, not really. :-D

Your post count is too low for your input on such a matter. 

<3 D-Man.

BACK OFF MAN, SHE'S A 21ster!

[tortall]

BACK OFF MAN, SHE'S A 21ster!

I should know what that is.... Right?

Edit: Yes,  totally know what that is! I'm only 2 hours behind mansa. WOO ME..... And I'm at the top of the second page! Mansa is just full of useful information.

[Desertman]

Keep in mind the recent 4 year break.

Shhhhh, don't let them know that. ;-)

Still, 4 years of playing time and rambling on IRC should be worth a good ammount, right?

But yes. The Sanctuary. The topic. The Tooth is nifty. Someone should do something big there.

Were you around for the ginka sauce wrestling there?

It was epic. I highly recommend another one.

[tortall]

I wasn't! I wish I had seen that.

I am sure it was completly inapproprate though.

~scrunches up her face~ I need on auto spell checker. ~heart zmud~

[Desertman]

I just want to clarify.

My goal here was not to empty out the Sanctuary so the upper-crest citizens wouldnt have anyone to play with.

That was not my intention.

I just personally think that lower income individuals should stick to lower income taverns.

If the Nobles want to make the decision to tolerate the commoner stench for a while to go and do business in some of the more populated but lower income taverns, then that is their choice and their right as Nobles.

I dont want to see Nobles FORCED to put up with lower income commoners stinking up thier lovely Sanctuary while they try to enjoy their wine. If the Nobles feel like tolerating the commoners for a bit and doing business with them, they can make the decision as Nobles to visit those commoner taverns, or to invite specific commoners to the Sanctuary.

I just dont like to see the Nobility forced to tolerate some stinky commoner looming over their expensive meal and fine wine if they dont feel like tolerating that. Most Nobles are too subtle to force a commoner to get the fuck out. Thats what Tuluk's about right? Being subtle and having political veneer?

So, I was just asking the player's of lower-income commoners to take a bit of responsibility and realize most of their characters would/should probably feel uncomfortable hanging out in the ritzy Sanctuary.

Let it be the Noble's/Wealthy Commoner's decision instead of the Low-End DungSweeper/Hunter Commoner's decision.

[a strange shadow]

Quite frankly, I'm not sure anybody gave a shit.

Noble effort and all, but I remain skeptical that it was even needed.

[Desertman]

Quite frankly, I'm not sure anybody gave a shit.

Noble effort and all, but I remain skeptical that it was even needed.

I know for a fact one person did, so you can be sure that one person did indeed, give a shit, quiet frankly.

[a strange shadow]

Sorry, I forgot to include you in my consideration, there.

Quite frankly.

[Desertman]

Sorry, I forgot to include you in my consideration, there.

Quite frankly.

Though I'm not the person I was talking about, I completely understand considering the source, and your appology is accepted.

[WarriorPoet]

I'll apologize, too.

To be honest, the Sanctuary is one of the largest problems I've always had with Tuluk. The low-class taverns are usually empty because it's considered unremarkable to see a smelly, leather-clad hunter with a gut-knife in his belt and a pack full of uncured hides sitting at the big fancy bar, three feet from the silk-swaddled noble drinking the 500 sid a bottle wine. That is subtly shitty to me, as it robbed the city of that particular class distinction and it always made me feel like the grubby, opressed commoner class in Tuluk didn't exist.

-WP prefers the Gaj, anyway.

[Kiri]

I'll apologize, too.

To be honest, the Sanctuary is one of the largest problems I've always had with Tuluk. The low-class taverns are usually empty because it's considered unremarkable to see a smelly, leather-clad hunter with a gut-knife in his belt and a pack full of uncured hides sitting at the big fancy bar, three feet from the silk-swaddled noble drinking the 500 sid a bottle wine. That is subtly shitty to me, as it robbed the city of that particular class distinction and it always made me feel like the grubby, opressed commoner class in Tuluk didn't exist.

-WP prefers the Gaj, anyway.

Very few of the nobles in Tuluk are "silk-swaddled." In fact, it's not unusual to encounter some of them also in sweaty armor, brushing dust and sand from themselves after a patrol.  Their armor might be a lot nicer, but it's still armor. Nor is most of the wine that expensive. In fact, a glass of wine in the Sanctuary is cheaper than a shot of whiskey in other places.  I think this is a basic flaw in most people's thinking. In Tuluk it's not so much about what you look like or what you wear. It's how you present yourself and how interesting your conversation is, and how much you contribute.

[Is Friday]

It's ok. We love you anyway... Well, not really. :-D

Your post count is too low for your input on such a matter. 

<3 D-Man.

I don't think spamming up the boards qualifies you as wise or sage-like, or validates an opinion.

[Yam]

I'll apologize, too.

To be honest, the Sanctuary is one of the largest problems I've always had with Tuluk. The low-class taverns are usually empty because it's considered unremarkable to see a smelly, leather-clad hunter with a gut-knife in his belt and a pack full of uncured hides sitting at the big fancy bar, three feet from the silk-swaddled noble drinking the 500 sid a bottle wine. That is subtly shitty to me, as it robbed the city of that particular class distinction and it always made me feel like the grubby, opressed commoner class in Tuluk didn't exist.

-WP prefers the Gaj, anyway.

Very few of the nobles in Tuluk are "silk-swaddled." In fact, it's not unusual to encounter some of them also in sweaty armor, brushing dust and sand from themselves after a patrol.  Their armor might be a lot nicer, but it's still armor. Nor is most of the wine that expensive. In fact, a glass of wine in the Sanctuary is cheaper than a shot of whiskey in other places.  I think this is a basic flaw in most people's thinking. In Tuluk it's not so much about what you look like or what you wear. It's how you present yourself and how interesting your conversation is, and how much you contribute.

This should be considered.

[musashi]

I think the basic mode of thought for people is that they read the room description of the Sanc, see that it looks very posh, and assume that only people equally posh need to be in there, and those that aren't stand out in a bad way.

How correct or incorrect that mode of thinking is, I can't say; but I think the root of the conception comes from the way the Sanctuary is described.

[Desertman]

I think the basic mode of thought for people is that they read the room description of the Sanc, see that it looks very posh, and assume that only people equally posh need to be in there, and those that aren't stand out in a bad way.

How correct or incorrect that mode of thinking is, I can't say; but I think the root of the conception comes from the way the Sanctuary is described.

It has always made perfect sense to me to walk into a five star restaurant wearing cut-off blue-jean shorts, flip-flops, and a wife beater with holes in it. Of course, I always make sure my garb is clear of dust/sweat/blood tags before I go in, and they seat me every time.

/sarcasm

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

Dude, drop it. The Staff has already spoken, and laid out guidelines.

[Desertman]

I am oppressed.