Limiting Magickers

[Desertman]

Deleted. This was not a debate thread, I will not see it become one.

[jhunter]

I don't really have anything to add because I don't feel personally that they need to be limited. If someone were to limit me on the times I could play any guild magickal or mundane, I'd just quit the game honestly. People want to play what they want to play. It's a game, and people play to have fun. I don't feel that your suggestion is the right solution. I think that something more creative could be done to alleviate the perceived issue. I also don't feel at this point that the problem is with all magickers in general, I'm more inclined to believe that it's a problem with specific ones that are easily capable of killing other pcs. All magickers are taking the blame and getting lumped together. Sorry for the derail, I'm done now.

[Desertman]

I don't really have anything to add because I don't feel personally that they need to be limited.

If someone were to limit me on the times I could play any guild magickal or mundane, I'd just quit the game honestly. People want to play what they want to play. It's a game, and people play to have fun. I don't feel that your suggestion is the right solution. I think that something more creative could be done to alleviate the perceived issue. I also don't feel at this point that the problem is with all magickers in general, I'm more inclined to believe that it's a problem with specific ones that are easily capable of killing other pcs. All magickers are taking the blame and getting lumped together. Sorry for the derail, I'm done now.

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[FiveDisgruntledMonkeysWit]

I agree with jhunter.
Also, I think I need to stop reading the GDB for a while...

[Desertman]

I agree with jhunter.
Also, I think I need to stop reading the GDB for a while...

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[spawnloser]

I saw we limit them only in restricting who gets to play them.

Seriously, you can't say "This thread isn't for discussing if they should be, only for discussing how they should."  You ask everyone to accept your premise, that they need to be limited, as truth.  Too many people disagree with you.  This will just turn into another, "I hate magickers!  I love magickers!  People shouldn't be allowed to play so many magickers!  etc etc etc" thread.

Also, note what has been said by staff numerous times, "It is a matter of perception."  One recently said that before coming on staff, s/he agreed with your premise... but doesn't any more after getting to see what you don't see.  You're trying to start a discussion with flawed information from the beginning.

I hope this thread gets SIDS overnight.

[Desertman]

I saw we limit them only in restricting who gets to play them.

Seriously, you can't say "This thread isn't for discussing if they should be, only for discussing how they should."  You ask everyone to accept your premise, that they need to be limited, as truth.  Too many people disagree with you.  This will just turn into another, "I hate magickers!  I love magickers!  People shouldn't be allowed to play so many magickers!  etc etc etc" thread.

Also, note what has been said by staff numerous times, "It is a matter of perception."  One recently said that before coming on staff, s/he agreed with your premise... but doesn't any more after getting to see what you don't see.  You're trying to start a discussion with flawed information from the beginning.

I hope this thread gets SIDS overnight.

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[spawnloser]

I saw those comments.  I disregarded them just like you did the staff saying that there isn't a problem with magickers.

Thank you for being just as polite as I am being.

[Desertman]

I saw those comments.  I disregarded them just like you did the staff saying that there isn't a problem with magickers.

Thank you for being just as polite as I am being.

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[ale six]

No thx

[Desertman]

No thx

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[ale six]

omg stop spamming

[Desertman]

omg stop spamming

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[Jenred]

Disagree.

A fraction of vocal GDB posters does not equate to "a large portion of the playerbase". Most of these threads have the same view people arguing back and forth, with very little outside input.

[Qzzrbl]

Though I agree with this thread whole-heartedly, I can't say I have much to add. This is a low-magick game, but I've found it all but impossible to avoid the stuff.

Sure it may be a "matter of perception", that there are however many NPC and VNPCS magickers out there. I think if you wanted to make magick truly a rare and terrible thing, get rid of all those NPC and VNPC magickers. If there were only a handful of non-mundanes in the world, you could make them as powerful as you'd want. Hell, they could have "one-cast-kill" spell of doom or the "uber-mind-scrambler-of-certain-demise"  in their starting skill list for all I care. Just so long as they'd be really rare, like the docs say they should be.

[Qzzrbl]

Magick is a mysterious and very rare power on Zalanthas, about which the general public knows very little, and generally fears and hates a great deal. While magickers are tolerated in some places, they are generally feared and distrusted by the vast majority of the population of Zalanthas.

I came into the game thinking this right here. ^ ^ ^ ^

But uh... I've soon learned that this is just not so.

:Edit: Maybe they should just change the documentation to fit properly?

[Lord of Charas]

@OP

Well bring back the conclave then. See. Once you get them hyper-iso again, then they will be much rarer I feel.

The people who want to fill magicker-roles the most -are- often newbs who have just never gotten the chance to play a magicker before, yet are also keenly aware that the game will soon end. And because of that they just become so much more eager & aggressive in applying for one.

[Jenred]

Magick is a mysterious and very rare power on Zalanthas, about which the general public knows very little, and generally fears and hates a great deal. While magickers are tolerated in some places, they are generally feared and distrusted by the vast majority of the population of Zalanthas.

I came into the game thinking this right here. ^ ^ ^ ^

But uh... I've soon learned that this is just not so.

:Edit: Maybe they should just change the documentation to fit properly?

No... players should just start playing ICly and disregarding their OOC knowledge of magick on their other characters. And nowhere in that quote does it say that "Magicker PCs are very rare" its saying as a whole, in the entire real/virtual world of Zalanthas, magick is rare, and its true. Its also distrusted, by players who play correctly.

Its more a player thing. Players need to start playing correctly.

[Qzzrbl]

Magick is a mysterious and very rare power on Zalanthas, about which the general public knows very little, and generally fears and hates a great deal. While magickers are tolerated in some places, they are generally feared and distrusted by the vast majority of the population of Zalanthas.

I came into the game thinking this right here. ^ ^ ^ ^

But uh... I've soon learned that this is just not so.

:Edit: Maybe they should just change the documentation to fit properly?

No... players should just start playing ICly and disregarding their OOC knowledge of magick on their other characters. And nowhere in that quote does it say that "Magicker PCs are very rare" its saying as a whole, in the entire real/virtual world of Zalanthas, magick is rare, and its true. Its also distrusted, by players who play correctly.

Its more a player thing. Players need to start playing correctly.

The docs say that magick is a very rare any mysterious thing.... Which would make one think that the wielders of such rare and mysterious power would indeed be rare as well.

And magickers aren't very rare, or mysterious, so it makes magick itself rather common and un-mysterious. The more magickers there are, the less rare and less mysterious magick becomes, so.... More magicker PC = Less rare and mysterious magick. Magick not being mysterious or rare = Against the docs.

:Edit: And that's right, too many characters OOCly know how magick works. Now if non-mundanes were limited, then we wouldn't have so many people who know alot about it. And I would be able to freak out about a certain magicker working a certain element without another mundane PC who normally hates magick tell me, "It's okay, this will heal you."

[Desertman]

Disagree.

A fraction of vocal GDB posters does not equate to "a large portion of the playerbase". Most of these threads have the same view people arguing back and forth, with very little outside input.

Please see comments about respecting the nature of the thread and the constructive thread posters in regards to blatant derails.

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My thanks in advance for your polite consideration.

[Desertman]

Well shit, I really truly tried to keep this from becoming a "debate" thread.

But you people seem very intent on ignoring the initial request set forth for the thread, so it will now be deleted.

[Lord of Charas]

Then you shouldn't have spammed. You just made them want to do that all the more. You gave them so much food.

Besides. This is a subject that has shown to naturally thrive on debate, as no two people may view it the same way. So there's not much you can do.  let it go.

[mansa]

Remember this thread:

http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,7607.0.html

ooo.  Brings back some memories.

[number13]

My big solution:

Add D-Elves to the regular non-karma tree. Reject D-Elf apps that suck. Manually remove the d-elf option from players who abuse it.

Henceforth, it costs 1 Karma point to make a special app, whether it's approved or not.  Specials apps become the only way to create a magicker, half-giant, or mul.

Greater consideration is given to players who have never experienced a particular role before. So the guy who's played 4 void eles? He aint going to get a similar app approved, but is free to spend his karma apping for mindbenders, muls, or mundanes with special skillsets. Etc.

[Bluefae]

Remember this thread:

http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,7607.0.html

ooo.  Brings back some memories.

     Mansa, just sat down and read through the bulk of this one.  As always, thanks for hyperlinking it.  Was there any ultimate resolution?