Random Tiny Want: should my PC suck so bad at ride?

[jhunter]

To go back to the old way the ride code used to work. I think the current system is absolutely ludicrous and far more unrealistic than the old one.

[Barsook]

How did the old one work?

[FantasyWriter]

How did the old one work?

>w
Your mount refuses to move.
>w
Your mount refuses to move.
>w
Your mount refuses to move.
>w
Your mount refuses to move.
>w
Your mount refuses to move.
>w
Your mount refuses to move.
>w
Your mount refuses to move.
>w
Your mount refuses to move.
>w
Your mount refuses to move.
>w
Your mount refuses to move.
>w
Your mount refuses to move.
>w
Your mount refuses to move.
>think OOC: Fuck I wish this system was more realistic.

[Barsook]

Oh, that code.  I remember that.  It was a pain for real.

[jhunter]

The current version:

>w
You fall off your mount!
>st
*DELAY*
You stand up.
>mount kank
You jump onto the back of a purple kank.
>w
You fall off your mount!
>st
*DELAY*
You stand up.
>mount kank
You jump onto the back of a purple kank.
>w
You fall off your mount!
>st
*DELAY*
You stand up.
>mount kank
You jump onto the back of a purple kank.
>w
You fall off your mount!
>st
*DELAY*
You stand up.
>mount kank
You jump onto the back of a purple kank.
>w
You fall off your mount!
>st
*DELAY*
You stand up.
>mount kank
You jump onto the back of a purple kank.
>w
You fall off your mount!
>st
*DELAY*
You stand up.
>mount kank
You jump onto the back of a purple kank.
>w
You fall off your mount!
>st
*DELAY*
You stand up.
>mount kank
You jump onto the back of a purple kank.
>w
You fall off your mount!
>st
*DELAY*
You stand up.
>mount kank
You jump onto the back of a purple kank.
>w
You fall off your mount!
>st
*DELAY*
Me, OOC: Fuck this. This is far more unrealistic than the old way and -way- more of a pain in the fucking ass.
>w (leading a stupid purple kank)

[Barsook]

That's more unrealistic than the old one.

[jhunter]

Yeah, my first experience with the new ride code was exactly this, no exaggeration. The instant my pc left the road it immediately fell off it's mount on -every- attempt. This was with both hands completely free. It was impossible to ride anywhere but on the roads. I'm not about to spend hours on end going through that same cycle of shit in order to learn to ride a mount off the main road. So long as the ride code is like this, I'll be sticking with rangers, elves, and magickers.

[Cutthroat]

That's more unrealistic than the old one.

There are actually a number of ways the game treats a failed ride check.

If you fall off at every room it's probably because of the variety of factors listed in "help ride":

   The more hands you have free to use on the reins, the easier it is to
control your mount.

   The speed you are riding can have an impact on your ability to control
your mount.

   The terrain as well as type of mount can have an impact on your ability
to control your mount.

That is what Morgenes said the first time players raised a fuss about it and I believe he even offered to look at logs of strange behavior to determine if the code was truly not working as intended.

What I would actually like to see is more of a chance that your mount will slow down, or attempt to feed, or the various other possibilities of failure besides falling off, and less of a chance of falling off. But removing it entirely would be counter-productive.

[jhunter]

I agree there should be much more of the other failure results than falling off. Falling off should be at most 5% of the time in non-combat situations, IMO.

[BleakOne]

Strange... I always found learning to ride to be an easy thing for a character. I mostly get 'slowly responds to your commands' or 'veers towards a plant' results, almost never throw-offs with both hands free.

That's without riding gloves, my skill not being above novice, and all.

I must be lucky.

[Barsook]

Strange... I always found learning to ride to be an easy thing for a character. I mostly get 'slowly responds to your commands' or 'veers towards a plant' results, almost never throw-offs with both hands free.

That's without riding gloves, my skill not being above novice, and all.

I must be lucky.

I get those two outputs too.

[Zoltan]

Since the change to the ride code, I had only one character suffer the fall, twice. The reasons he fell were obvious, I changed his behavior, and he didn't fall ever again. This was an assassin/physician without any coded advantage on the skill, too. At least getting from A to B is possible now for an utter newb PC, which is a major plus in my book.

That said, ever since I started playing this game I've tried to make my potentially-outdoorsy types have a guild/subguild with a starting ride boost.

[Aaron Goulet]

Since the change to the ride code, I had only one character suffer the fall, twice. The reasons he fell were obvious, I changed his behavior, and he didn't fall ever again.

This has been my experience as well.

[jhunter]

Since the change to the ride code, I had only one character suffer the fall, twice. The reasons he fell were obvious, I changed his behavior, and he didn't fall ever again.

This has been my experience as well.

So did I. I don't see any reason for this pc to have been -so- bad at riding that riding off of a road was -completely- impossible. There's a difference between being bad at it and not being able to do it at all under the best circumstances possible for your character.

[Potaje]

Once, IR, I went ridding with a friend at his ranch and the horse I was saddled with had to be punched in the gut because he had this tick of sucking in alot of air and expanding his ribs when people would go to saddle him. I wasn't told and so while ridding, kicking him into a canter, my saddle came lose and there I went fighting for control while plummeting from a side turned saddle.

Shit happens, there can be many reasons in game for it, even for a semi good rider.

My father, who was a stunt man in his day, went to a ranch with the others from his crew on some western. They where talking about a mean as horse that no one could stay on. My father took up the challenge and after a bit of bucking remained saddled, but that wasn't the end of it, this horse proceeded to gallop across the field they where in and towards a tree with a low branch, set near the end of where the fence closed in the perimeter. Seeing the branch coming my father ducks it, and thinking he got over on the horse looked back.
At the moment of looking back with a smirk at the branch he found himself amid air. Seems the real plan of the horse was either the branch to sweep him off or the sudden stop before the fence where it suddenly bucked and sent him over it into a small gully.

So my point is, it could be you mount and not your skill.

[jhunter]

So my point is, it could be you mount and not your skill.

And if that's the case and it's coded that way that's fine, so long as there's some common knowledge as to what mounts are easiest to ride etc. As it stands, if that is the case, I cannot find anywhere that there is information regarding the reliability and ease of use with different mounts in regards to each other. If they are used as mounts at all, it would be fairly common knowledge.

Now, if what you are saying is it can be explained away as in: "That particular beast is just a pain in the ass to ride." That doesn't resolved the issue of the code being flawed. You can come up with IC explainations for all sorts of fucked up things, it doesn't mean they are working as it should in regards to playability and enjoyment of the game.

[Nyr]

Since the change to the ride code, I had only one character suffer the fall, twice. The reasons he fell were obvious, I changed his behavior, and he didn't fall ever again.

This has been my experience as well.

So did I. I don't see any reason for this pc to have been -so- bad at riding that riding off of a road was -completely- impossible. There's a difference between being bad at it and not being able to do it at all under the best circumstances possible for your character.

Guess your PC's not much of a rider, then, and will have to get better at riding in order to be better at riding.

[jhunter]

Since the change to the ride code, I had only one character suffer the fall, twice. The reasons he fell were obvious, I changed his behavior, and he didn't fall ever again.

This has been my experience as well.

So did I. I don't see any reason for this pc to have been -so- bad at riding that riding off of a road was -completely- impossible. There's a difference between being bad at it and not being able to do it at all under the best circumstances possible for your character.

Guess your PC's not much of a rider, then, and will have to get better at riding in order to be better at riding.

So bad they fall off every single time? That's ridiculously unrealistic.

[Titania]

I don't care much for how hard it is to get decent at riding myself. After thirty plus days with regular rides, wtf I still fall off.

[Nyr]

So bad they fall off every single time? That's ridiculously unrealistic.

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[jhunter]

So bad they fall off every single time? That's ridiculously unrealistic.

This looks like a job for Captain Context!  Please put in a request through the request queue, detailing how exactly this happens (complete with logs)!  Thanks!

Unfortunately I very rarely ever log (especially when I'm frustrated) so this isn't an option. The post I made above is entirely accurate about what I was experiencing. On road...fine, messages about it slowing, veering towards a plant, etc. Off road, in EVERY terrain I tried, EVERY attempt resulted in my pc falling off. This was with both hands free and the pc having a subguild that is outdoor-related. I got so frustrated with it, I'm no longer playing the character so I can't just go out and reproduce it either.

[Nyr]

Oh, you were the guy that bugged it yesterday.  The post you made is entirely accurate except for the context, which I can provide (with pertinent stuff redacted, of course) if you'd like.  You were playing a PC with shitty ride, riding a mount in a shitty place to ride it even for people with major ride skillz.

In addition, your subguild had nothing to do with a ride skill, so...that doesn't help either.

[jhunter]

Oh, you were the guy that bugged it yesterday.  The post you made is entirely accurate except for the context, which I can provide (with pertinent stuff redacted, of course) if you'd like.  You were playing a PC with shitty ride, riding a mount in a shitty place to ride it even for people with major ride skillz.

In addition, your subguild had nothing to do with a ride skill, so...that doesn't help either.

Except that I tried it in other places after that bug and it was the same result -everywhere-. Not just in the location at the time I bugged it. -Anything- off the road period. I made it a point to go try elsewhere in a total of about 4-5 terrains (and the result was the same) to see if what you were saying is purely the case, which it doesn't seem to have been. I was unable to get the pc to stay on the mount for a single instance of movement off of a road in any of the terrains I tried. That's what I have a problem with. If the problem were limited to just what you said, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But it was not limited to only the terrain that you are speaking of.

[Nyr]

Yeah.  Riding off of a road when you have a shitty ride skill is probably not a good idea, even according to the documentation on the skill.  The problem (in that one instance) was compounded by shitty terrain.  It didn't change the fact that you had shitty ride on top of it.  The problem isn't limited to terrain, it is limited to people with poor skills having a difficult time using those skills successfully.

[jhunter]

So you're saying it's realistic for someone to be so bad at sitting atop a trained animal that they can't possible stay on top of it unless their riding on a road? If so, I wholeheartedly disagree that this is realistic and always will. It's unrealistic for anyone, other than someone that is physically or mentally handicapped on some way to be -that- bad.