Master Craft Notation on Skills List

Lizzie · July 05, 2009, 02:14:50 PM

You know what would be awesome...

if we didn't have to pester the staff every month asking if we've mastered anything new yet. It feels SO awkward even asking...

If the skills list could have an asterisk or some other notation next to the mastered craft skill, that would be - so awesome. Or, if there's some coded reason why it can't be notated on the list, maybe another command, called "master"

that gives you a list of only those craft skills that you've mastered.

So either or, would make me drool. I imagine most guild_merchant players would love it too. Magickers get to see when they've gotten their spell to "mon" so I'm really mostly just asking for the same. Is my jewelry making skill at mon yet daddy? IS IT?

FantasyWriter · July 05, 2009, 02:20:20 PM

+5,672

jcljules · July 05, 2009, 02:34:12 PM

I've played a mastercrafter before, and this would have been really helpful. I sent in quite a few "Question" requests.

Pale Horse · July 05, 2009, 02:36:55 PM

Pleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleasedothis!!!

Synthesis · July 05, 2009, 04:58:55 PM

Knowing you can cast at mon and knowing you are good at making jewelry are two entirely different things.

The7DeadlyVenomz · July 05, 2009, 05:05:31 PM

I would actually like to see [master] beside any skill that you have mastered.

I don't think it's asking too much to know that you are a master at swordplay, or sneaking, or foraging.

Synthesis · July 05, 2009, 05:07:14 PM

Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 05, 2009, 05:05:31 PM
I would actually like to see [master] beside any skill that you have mastered.

I don't think it's asking too much to know that you are a master at swordplay, or sneaking, or foraging.

When you're a master, it's usually pretty self-evident, anyway.

It's one of those things where if you have to ask, you probably aren't.

jcljules · July 05, 2009, 05:11:07 PM

I've mastered crafting skills plenty of times without realizing it. Not true.

The7DeadlyVenomz · July 05, 2009, 05:15:24 PM

Quote from: Synthesis on July 05, 2009, 05:07:14 PM
Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 05, 2009, 05:05:31 PM
I would actually like to see [master] beside any skill that you have mastered.

I don't think it's asking too much to know that you are a master at swordplay, or sneaking, or foraging.

When you're a master, it's usually pretty self-evident, anyway.

It's one of those things where if you have to ask, you probably aren't.

Syn, frankly, not sure why you would even argue against it.

Synthesis · July 05, 2009, 05:38:57 PM

Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 05, 2009, 05:15:24 PM
Quote from: Synthesis on July 05, 2009, 05:07:14 PM
Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 05, 2009, 05:05:31 PM
I would actually like to see [master] beside any skill that you have mastered.

I don't think it's asking too much to know that you are a master at swordplay, or sneaking, or foraging.

When you're a master, it's usually pretty self-evident, anyway.

It's one of those things where if you have to ask, you probably aren't.

Syn, frankly, not sure why you would even argue against it.

1. Because I'm argumentative.

2. Because I've been playing long enough to -know- when I've mastered something. I don't need an asterisk to tell me.

3. Slippery slope.

FantasyWriter · July 05, 2009, 06:29:49 PM

Unlike other skills, with crafting you HAVE to know on an OOC level whether or not you have mastered it in order to do certain things.

Kinda like you HAVE to know you have advanced enough in a magick skill to be able to use it at the next power level. (as lizzie was saying earlier)

Majikal · July 05, 2009, 06:34:37 PM

Crafting skills:

Other skills: $:-\$

The7DeadlyVenomz · July 05, 2009, 07:23:11 PM

Well, I support it on crafting.

I also support it on all the other skills, too, but it's not necessary.

Just don't really think it's a 'slippery slope', but to be fair, it could be and I just don't understand it. Also, because I focus mostly on RP, I haven't maxed enough skills to know when it's maxed. I only began to notice patterns a few years ago, and almost universally, my RP is more important than my skills.

tortall · July 05, 2009, 11:34:52 PM

Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 05, 2009, 07:23:11 PM
Well, I support it on crafting.

I also support it on all the other skills, too, but it's not necessary.

Um.... Only I don't think any skills get to the "master" point. Oh, sure, close. Even with "mastering" jewelry, you're still gonna screw up sometimes. The mastercrafting is only so you can know you can submit a special item in that category.

AmandaGreathouse · July 05, 2009, 11:45:11 PM

Quote from: tortall on July 05, 2009, 11:34:52 PM
Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 05, 2009, 07:23:11 PM
Well, I support it on crafting.

I also support it on all the other skills, too, but it's not necessary.

Um.... Only I don't think any skills get to the "master" point. Oh, sure, close. Even with "mastering" jewelry, you're still gonna screw up sometimes. The mastercrafting is only so you can know you can submit a special item in that category.

Even master painters fuck up sometimes. Master writes, master everything.

But, it is an OOC thing. Because, IC, you don't have to know the exact number for how 'skilled' you are at something, and submit the item to someone else to allow you to make. IC, you're making it. It's really not the same at all. While I don't see an issue with giving something like there is on stats (general level) for skills, I don't really think it's particularly important to see it, and, knowing there's potential for....

someone's going to exploit it. Because that's peoples nature. But on crafting... +1. Has my vote. That's just less time the staff has to spend responding to emails/requests/etc related to the way it's set up now. I mean, if you -know- you can't make it with master crafting because you haven't mastered the craft yet, you're a lot less likely to send inquiring emails about it.

flurry · July 06, 2009, 12:20:04 AM

For merchant skills involved in mastercrafting, a definite yes. For other guilds and skills, it's not necessary, and might do more harm than good.

The OP spells out the exact issue: it would be a time saver, for players and staff. Instead of emails going back and forth every time a guild_merchant wants to check their skills, again, the information would be right there. They're going to ask for it anyway, so why not save the player and staff time? It might also encourage more people to take advantage of mastercrafting.

The7DeadlyVenomz · July 06, 2009, 01:16:20 AM

Groovy. I'm down with it, for merchants only.

Fnord · July 06, 2009, 01:24:15 AM

Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 06, 2009, 01:16:20 AM
Groovy. I'm down with it, for merchants only.

spawnloser · July 06, 2009, 06:09:58 AM

To know if you have the option to submit recipes for a particular craft skill, I don't think that's bad. You'll be told anyway if you send a request.

House Rising Sun · July 06, 2009, 08:44:37 AM

What if instead of your skill list telling you you've mastered a skill, somewhere in there, or in score, or stat, or when you login and it tells you things like you've had a birthday or you're sober, the game let you know: "You can create one unique [something] item."

After it's submitted and resolved, the flag can be removed as part of the process and once enough real world time has passed and you can do it again, the notice pops back up. Killing two birds with one stone, letting you know you've mastered a skill without complicating the skill list, and automating the timer for how often you can submit new items.

Krath · July 06, 2009, 09:03:20 AM

I am in support of it for Merchants!

Marauder Moe · July 06, 2009, 09:19:44 AM

Yeah, this sounds like a good idea to me. "Master crafter" status, in this context, is an OOC thing that means the staff will make unique items for you. You already learn about it through OOC means (emailing the staff). Might as well let you learn about it through automatic OOC means.

Lizzie · July 06, 2009, 10:00:08 AM

Quote from: House Rising Sun on July 06, 2009, 08:44:37 AM
What if instead of your skill list telling you you've mastered a skill, somewhere in there, or in score, or stat, or when you login and it tells you things like you've had a birthday or you're sober, the game let you know: "You can create one unique [something] item."

After it's submitted and resolved, the flag can be removed as part of the process and once enough real world time has passed and you can do it again, the notice pops back up. Killing two birds with one stone, letting you know you've mastered a skill without complicating the skill list, and automating the timer for how often you can submit new items.

Because if I am guild_merchant and have 7 crafting skills mastered, that means I'll have to see:

You can create one unique clothworking item.
You can create one unique stonework item.
You can create one unique armorsmithing item.
You can create blah blah blah 7 lines worth of this shit.

Instead, you already -have- these skills listed on your skills list. A simple asterisk, or (M) next to the -already existing list- would solve the problem without having to deal with an extra 7 lines of text, every time you type "score" or "stat" or log in.

House Rising Sun · July 06, 2009, 11:26:05 PM

Oh, good point, never thought of that. In all my years I've never played a merchant and I guess I assumed if you have that many maxed crafting skills you're using bots and deserve the spam. In that case [mastered] next to the skill name would do fine. No symbols please, we do well enough without too many of those.

Lizzie · July 07, 2009, 09:01:31 AM

Mastering/branching/maxing everything, just like in all other guilds, can be the result of having a very long-lived character. It can -also- be the result of twinkery.

Also, 7 skills (which was really just an example...I don't -think- I've mastered that much yet) isn't even half, compared to all the skills possible in the "Crafting" section of your skills list, if you're guild_merchant.

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