I feel like ... if everyone is ok with the "fantasy" of their warriors spending 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in full armor at all times, never actually sleeping, and ignoring the effects of heat stroke ... everyone should be ok with the fantasy of a badass archer being able to shoot a couple arrows at once.

And I'd like to throw another +1 behind the idea of letting folks shoot arrows in strong winds, just at a strong penalty.

Ya guys we could have everyone be like Legolas when he shoots three arrows at once omg he was so hot ^.^ <3

Quote from: musashi on July 07, 2008, 08:54:55 AM
I feel like ... if everyone is ok with the "fantasy" of their warriors spending 24 hours a day, 7 days a week in full armor at all times, never actually sleeping, and ignoring the effects of heat stroke ... everyone should be ok with the fantasy of a badass archer being able to shoot a couple arrows at once.

And I'd like to throw another +1 behind the idea of letting folks shoot arrows in strong winds, just at a strong penalty.

Actually I think a fair number of people do rp sleeping, heat stroke and, though admittedly less frequently, changing their clothing.  Like only being able to shoot one arrow at a time, it helps bring out the gritty and brutal atmosphere that the world seems to encourage.  Shooting multiple arrows seems to be encourage a more high fantasy feel that I don't think suits the game very well.   

Quote from: staggerlee on July 07, 2008, 12:50:34 PM
Actually I think a fair number of people do rp sleeping, heat stroke and, though admittedly less frequently, changing their clothing.  ...it helps bring out the gritty and brutal atmosphere that the world seems to encourage.

QFT.

Staggerlee got the point I was trying to make across very nicely.

Further, I don't think, "People should like it," is a compelling argument. Fact is, they don't, and scolding them won't change that. You might also want to re-examine your concept of 'everyone'.

I just dont see the point in shooting multiple arrows.

Would this be something you would branch when you are uber badass? Of course it would.

If you have ever played an archer that was uber badass to the point they would branch this ability, you already know that the second arrow wouldnt do much in most cases, but hit a corpse you already killed with the first arrow.

I dont see the point.

I don't like the idea. To me, it kind of gets away from what feels Zalanthan to me, and a little more into arcade/cartoonish violence, if that makes any sense. And that isn't mean to be totally dismissive or say it's a terrible idea, but I just don't think it fits this game very well.

Quote from: Tisiphone on July 07, 2008, 12:58:36 PM
Further, I don't think, "People should like it," is a compelling argument. Fact is, they don't, and scolding them won't change that. You might also want to re-examine your concept of 'everyone'.

Again with the snarky.

I wasn't scolding, just making an observation about how people seem quite content to make the arguement: But it's a fantasy game! - When some things are brought up on charges of being unrealistic code-wise ... then when other suggestions are offered up the same folks are quite keen on saying: But that's unrealistic!

Seems like a double standard, thats all.

Quote from: musashi on July 07, 2008, 07:52:44 PM

Quote from: Tisiphone on July 07, 2008, 12:58:36 PM
Further, I don't think, "People should like it," is a compelling argument. Fact is, they don't, and scolding them won't change that. You might also want to re-examine your concept of 'everyone'.

Again with the snarky.

I wasn't scolding, just making an observation about how people seem quite content to make the arguement: But it's a fantasy game! - When some things are brought up on charges of being unrealistic code-wise ... then when other suggestions are offered up the same folks are quite keen on saying: But that's unrealistic!

Seems like a double standard, thats all.

That actually wasn't one of my snarky replies, I was being completely serious. You're right, 'tis something of a double standard in one light, but one that people hold, and probably hold for a reason. If I had to guess at that reason, I'd say it involved something along the lines of a blend of literary history (the chivalric just doesn't include the heroes shitting, sleeping, eating, etc. except in the cause of the story), playability (not NEEDING to sleep, change clothes, etc. removes possible tedium, whereas multiple arrow-firing simply adds cinematic effect), and the emotional consistency.

I would say being able to knock arrows out of the air consistantly with a pair of swords does little besides add cinematic effect as well ... but according to this thread:

http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,31183.25.html

Lots of folks are overjoyed to keep that for reasons like:

Quote from: RogueGunslinger on June 14, 2008, 12:30:05 PM
I don't care how unrealistic parrying an arrow with a sword is. It's fucking cool. This isn't a real life simulator.

I don't personally feel one way or the other about the idea of shooting off multiple arrows, I just wanted to point out that there are other things in game that are just as, if not more, unrealistic ... but heartily supported. And a blend of literary history probably didn't enter into it nearly so much as feats and perks from D&D games did.

If folks are against the idea that's all fine and well, but the reasoning a lot of people in the thread were using as to why seemed deeply steeped in hypocrisy to me. That's all.

QuoteIf folks are against the idea that's all fine and well, but the reasoning a lot of people in the thread were using as to why seemed deeply steeped in hypocrisy to me. That's all.

Along the same lines of what I was saying.  I don't care for the idea itself, but it's not particularly 'unrealistic' if real people can do it, even if it is as targets.  The high fantasy argument works well, the rest...meh.