Watch and Coins

[Cale_Knight]

If someone gives someone else some coins, and your watch skill goes off successfully, you should be able to tell about how many are being handed over.

[SpyGuy]

Would be a cool feature.  I'd say it should be a rough amount though, since you couldn't logically count every coin.  It'd be like guessing how many jelly beans are in one of those giant jars.

[Manhattan]

But most people emote giving coins in a coin pouch...how would your eyes tell you how many coins are in that pouch?

No, I don't think watch should incorporate this.

[Vesperas]

You would probably be able to tell the difference between more and less, though, even if it was in a pouch.

Reporting an estimated number would be fine, in my opinion, if you were skilled enough and successful.

If it was, say, 256 coins handed over, someone might see 300, or 200, or even 400/100, depending on how crappy they are.  There's a big difference between 200 and 20.

[Cale_Knight]

But most people emote giving coins in a coin pouch...how would your eyes tell you how many coins are in that pouch?

Maybe folks would actually start using coin pouches if this were implemented.

[Vesperas]

But most people emote giving coins in a coin pouch...how would your eyes tell you how many coins are in that pouch?

Maybe folks would actually start using coin pouches if this were implemented.

Cheap bastards, spending virtual sid on virtual pouches to transport real sid.

Agreed, anyhow.

[Manhattan]

But most people emote giving coins in a coin pouch...how would your eyes tell you how many coins are in that pouch?

Maybe folks would actually start using coin pouches if this were implemented.

a small leather pouch
a ragged hempcloth pouch

These thingamobbers?

[John]

But most people emote giving coins in a coin pouch...how would your eyes tell you how many coins are in that pouch?

I don't think people should emote such things. There's coded items in game to use. Use them if you want to do it. It's like me emoting wearing something, when I'm not wearing it.

[Cenghiz]

People use pouches, because sometimes you withdraw 3000 coins. 3000 tiny obsidian pieces, all fragile, possible most have sharp edges. Normally you wouldn't carry them in a palm, in two palms, in your lap, not even in all the pockets of your pants. People do not use virtual pouches to avoid steal or count attempts. They use it to avoid the unrealistic situation - how did I give the merchant 1000 'sids that easily?

Where are the coins in my inventory? In my hands? No.. I'm holding that 'rinthi whore with both hands now. My pants' pockets? Nah.. The pants is not a container..... But still it _has_ a virtual pocket I put coins in. The thief steals the coins from that virtual pocket if one approaches to and types "steal coins horny".

So, in Zalanthas, we do have virtual pouches and virtual pockets, even sometimes virtual whores. - More than once, I headed to the pleasure den of Kurac in Luir's or the gambling area in Red Storm and paid to a random NPC, then faded till my character was done with the virtual whore. Try it ... They have whores of nearly every sex and race and some are really experienced.

[bloodfromstone]

Virtual bags, wraps, etc. don't seem to be a problem for me. I -could- run all over the city, trying to find a piece of cloth that is also a container to wrap those steaks up in, but that, to me, is far less realistic than assuming a virtual one. Maybe I'm just lazy, though.

[LauraMars]

Ok, YES, virtual items.  Do you really think a sane person who has a healthy respect for their Equipment will wear those tight black leather pants without some kind of genital-protecting undergarment?   Guys?  Guys?  Leather chafes, y'know.  Unfortunately, there's no crotch wear location covered by legs and precious little coded underwear in game.  So if you see someone emoting their underwear, be happy.  

Same thing for obsidian coins.  If I'm regularily handing out coins I do tend to emote a pouch or at least a twist of cloth, because it doesn't usually make sense to have a character handing over one thousand bare-assed coins to someone in the middle of the desert.  Occasionally, I've used a coded container but sometimes, those just aren't in readily available supply.

If the suggested command was an approximate guess rather than a specific amount it would not completely suck, I guess.

Cenghiz sure likes whores.

[Cale_Knight]

Yeah, you'd never get a specific amount. But even if you were using a pouch, I'd be able to tell the difference between 10 coins and 1000 coins and 5000 coins.

[Jherlen]

I'd be for this change even if it wasn't related to the watch command. Just keep it general.

Bob gives Stacy one obsidian coin. (1)
Bob gives Stacy a few obsidian coins. (2 - 10)
Bob gives Stacy some obsidian coins (11 - 50)
... several coins (50 - 250)
... many coins (250 - 1000)
... a whole lot of coins (1000+)

Whether they're in a coded pouch or just by the handful, you ought to get a rough idea even if you aren't paying super close attention.

Although this begs the question: are there different denominations of coins? If I give somebody 1000 coins, did I just hand over a thousand different 1-sid pieces, or did I give them 10 100-sid pieces, or maybe just one single coin worth 1000 sids? That could give a meaning to the "small" and "large" slang, too...

I think I derailed a bit. Anyway this is a good idea.

[John]

are there different denominations of coins?

No. Players have talked about this -a lot- OOCly. I don't believe anyone has put a lot of effort into it ICly (when I say a lot, I mean years and years of effort ).

[mansa]

I'd be for this change even if it wasn't related to the watch command. Just keep it general.

Bob gives Stacy one obsidian coin. (1)
Bob gives Stacy a few obsidian coins. (2 - 10)
Bob gives Stacy some obsidian coins (11 - 50)
... several coins (50 - 250)
... many coins (250 - 1000)
... a whole lot of coins (1000+)

Whether they're in a coded pouch or just by the handful, you ought to get a rough idea even if you aren't paying super close attention.
...

...I thought the game already does this.

[John]

...I thought the game already does this.

In containers it does, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't for "giving"

[spawnloser]

I'd be for this change even if it wasn't related to the watch command. Just keep it general.

Bob gives Stacy one obsidian coin. (1)
Bob gives Stacy a few obsidian coins. (2 - 10)
Bob gives Stacy some obsidian coins (11 - 50)
... several coins (50 - 250)
... many coins (250 - 1000)
... a whole lot of coins (1000+)

Whether they're in a coded pouch or just by the handful, you ought to get a rough idea even if you aren't paying super close attention.
...

...I thought the game already does this.

I know the game does this when buying in a shop.  I don't know if it does this at the bank.  I think it does it for give, but I am not 100% certain.

[Vessol]

It could mayby help with RP things? I can see it mayby as a guard or spy watching a specific merchant. Let's say it's in the Gaj, the spy sits down and silently without notice watchs two people at a private table. The people are the table are a portly merchant and a thin shadowy looking man. He notices the shadowy man give the fat merchant a small bag then the merchant nodding and giving him say '200-300' sids. The guard walks over demands the bag, checks it, finds spice, no more merchant, fun time for Templar(with the spice).
Just little things like that might add to it how ever rare that might even happen.

[Maybe42or54]

The raider pulls up beside the merchant, grabbing the merchant's collar.

The raider says, Give me all yer coin. We got you.

The merchant grabs 10,000 'sid from his backpack.

The merchant gives 200 coins to The Raider.

The raider rides off.