Bribery

[Sokotra]

Be the change you want to see! Lobby the Allanaki Senate to pass a resolution setting maximum fines for each type of crime.

Now that's just silly.

[ale six]

... and so is complaining on the GDB about templars being mean.

[Mood]

... and so is complaining on the GDB about templars being mean.

Sky five.

[Malken]

... and so is complaining on the GDB about templars being mean.

But it feels so good!

Don't you like feeling good? 

[Sokotra]

... and so is complaining on the GDB about templars being mean.

I wasn't complaining, I don't know about the other person... but I was just pointing out a certain inconsistency with how things work and how they are supposed to work.  *shrug* 

[Tisiphone]

Thing is, petty crime should never GET to a templar. A small would be plenty enough for the soldier turning you in, but if you've caught a templar's attention for picking pockets, you should expect him to be annoyed.

Now, I understand NPC soldiers don't really give you that choice, so there'd be some playability leeway, but I really think one of the best solutions aside from an overhaul of the crim-code system (derail alert!) would be to give soldiers access to the prisons.

[brytta.leofa]

Now, I understand NPC soldiers don't really give you that choice, so there'd be some playability leeway, but I really think one of the best solutions aside from an overhaul of the crim-code system (derail alert!) would be to give soldiers access to the prisons.

This does seem to happen, but not at the Private level.

[Yam]

Bribable NPCs ala Elder Scrolls.

[Vessol]

Bribable NPCs ala Elder Scrolls.

Only if I can have four choices of things to say to them to either piss them or make them love me.

[Yam]

Bribable NPCs ala Elder Scrolls.

Only if I can have four choices of things to say to them to either piss them or make them love me.

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[Vessol]

Bribable NPCs ala Elder Scrolls.

Only if I can have four choices of things to say to them to either piss them or make them love me.

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In the game you can bribe or use persuasion, I'm too lazy to go look for a screenshot. And I was being sarcastic as well.

[a strange shadow]

The value of money does seem to be suffering from inflation... or at least, the documented value doesn't line up well with what's viable and practical when dealing with in-game politics.

[Malken]

The value of money does seem to be suffering from inflation... or at least, the documented value doesn't line up well with what's viable and practical when dealing with in-game politics.

Some people, like spawnloser, plays like they always did, and 'per the docs', in a way, which is all good, but many play like they realize that people now are much more aware how to make quick money, and that those players have been
telling their friends who have been telling their friends who have been telling their friends for the last 10 years.

So it's hard to know if you'll bump into an ol' school Templar who thinks that your 100 sid bribe is all that and a new school Templar who's been playing a dwarf mining obsidian for his last six characters that will laugh and toss your 500 sid in your face.

Wondering if you're facing an ol' school Templar or a new school Templar is a mini-game all in itself!

[BlackMagic0]

The value of money does seem to be suffering from inflation... or at least, the documented value doesn't line up well with what's viable and practical when dealing with in-game politics.

Some people, like spawnloser, plays like they always did, and 'per the docs', in a way, which is all good, but many play like they realize that people now are much more aware how to make quick money, and that those players have been
telling their friends who have been telling their friends who have been telling their friends for the last 10 years.

So it's hard to know if you'll bump into an ol' school Templar who thinks that your 100 sid bribe is all that and a new school Templar who's been playing a dwarf mining obsidian for his last six characters that will laugh and toss your 500 sid in your face.

Wondering if you're facing an ol' school Templar or a new school Templar is a mini-game all in itself!

Problem is, Not -everyone- knows these uber sekrits to making the 'sid you want constantly. And some people like to keep with the poor side of the commoners life, it makes role playing funnier for some, and not have thousands of 'sid in their back pocket.  Just a random cookie-of-thought for you to nibble. And milk.

[Malken]

The value of money does seem to be suffering from inflation... or at least, the documented value doesn't line up well with what's viable and practical when dealing with in-game politics.

Some people, like spawnloser, plays like they always did, and 'per the docs', in a way, which is all good, but many play like they realize that people now are much more aware how to make quick money, and that those players have been
telling their friends who have been telling their friends who have been telling their friends for the last 10 years.

So it's hard to know if you'll bump into an ol' school Templar who thinks that your 100 sid bribe is all that and a new school Templar who's been playing a dwarf mining obsidian for his last six characters that will laugh and toss your 500 sid in your face.

Wondering if you're facing an ol' school Templar or a new school Templar is a mini-game all in itself!

Problem is, Not -everyone- knows these uber sekrits to making the 'sid you want constantly. And some people like to keep with the poor side of the commoners life, it makes role playing funnier for some, and not have thousands of 'sid in their back pocket.  Just a random cookie-of-thought for you to nibble. And milk.

Well, I agree, and I'm quite happy to still have people who enjoys being poor and 'rinthis. I was just saying that it's hard to come to a compromise when someone makes a fortune a day and the other is happy with a chunk of rat meat and grey water a day.

When the two clashes, it's sad that the fortune guy often wins it out.

[staggerlee]

I've never had a problem dropping bribes in game that were under a hundred sid.  It's easy money for the person receiving the bribe, especially if you're respectful and they don't think they'll be having any trouble from you.  I tend to take the approach of bribing pre-emptively or after the fact to smooth things over in the future though, if you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar it's going to be a hard sell.  Especially since once someone does have you under their power they can just take the sid from you, at which point it's much too late for bribes.  Also remember that if you've endeared yourself to a clan, they might be paying a few sid here and there to keep other organizations off your back.

[Fathi]

One reason a templar might throw a 100 'sid bribe back in your face is if you LOOK like you have access to a whole lot more. It might not be that a templar wants more than 100 coins, but that they want a bribe proportional to your character's income and social stature.

If you're wearing a full suit of Kuraci desert gear, have top of the line weapons from Salarr that don't spawn in normal stores, carrying a good bow with a full quiver of arrows, and have a nice mount on top of it all... and then you try to bribe my templar with 100 'sid, there's a good chance I'd toss it back in your face, too.

Not because I'm choosing OOCly to ignore the docs, but because my character has noticed that your character is in possession of several thousand coins' worth of items, so a 100 coin bribe wouldn't be seen as a very significant gesture. If you're trying to make an impression on my templar to ignore your crimes and they get the impression you're tossing them pocket change, they might get a little offended.

Sure, you may have saved up for years for that Kurac stuff, those may be your only weapons, that may be your only inix... but regardless, it looks like you've got access to far more than 100 coins.

[Tisiphone]

Tangential, generating from Fathi's point, is that it might work better to promise to get something that can't be taken from you while you're in custody - whether that be quite a bit more coin, performing some task you're uniquely suited for, spying, etc...not only does that, upon acceptance, necessitate your freedom, but it also spawns more interaction, conflict, and plots.

[Bebop]

I would say use your own discretion.

Bribery requires eloquence, tact and sometimes subtly - oh and of course money.  This is something that varies with each circumstances.  I will say that Ourla is offering some damned sound advice.  Also, I would say be mindful of the amount for various reasons.  To small and the "gift" may become an insult, to "much" and some eyebrows might be raised or more might be expected from you in the future.  However, if you are trying to give the impression you are wealthy and wish to be treated this way, a large, large sum is the only way to go.  But like I said, each circumstance varies.  I don't think this is something the docs can really cover appropriately as it will vary so much on individual and circumstance.

[Zoan]

I reckon less could be taken by soldiers if EVERYONE wasn't working for/protected by Lord Hardnose and went and whined to said noble if/when the big bad militiaman shook them down for coin. The only marks a soldier has is the random newbie grebber who just happens to not be working for anyone at the time.

[Tisiphone]

I reckon less could be taken by soldiers if EVERYONE wasn't working for/protected by Lord Hardnose and went and whined to said noble if/when the big bad militiaman shook them down for coin. The only marks a soldier has is the random newbie grebber who just happens to not be working for anyone at the time.

This can actually make it fun when you're the favourite Sergeant of Lord Templar Hardnose, and Lord Hardnose tries to get into a snit with him.

However, I see your point. People just need to be made to understand that being a noble's aide doesn't mean protection from the soldiers. It should mean that you have enough money/influence to bribe said soldiers beforehand.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

Err, doesn't it, though, if said Hardnose is really a hardnose? Being a servant of certian Nobles should really make things safer for you, I would think. At the very least, smaller bribes required or something. Because if that Noble can hang you up by your toes, you probably should leave her and his toes alone, I'd think. Being a soldier doesn't make you immune either.

[Zoan]

Not saying soldiers should be allowed to abuse noble servants. But 80% of people in a city serve nobles either directly, or indirectly and can still kick up a fuss to their benefactor if they get bullied about by the local authorities.

[number13]

It should mean that you have enough money/influence to bribe said soldiers beforehand.

Pffft. Only grebbers, rinthi scavengers, and independent merchants have that kind of money.

To make the point crystal clear: My rinthi scum/grebber characters could easily bribe templars/soldiers/ganglords.  A few of those characters did so with some regularity.  My employed characters generally do not enjoy the luxury of being able to bribe with more than a few drinks -- and then only via forgoing other reasonable purchases.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

People who serve nobles indirectly should not be treated as noble servants. Just because they do favors now and then for that noble does not mean that that noble is even aware of their existance for more than a moment a day. And obviously, if they are serving indirectly, they are not valuable enough to employ, too valuable to employ, or too embarrassing to employ. After you find out which, put a boot right up their asses if you like, as long as you can live with what might happen based on their status.