I will be in Luir's if you need me.

Quote from: Kismetic on April 27, 2023, 12:32:39 PM
If people have the opinion that Luir's apartments isn't good for the game or doesn't "make sense", even though they had shanties and warehouses before, can you explain why Red Storm has two apartment buildings?

Because Red Storm is a village and perhaps the third largest center point of civilization in the entire Known World. Luir's, though formidable in its own right, is an outpost, a fortress. In my opinion it should never have had a shanty town to begin with, or at least not one which included rentable tents/apartments. Luir's functions as a crossroads, not a home, and I think it better serves the two city-states if it remains that way. You can make the argument that well if that's what players want why not give it to them? But then why not Cenyr and Morin's and Yaroch and Blackwing and whatever else too? At some point you have to draw the line and say this is how much we want to serve the existing playerbase. For me personally, I feel limiting it to what we've got now is a suitable amount. Keep the Tablelands reserved for Kuraci staff and local tribesmen (and tribeself) only. That's my opinion anyway.

Nyeh!

I think it also pertinent to mention that it hasn't been Luir's Outpost in a very long time, and Kurac lost their fortress. So its entirely different from what it used to be, and now is a center trade hub for the entire Great Merchant Houses who have their own living quarters.

Quote from: Riev on April 28, 2023, 09:31:07 AM
I think it also pertinent to mention that it hasn't been Luir's Outpost in a very long time, and Kurac lost their fortress. So its entirely different from what it used to be, and now is a center trade hub for the entire Great Merchant Houses who have their own living quarters.

Right but is it any larger in size since it became a conglomeration of merchant houses? It's still an outpost, right? It may be entirely different in organizational structure but the physical structure is still the same.

Anyway I'm expressing a personal preference and the way I see things, not proposing any official mandate. I'm cool with Luir's not having apartments in the same sense I'm cool with Morin's not having any. Red Storm for me is a larger affair and I think some place outside the cities needs apartments, just not every such place.

They built more to the east, where there was some openings, but no, nothing in the Bailey area.

I definitely don't think Luirs should have any apartments. It is a trade center, not meant to be any sort of long-term storage UNLESS you're in league with one of the Merchant Houses. I think Warehouses are okay, so long as you're an official, contracted supplier of resources for the Houses. Otherwise, sell what you brought, and leave with what you bought.

Quote from: Riev on April 28, 2023, 09:57:33 AM
They built more to the east, where there was some openings, but no, nothing in the Bailey area.

I definitely don't think Luirs should have any apartments. It is a trade center, not meant to be any sort of long-term storage UNLESS you're in league with one of the Merchant Houses. I think Warehouses are okay, so long as you're an official, contracted supplier of resources for the Houses. Otherwise, sell what you brought, and leave with what you bought.

What should I do with my three bags of supplies while I wait for a GMH PC to login?

Quote from: Lotion on April 28, 2023, 03:28:33 PM

Quote from: Riev on April 28, 2023, 09:57:33 AM
They built more to the east, where there was some openings, but no, nothing in the Bailey area.

I definitely don't think Luirs should have any apartments. It is a trade center, not meant to be any sort of long-term storage UNLESS you're in league with one of the Merchant Houses. I think Warehouses are okay, so long as you're an official, contracted supplier of resources for the Houses. Otherwise, sell what you brought, and leave with what you bought.

What should I do with my three bags of supplies while I wait for a GMH PC to login?

Rent an apartment....Oh I see what you did there.

Quote from: Lotion on April 28, 2023, 03:28:33 PM

Quote from: Riev on April 28, 2023, 09:57:33 AM
They built more to the east, where there was some openings, but no, nothing in the Bailey area.

I definitely don't think Luirs should have any apartments. It is a trade center, not meant to be any sort of long-term storage UNLESS you're in league with one of the Merchant Houses. I think Warehouses are okay, so long as you're an official, contracted supplier of resources for the Houses. Otherwise, sell what you brought, and leave with what you bought.

What should I do with my three bags of supplies while I wait for a GMH PC to login?

Unironically, unlike Pariah down there, rent somewhere that isn't Luir's and ride for the outpost when they are logged in.

If you're selling to, or buying from, a PC GMH the assumption is its worth the cost.

Hire the Byn to get you there.
Carry it with you and be vunerable to theft and mugging.
Set up a specific time to meet and only go then.

If its enough to not just sell to NPCs, its worth the couple small for an escort, or the time to take to set it up.

That said? I do feel for some trade elf with 2 pack beasts full of materials to trade being told to "go home, he's not on duty yet"

Quote from: Lotion on April 28, 2023, 03:28:33 PM

Quote from: Riev on April 28, 2023, 09:57:33 AM
They built more to the east, where there was some openings, but no, nothing in the Bailey area.

I definitely don't think Luirs should have any apartments. It is a trade center, not meant to be any sort of long-term storage UNLESS you're in league with one of the Merchant Houses. I think Warehouses are okay, so long as you're an official, contracted supplier of resources for the Houses. Otherwise, sell what you brought, and leave with what you bought.

What should I do with my three bags of supplies while I wait for a GMH PC to login?

Find a Two Moons!!

Quote from: Chettaman on April 26, 2023, 07:25:33 AM
There was a party in luirs. All someone had to do was say there was one and people came.
So I propose: if you want people to see you as a trader, you post on the boards in cities when you will be roleplaying as a trader and where you will be roleplaying as a trader and people will come.

I don't know why I just thought of this!!! 10+ years of roleplay and I'm just now realizing this. Mini RPTs for merchants!!
You better be stocked up.

The problem isn't that the players behind Luir's aren't trying to get stuff done. It's that the Staff running the Outpost don't really give a shit about it. Their efforts are focused on Tuluk and Allanak, the latter of which is a perpetual lost cause.

Really the only thing players can do is assume "nothing will get done" unless a staffer takes a personal interest and comes to us. We can make ourselves available, but asking to change stuff on our own is wasted effort.

Quote from: BadSkeelz on April 28, 2023, 11:25:46 PM
The problem isn't that the players behind Luir's aren't trying to get stuff done. It's that the Staff running the Outpost don't really give a shit about it. Their efforts are focused on Tuluk and Allanak, the latter of which is a perpetual lost cause.

Really the only thing players can do is assume "nothing will get done" unless a staffer takes a personal interest and comes to us. We can make ourselves available, but asking to change stuff on our own is wasted effort.

This pretty much sums it up.

Luirs is still awesome for an indy to find really mixed RP, you don't need a house. Luirs is THE most important town in the known. Mainly due to geography. Personally Storm is the coolest town followed by Cenyr and Luirs, but Luirs is arguably the most important for the gameworld of any city or town, I think.

The lethal nature of the law enforcement there keeps it as a good neutral rp spot for all but the most open bounties and criminals, commoner wise. Especially since Kurac isn't constantly retiring old PCs by closing the gates and merking them in the bar like the old days.

What if Luirs had a building with bone/stone lockers/footlockers that you could rent? Similar to an apartment, but cheaper and smaller with limited space, but enough for the average hunter/crafter to store clothes, a few supplies, materials and tools.

Quote from: Classclown on May 14, 2023, 04:23:05 PM
What if Luirs had a building with bone/stone lockers/footlockers that you could rent? Similar to an apartment, but cheaper and smaller with limited space, but enough for the average hunter/crafter to store clothes, a few supplies, materials and tools.

actually, since it will be guarded, is burglar proof and should be even more expensive. would be amazing though. 100 coin for 20 stones storage a month is a sweet deal.
500 coins 100 stones.

I think that's an amazing idea, actually.

I would like to introduce you to a paid Nenyuk service that could stand to be worked on a bit.

You can pay Nenyuk to store items for you.

No one wants to fuck in a deposit box.

Quote from: BadSkeelz on May 15, 2023, 01:05:47 PM
No one wants to fuck in a deposit box.

Quote from: BadSkeelz on May 15, 2023, 01:05:47 PM
No one wants to fuck in a deposit box.

Too good for an alcove?
Seriously, a black light in them would resemble a Jackson Pollock painting.
Back on topic:
Make it possible to build tents in the outer yard and make all tents save rooms.

Quote from: BadSkeelz on May 15, 2023, 01:05:47 PM
No one wants to fuck in a deposit box.

it's okay there's two upstairs rooms in storm's end, the rentable room in the front of storm's end, probably rentable rooms in the pleasure den, multiple nearby caves, and the arabet visitor's tent is open 1/3 of the year. people will find a place

Quote from: BadSkeelz on May 15, 2023, 01:05:47 PM
No one wants to fuck in a deposit box.

How many coins to rent the back room?

I think you're all focusing on the wrong thing. Its not about mudsex.

Its about having a room thats 'yours' and should be 100% safe from pickpockets and you should never be inconvenienced for owning it.

Its not about 200 coins for a fuck room, or even a back room off a whores den. Its about paying for 'absolute safety'.

Staff will never sign off on "absolute safety." And I don't think they should, as historically rooms approaching that get used for spam-casting.

But a room of some safety, to at least be able to drop some things and make the room a room of your own? People will definitely pay that. Staff are still reluctant to sign off on it, though.