Scout - starts at novice, max at advanced (high), branches from forage
Stalker - starts at novice, max at master (low), branches from forage
Adventurer - starts at apprentice, max at master (high), branches from forage
Wastelander - starts at journeyman, max at advanced (low), starter skill
Bandit - starts at journeyman, max at advanced (low), starter skill
Mountaineer - starts at journeyman, max at advanced (low), starter skill



EDIT:  added mountaineer

Quote from: Halaster on June 09, 2024, 01:47:39 PMScout - starts at novice, max at advanced (high), branches from forage
Stalker - starts at novice, max at master (low), branches from forage
Adventurer - starts at apprentice, max at master (high), branches from forage
Wastelander - starts at journeyman, max at advanced (low), starter skill
Bandit - starts at journeyman, max at advanced (low), starter skill

Is outdoorsman not getting it or is it already considered a too-powerful subguild?

Quote from: Halaster on June 09, 2024, 01:47:39 PMScout - starts at novice, max at advanced (high), branches from forage
Stalker - starts at novice, max at master (low), branches from forage
Adventurer - starts at apprentice, max at master (high), branches from forage
Wastelander - starts at journeyman, max at advanced (low), starter skill
Bandit - starts at journeyman, max at advanced (low), starter skill

I think mountaineer would make a good addition.

It makes sense for bandit but master hide and charge are hearty skills vs climb and regen of mountaineer. The latter which camp somwehat makes moot so doesnt feel too op.

Quote from: Kavrick on June 09, 2024, 01:48:56 PM

Quote from: Halaster on June 09, 2024, 01:47:39 PMScout - starts at novice, max at advanced (high), branches from forage
Stalker - starts at novice, max at master (low), branches from forage
Adventurer - starts at apprentice, max at master (high), branches from forage
Wastelander - starts at journeyman, max at advanced (low), starter skill
Bandit - starts at journeyman, max at advanced (low), starter skill

Is outdoorsman not getting it or is it already considered a too-powerful subguild?

already 'too' powerful, to add camping I think we'd have to remove something from it, which I'd rahter not do

Quote from: Dresan on June 09, 2024, 01:58:03 PM

Quote from: Halaster on June 09, 2024, 01:47:39 PMScout - starts at novice, max at advanced (high), branches from forage
Stalker - starts at novice, max at master (low), branches from forage
Adventurer - starts at apprentice, max at master (high), branches from forage
Wastelander - starts at journeyman, max at advanced (low), starter skill
Bandit - starts at journeyman, max at advanced (low), starter skill

I think mountaineer would make a good addition.

It makes sense for bandit but master hide and charge are hearty skills vs climb and regen of mountaineer. The latter which camp somwehat makes moot so doesnt feel too op.

agreed, added

The Stalker web page says to me, that the class starts with the camping skill? Its branching page says camping branches from forage?

Depending on how many folks get the skill, and how long camps last for, it could result in a wilderness locations littered with campsites.

Folks need to practice their skills. If each PC with the skill creates a camp (or multiple if they want to practice it until failure) each 24 hour period, how many camps will be in the wilds at one time?

For this reason, I think they should only last one IG day.

Quote from: bracken on June 10, 2024, 05:18:27 AMThe Stalker web page says to me, that the class starts with the camping skill? Its branching page says camping branches from forage?

Thanks for catching that, that's my bad.  Fixed, it's now under the branching section.  See also 'stalker branching'

Surprised that it's not available for Dune Trader. You would think they are the ones that are actively setting up camps for caravans.

Quote from: FantasyWriter on June 12, 2024, 04:26:25 PMSurprised that it's not available for Dune Trader. You would think they are the ones that are actively setting up camps for caravans.

That is true.  I thought all those classes in the center column were more wilderness oriented...

Is it an oversight or intentional?

How will tents fit in with the new camping skill? Why should characters use tents if they have also have camping? The helpfile on tents mentions "Tents are not quit-safe rooms. They cannot be, for code reasons."

Can Master Chef have Camping added, it feels like something that's in their wheelhouse, and would round out their supportive nature nicely. Without adding too much too them. Perhaps branching from Forage or even Direction Sense if you feel like that's appropriate?

It just feels like something appropriate from an RP perspective, that they could set up a camp to cook at, and gather allies together for a meal. And doesn't feel like it would be adding too too much to them.

On discussion with someone more educated than me, there may be concerns some of which I agree with in regards to capability gap filling with Raider, but I'll let them voice them if they want too.

I put in an idea via the in-game tool but I figured I might as well write it here as well. It'd be really neat and realistic if high quality and superior camps could lower the wind intensity by a tick or two (respective of quality) in that single room. Or if wind shelters/lean-tos could be added which would do that when set up by an experienced camper as not to make it too overpowered.

Quote from: Coconutbuttercup on September 24, 2024, 02:02:30 PMI put in an idea via the in-game tool but I figured I might as well write it here as well. It'd be really neat and realistic if high quality and superior camps could lower the wind intensity by a tick or two (respective of quality) in that single room. Or if wind shelters/lean-tos could be added which would do that when set up by an experienced camper as not to make it too overpowered.

I'm not sure this would be really realistic. We have lightweight tents that do this, but if you are outside, you are subject to the weather, else go inside.  I think where you are going is more liking having a large encampment set up with walls and stuff. (these tend to have better weather because they are technically in a different zone.