I think this would be really neat....
If you're watching someone, or a direction, I think it would be cool to have any projectile weapons thrown from person/direction to go through a catch check.
Admit it, this would be badass.
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w168/strangeasangels3/1175143341245.gif)
Also, almost completely unrealistic. Only VERY highly trained individuals can do this.
Special app the character.
Quote from: Troicha on January 04, 2008, 11:26:24 PM
Also, almost completely unrealistic. Only VERY highly trained individuals can do this.
Special app the character.
Or a blocking check with a -very- low chance of success maybe?
Quote from: Troicha on January 04, 2008, 11:26:24 PM
Also, almost completely unrealistic. Only VERY highly trained individuals can do this.
Special app the character.
Name: Amos
Guild: Monk
ECL: 10
Find out IC.
sorry, Mythbusters busted that one, cant be done
Quote from: Morgenes on January 04, 2008, 11:44:36 PM
sorry, Mythbusters busted that one, cant be done
Monks can do it!
At level 2, no less.
I think if you want to catch knives with the clever use of your forehead, go for it. Kind of a one-time thing, though.
Quote from: Troicha on January 04, 2008, 11:26:24 PM
Also, almost completely unrealistic. Only VERY highly trained individuals can do this.
That actor did it simply and he's like a newb times 5..
heh.
J-Rod
You can say what you want, Cerelum.
But.
Kurt Russel is no newb.
Seriously, Find out IC!
Quote from: Gimfalisette on January 05, 2008, 02:34:43 AM
I think if you want to catch knives with the clever use of your forehead, go for it. Kind of a one-time thing, though.
if you get the special feat on monk you can even hurl the knife back but i think it asks for 8+ base attack role
If something is realistic, such as the ability to deflect an arrow with a shield or a weapon, but a player doesn't know if the code actually covers this, why should they have to find out IC?
It was a joke.
It's realistic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-nCbJmjES4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLj8eK814o0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKiiVpKMeXw
Just search it out, there are many martial artists that practice this as apart of their training.
Just because a very few people can catch an arrow, while expecting it, in a very controlled environment, doesn't mean that it's realistic to be able to catch arrows and knives and throw them back at your attacker in an uncontrolled environment when you aren't expecting it.
Who said that he was requesting that it was able to be done when NOT expecting it. As you can read that it was stated that it would work if you were watching in a certain direction. I can't seem to find the video, but it shows a good example of an old age bow being shot at a person that was watching it from a good distance and they catch it. Unless it's a compound bow or close range, an arrow being shot at someone could be caught... No person could catch an arrow if they aren't expecting it...
If you watch the mythbusters example, they shoot and arrow from a hand that is less than a foot away. Who in their right mind will shoot an arrow point blank at someone?
Who in their right mind would try to catch an arrow they know is coming, when they could step out of the way. It's a lot easier to just move than try to deftly catch a speeding arrow with your bare hand. None of those videos show people doing it because it's practical, just because it looks cool.
I honestly think catching a throwing knife or knocking it out of the air is believable, but an arrow is just absurd.
Catching an arrow would be easier then the thrown knife.
Course, I get a kick out of those youtube links.
Have them do them over but with real hunting bows.
In 2 of the cases the bows were no more then 20lbs draw, top speed...MAYBE 70mph, call it 60 a point of catching.
In the other its a target bow, not a hunting bow, draw set to maybe 35lbs, speed off string might have been 100+mph, but at point of catching, only 80mph.
Now, Bows for hunting or war are a bit different. I hunt with either a compound bow with a 78lbs draw (45% letoff) which has an arrow speed of about 170mph or a 150lbs compound crossbow, which has an arrow speed of about 260mph Lets see em catch them:)
A thrown knife/axe what have you, only travels around 45-65mph, easy enough to parry of block, but since they tumble...catching...well, odds are you would lose some fingers.
Also, much as I like the movie Big trouble in little china. The knife shown would have about 5% chance of even hitting point first if thrown by an expert, The blade is too light to even go through a skull, unless it was shot from a cannon.
I was just going to say it, but XD said it better.
Quote from: X-D on January 05, 2008, 08:25:12 AM
unless it was shot from a cannon.
Quote from: Rhyden on January 05, 2008, 02:41:45 AM
Kurt Russel is no newb.
Seriously though,
catching might be a bit over the top, but would raising a shield or whatever be so unreal? I'm not sure if it's already done or not, but as far as I can tell, your only hope of not getting hit with an arrow or knife is for the shooter to miss.
I assure you. Thare are other mundane methods of avoiding a knife or arrow other than the attacker missing. Maybe it should be more prevelant, but, there are other ways. You'll discover them as you play longer.
Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on January 05, 2008, 11:38:11 AM
I assure you. Thare are other mundane methods of avoiding a knife or arrow other than the attacker missing. Maybe it should be more prevelant, but, there are other ways. You'll discover them as you play longer.
....Oh....
Alrighty then.
;D
I will just point out that as a newbie, your skills suck. Do not expect to be blocking/parrying arrows, and Find out IC!
For a warrior, trying to parry an arrow is just as hard as an archer (ranger) trying to parry a weapon. Hah Hah Hah.
I once tried to catch 2 arrows at the same time.
Here is my x-ray.
(http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070928/images/cat280.jpg)
Your a cat?
Yes, in Arm.2.
Instead of having it being a regular thing, you could have this as being a possibility (albeit a small one) for people facing really low-skilled with an extremely high skill. (Like reversing disarms, and reversing kicks.) That way, when said person critically misses, you snatch the dagger out of a kink in your armor or out of a nearby plank or... I dunno?
Quote from: Is Friday on January 05, 2008, 11:59:08 PM
Instead of having it being a regular thing, you could have this as being a possibility (albeit a small one) for people facing really low-skilled with an extremely high skill. (Like reversing disarms, and reversing kicks.) That way, when said person critically misses, you snatch the dagger out of a kink in your armor or out of a nearby plank or... I dunno?
Impossible, as noone plays with just one weapon. They never have a free hand.
Quote from: Maybe42or54 on January 06, 2008, 10:42:03 AM
Quote from: Is Friday on January 05, 2008, 11:59:08 PM
Instead of having it being a regular thing, you could have this as being a possibility (albeit a small one) for people facing really low-skilled with an extremely high skill. (Like reversing disarms, and reversing kicks.) That way, when said person critically misses, you snatch the dagger out of a kink in your armor or out of a nearby plank or... I dunno?
Impossible, as noone plays with just one weapon. They never have a free hand.
Okay, restrict it to having a free hand. What's the big deal? It's highly improbable for it to happen, still.
Catching arrows is silly. Except perhaps as a granted skill from an immortal as some famed warrior reaches the apex of his skill. Branching to it, no way. Cheesy.
Besides, catching arrows is what a shield is used for...or Bynner's heads.
Gotta say ... this is a fantasy game, even in it's most mundane fashion. I personally like the idea of a super-maxxed warrior being able to do this. And Super Maxxed Warriorstm are nowhere near as common as you think. It takes 100+ days to max every warrior skill and its branchs. So should a 150 day warrior get it? Seriously, yeh, I say so.
Why don't we all just cut the bullshit out and say that, yes, godly warriors can parry/snatch arrows out of the air?
And by godly, I mean you need to be in the 30+ day range. I have had 10 day warriors who could parry arrows, and I've caught an arrow once.
I've actually seen ultra powerful warriors back in the day snatch more than one arrow out of the air.
It takes an amazing amount of skill, however.
This is a fantasy game, not the real world. Heightened physical attributes and dexterity dictate/infer that yes, at higher levels of training, one could very well likely catch/parry an arrow in flight.
There's an action and reaction time... reaction always being slower. I watched a thing on samurai, and one of their main disciplines was the observation of an opponent's movement. It got so complex as to pinpoint particular muscles of the feet of opponents, and when they tensed, they were moving this way, or that way. Naturally, it was also a main practice to conceal your own muscular tensions and movements.
The idea was that if you acted in response to the moment before the action took place, (the muscle tensing,) you could parry, deflect, disarm, or kill your opponent based not on speed but on foresight.
I'd imagine that if it were possible to catch arrows, it'd be something similar in the observation of movement, not on the reaction to an arrow's flight. I'd fathom it's possible somehow, if not in the way that some people seem to think it is. Of course it's nigh impossible to catch arrows you see it half a second on its 80mph flight to you, unless you see that it's going to be delivered already.
Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on January 07, 2008, 11:38:29 AM
Gotta say ... this is a fantasy game, even in it's most mundane fashion. I personally like the idea of a super-maxxed warrior being able to do this. And Super Maxxed Warriorstm are nowhere near as common as you think. It takes 100+ days to max every warrior skill and its branchs. So should a 150 day warrior get it? Seriously, yeh, I say so.
Honestly a 150 day warrior should be worrying more about his osteoporosis, sciatica, senility, and those whippersnappers always trampling his azalea bushes and always complaining about "Kids these days! Why in my day people had respect for the Highlord!"
Haha.
I'm not to sure that someone, despite watching a direction, could catch a mid-flight arrow. I never use projectiles, so I'm not saying that it would make me mad, but I just think that's a bit too farfetched and grandiloquent.
Quote from: Tomeglow on January 07, 2008, 10:41:22 PM
grandiloquent
I have never heard that word. Right on.
Also, I agree that it is far-fetched, but it would be cool as hell. We don't play Armageddon for reality's sake, so I see no issue with having Beowolf moments.
Monk class ftw.
Crying out in a rather pissy tone with tightly balled, burning fists, the red robed Krathi says, in sirihish, "It's not realistic to catch arrows out of midair!"
Um...That would be a blue dress thankyou.
Quote from: Is Friday on January 07, 2008, 06:31:00 PM
There's an action and reaction time... reaction always being slower. I watched a thing on samurai ... Naturally, it was also a main practice to conceal your own muscular tensions and movements.
Hence the dress-wearing in Aikido? ;D
Quote from: rishenko on January 08, 2008, 07:26:44 AM
Crying out in a rather pissy tone with tightly balled, burning fists, the red robed Krathi says, in sirihish, "It's not realistic to catch arrows out of midair!
You joke, but before they made parrying an projectiles roughly impossible (I saw Davaz miss half of the spears thrown at him once, that scared me), I had a character who was basically an anti-aircraft gun. During the Allanaki occupation of the north he pissed off some townies while he was out raping their land. One archer in particular tried to dump a few arrows into my hide. I promptly knocked them out of the air and give him a good fright. Latter in the day I met him in the tavern and gave him his arrows back with a self satisfied smirk. He promptly stood up and accused me of being a magiker because only a damned magiker could possibly pick arrows out of the air like that.
Personally, I don't mind things being a little fantastic. I never lost sleep when pick pockets stoled a heavy mace from someone's belt, nor when a warrior stood toe to toe with a Mek. As long as the world makes sense within itself, I am content. The ability to be slightly larger than real life isn't a bad thing so long as it is kept in moderation and reserved for the truly exceptional.
My biggest problem with catching arrows is that, while within the (bent) bounds of acceptable realism, it feels cheesy. Personal preference. Not to mention it could cause game balance issues. However, that latter, I'm sure our coders could take into account.
I'm all for making mundanes have a better chance of being a possible threat to magickers. (Yes, I'm trying to hate on magickers.)
I would enjoy this skill.
Quote from: Maybe42or54 on January 08, 2008, 09:29:18 PM
I'm all for making mundanes have a better chance of being a possible threat to magickers. (Yes, I'm trying to hate on magickers.)
I would enjoy this skill.
I don't really get how this would make them more of a threat to magickers. Like... all those magickers that shoot arrows? ???
lol
Catching a bolt of lightning?
Maybe he meant that you could finally team up with your buddy against the magicker, he'd shoot an arrow at you and you'd deflect it toward the magicker for added power. ???
Exactly. If the magicker disarms me, I can have a team of archers keeping me supplied.
Quote from: Armaddict on January 08, 2008, 06:35:21 AM
Monk class ftw.
I demand a Monk class for Arm2. Flurry of Blows and Ki Strike plz.
Should be able to jump through robots like a bullet
The guy in Casshern (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk9fGI90qdM) could do it!
Quote from: Ghost on January 09, 2008, 01:43:53 AM
Should be able to jump through robots like a bullet
The guy in Casshern (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk9fGI90qdM) could do it!
I so expected it to be like "A Hideo Kojima movie."
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on January 09, 2008, 02:58:42 AM
Quote from: Ghost on January 09, 2008, 01:43:53 AM
Should be able to jump through robots like a bullet
The guy in Casshern (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk9fGI90qdM) could do it!
I so expected it to be like "A Hideo Kojima movie."
I dunno, I didn't see anybody getting possessed by their dead brother's amputated arm.
Quote from: Morgenes on January 04, 2008, 11:44:36 PM
sorry, Mythbusters busted that one, cant be done
They would very likely be able to bust many myths in relation to Armageddon based on real world physics ect.....Can people on Myth busters launch fireballs from thier hands? Can people on Myth Busters fall from the Shield Wall and survive? Can people on Myth Busters disprove the existence of completely hairless dwarves or super skinny elves with a penchant for stealing?
While this may unrealstic for Earth...I would love to see it in Zalanthas. We push the envelope anyways, I dont base anything off of real world limitations, because this isnt the real world.
(Not an attack on the origional poster, I think they were joking actually).
I just hate to see people use the excuse..."This is impossible"...Well, so is about %80 of everything already in game, "Impossible" isnt a good excuse for anything in relation to Zalanthas.
Given all of this...Yes, it would rock to be able to have a chance to catch throwing knives, spears, arrows, ect...And I would like to see highly skilled fantasy PC's (Hey! WE ARE THOSE!) have this ability.
Quote from: Forest Junkie on January 07, 2008, 06:12:19 PM
Why don't we all just cut the bullshit out and say that, yes, godly warriors can parry/snatch arrows out of the air?
And by godly, I mean you need to be in the 30+ day range. I have had 10 day warriors who could parry arrows, and I've caught an arrow once.
I've actually seen ultra powerful warriors back in the day snatch more than one arrow out of the air.
It takes an amazing amount of skill, however.
This is a fantasy game, not the real world. Heightened physical attributes and dexterity dictate/infer that yes, at higher levels of training, one could very well likely catch/parry an arrow in flight.
I didnt want to be the guy to say the above, but since FJ already put it in the open....Fucking right! And I would like to see this carried over into 2.Arm.
Internal consistency. Zalanthas still needs laws of physics and what not. You can stretch them to accommodate certain mythic constructs, but at the end of the day you still need that hard base to work on.
If you start randomly repealing laws of physics, it'll becoming extremely hard to rp or exist in the world. Currently, if I see someone leap fifty feet from one building to the next I'd say "Oh look, that person is a magicker, because magick lets you cheat." But when you start randomly undermining that base, suddenly you see someone doing that and you don't know how to react anymore. You don't know what to expect, or what is and isn't reasonable in Zalanthas. It blurs the line between magick and reality.
On an interesting tangent from that, If you want to see magickers stigmatized, allowing any warrior to do magickal acts is certainly not going to help.
Also I like having a hard base of gritty realism because it makes the fantastic more exceptional. It just feels cheesy and silly when some guy that's three hundred pounds of battle scarred bynner starts doing cart wheels and catching arrows in his teeth while throwing daggers with his other hand. But if everyone knows it's impossible to catch arrows, then when that elf magicker stops one with his mind you KNOW you'll be scared.
I hope that's semi-coherent, I'm on my way out the door so I have a limited amount of time to explain it.
Quote from: staggerlee on January 09, 2008, 11:05:04 AM
Internal consistency. Zalanthas still needs laws of physics and what not. You can stretch them to accommodate certain mythic constructs, but at the end of the day you still need that hard base to work on.
If you start randomly repealing laws of physics, it'll becoming extremely hard to rp or exist in the world. Currently, if I see someone leap fifty feet from one building to the next I'd say "Oh look, that person is a magicker, because magick lets you cheat." But when you start randomly undermining that base, suddenly you see someone doing that and you don't know how to react anymore. You don't know what to expect, or what is and isn't reasonable in Zalanthas. It blurs the line between magick and reality.
On an interesting tangent from that, If you want to see magickers stigmatized, allowing any warrior to do magickal acts is certainly not going to help.
Also I like having a hard base of gritty realism because it makes the fantastic more exceptional. It just feels cheesy and silly when some guy that's three hundred pounds of battle scarred bynner starts doing cart wheels and catching arrows in his teeth while throwing daggers with his other hand. But if everyone knows it's impossible to catch arrows, then when that elf magicker stops one with his mind you KNOW you'll be scared.
I hope that's semi-coherent, I'm on my way out the door so I have a limited amount of time to explain it.
I wouldnt want to see a 300 pound Bynner catch an arrow in his teeth, do a cart wheel, and throw a dagger back all at the same time...I agree.
Would I consider seeing a 300 pound Bynner catch an arrow in his hand if he knew it was coming? The same Bynner who can solo fight a creature the size of most small convenience stores and win? Yes, I could handle that.
There are more important things than RL physics in designing and playing an intriguing fantasy game. I don't think it does any violence to the believability of the gameworld if a bad-ass warrior can occasionally swat/snatch projectiles out of the air.
I think it is true to the genre, I think it is true to the image of a hard-case combat warrior, and, properly coded, I don't see what's the big deal.
Seeker
I would favor:
- A parry check for all projectiles, calibrated to their size and speed. All but impossible to parry fast-moving arrows or small, fast-slung rocks.
- A catch check for thrown weapons only, again calibrated per weapon. No catching arrows.
No catching knives or axes either, thats just silly...and certain throwing star type weapons. Spears, Bolo...Sure.
Quote from: brytta.leofa on January 09, 2008, 11:51:15 AM
I would favor:
- A parry check for all projectiles, calibrated to their size and speed. All but impossible to parry fast-moving arrows or small, fast-slung rocks.
- A catch check for thrown weapons only, again calibrated per weapon. No catching arrows.
I find that strange, I have never seen a knife or spear that was thrown get caught by a human being....I have however seen many arrows get caught out of the air....Even on Zalanthas I would think that RL probability would carry over to Zalanthan probability.
I wouldnt mind seeing thrown weapons, such as knives and axes get caught, but I would definantly see arrows, things that get caught even by meager Earth humans, have a chance of getting caught by fantasy super warriors.
Edited to Add:
I agree with X-D, it SHOULD be harder to catch axes and throwing stars, for obvious reasons....But if we codedly make it impossible to catch a throwing axe or throwing star, ALL assassins will eventually start ONLY carrying those weapons, instead of knives, because they know codedly they trump knives.
A little bit of RL, just for comparison.
Arrows move MUCH faster than thrown knives. I've caught the latter before, once (not thrown directly at my body, thanks).
Quote from: Troicha on January 09, 2008, 12:30:45 PM
Arrows move MUCH faster than thrown knives. I've caught the latter before, once (not thrown directly at my body, thanks).
But considering it moves tumbling along, how do you pick which side you are about to catch it? Flying that fast, if you catch it by the blade that will result in negative hp.
On topic: I am in favor of catching projectiles. So a guy can parry/block arrows, what is the big deal?
Quote from: Troicha on January 09, 2008, 12:30:45 PM
A little bit of RL, just for comparison.
Arrows move MUCH faster than thrown knives. I've caught the latter before, once (not thrown directly at my body, thanks).
I have had a younger cousin of mine shoot target (blunted aluminum arrows) arrows and have caught them myself (not fired directly at me, but still, a fucking bad idea I know), granted this was from a junior weight bow...but I was a stupid 12 year old skinny white kid...and not a uber badass super muscular warrior of desert doom...So I think it balances out for comparison to Zalanthas.
Before anyone asks, yes as a kid I watched Xena Warrior Princess all of the time, which gave me this idea...and I have to say I got pretty fucking good at it for a kid. I never did get the balls to actually have one shot directly at me though, and I was lucky to never take a hit from a stray shot either.
I have also seen a over-weight cracker with glasses catch arrows shot from hunting weight bows, many times.
I personally have never seen anyone catch a throwing knife, but I'm sure it can be done with some degree of skill, if not luck.
On Zalanthas, I'm sure both can be done...I'm just saying that the one that happens ALL of the time IRL, would probably happen alot more on Zalanthas as well. Meaning, arrows are easier to catch than throwing knives IRL, atleast for
Fired from what kind of bow?
There is a HUGE difference between an arrow traveling at 80mph and one at near 200mph. 12th centery english longbows could fire around 180mph. NOBODY, can catch that other then it sticking in them.
Catching arrows is just plain ridiculous. End of story. Next idea please.
Quote from: Seeker on January 09, 2008, 11:37:08 AM
There are more important things than RL physics in designing and playing an intriguing fantasy game. I don't think it does any violence to the believability of the gameworld if a bad-ass warrior can occasionally swat/snatch projectiles out of the air.
I think it is true to the genre, I think it is true to the image of a hard-case combat warrior, and, properly coded, I don't see what's the big deal.
QFT.
Quote from: X-D on January 09, 2008, 12:48:52 PM
Fired from what kind of bow?
There is a HUGE difference between an arrow traveling at 80mph and one at near 200mph. 12th centery english longbows could fire around 180mph. NOBODY, can catch that other then it sticking in them.
There is likely a HUGE difference between a buffalo standing just larger than your average mid-size car and a bahamet standing just larger than your average Wal-Mart Super Store...But we still have warriors with the ability to solo them with primative weapons in Zalanthas.
So my answer would be, NOBODY who is not an uber fantasy warrior could catch "that" other then it sticking in them. Luckily we have the ability to make uber fantasy warriors in Zalanthas, because it isnt Earth.
Quote from: Malken on January 09, 2008, 01:39:39 PM
Catching arrows is just plain ridiculous. End of story. Next idea please.
You are wrong. Idea still open.
Edited to add: I feel like a silly douche bag putting in a vauge one liner as a response to someone's post, so I did the intelligent thing and came up with a compromise.
We all agree that arrows can be caught out of the air, atleast if shot from lower powered bows.
I would argue that you only have real life physics to go off of, but I wont, I will agree and say that a Zalanthan fantasy warrior CANT catch an arrow going 180mph.
Earth humans CAN catch arrows going 135mph. Infact a man holds the record for catching over 10, all going atleast 135 mph in one minute, from two separate archers.
So my compromise would be that the "targets" would only have a chance of catching arrows shot from the less powerful bows, the slender weaker longbows, the shortbows...so on and so forth. They wouldnt have a chance of bare hand catching arrows shot from powerful longbows, like the before mentioned 12th century English longbows.
There, a good compromise that should make everyone happy yes?
I like the way you're going with it honestly, not because I think it needs to be nerfed (having an empty hand where you could have a shield seems like a pretty big nerf already) but because, as you point out, it demonstrates that thought's been put into how it works in relation to the world.
And that is a pretty slick compromise... leaving extremely competent archers able to remain just that, while giving really badass warriors the chance to show off too.
Within the proper limitations, I think it'd be a rare thing that only a very few quick and competent warriors would ever specialize in. And that could be pretty cool.
Quote from: staggerlee on January 09, 2008, 03:12:16 PM
I like the way you're going with it honestly, not because I think it needs to be nerfed (having an empty hand where you could have a shield seems like a pretty big nerf already) but because, as you point out, it demonstrates that thought's been put into how it works in relation to the world.
And that is a pretty slick compromise... leaving extremely competent archers able to remain just that, while giving really badass warriors the chance to show off too.
Within the proper limitations, I think it'd be a rare thing that only a very few quick and competent warriors would ever specialize in. And that could be pretty cool.
I do agree, I wouldnt want to see every Amos Warrior snatching up arrows like they were tennis balls, only those who have truly become badass.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=catching+arrows
Apparently it CAN be done, well that solves that question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLj8eK814o0
I think that one would also solve the problem of "Too Powerful"...or..."Too Fast" arrows...The shooter is using a major compound bow.
Quote from: Desertman on January 09, 2008, 08:16:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLj8eK814o0
I think that one would also solve the problem of "Too Powerful"...or..."Too Fast" arrows...The shooter is using a major compound bow.
He wasn't pulling the full draw on that bow. It was "only" going about 100 mph, which I am pretty sure the max for a compound bow. That said, I imagine 100 probably is not too far off for non-compound crude Zalanthian bow. It should also be pointed out that he wasn't being shot at and wasn't using it as a defensive maneuver. I am pretty sure he would have been dead if the archer had been aiming at him. Of course, like I said, it is all a moot point. Arrow catching might be a little silly, but I don't mind bending reality a little to allow powerful warriors, master thieves, and artful bowmen.
On a slight derail, that girl is so god damn annoying with her brain dead air head act that I was wishing for an arrow to catch her between the eyes... or at least in the leg or something.
I said it before, I will say it again, The bow in question is not a hunting bow. If it has more then 35lbs pull I'd be very suprised.
Compound does not mean its powerful, Actually, You can take one bow, with a draw of say 60lbs, change the pulleys, put on a 2 inch longer string and poof, its a 20lbs bow.
As to the max speed of an arrow fired from a compound bow Rindan, You can EASILY break 200mph...Though most people hunt with ones shooting around 160-180mph.
Again. Catching arrows that are meant to kill you is simply silly, with the possibility being so low that you have a better chance of winning the lotto three weeks straight.`
These guys practice for a very long time with the archer NOT aiming for them.
I tell you right now, you take ANY, ALL of the people who catch arrows, stand them 50 feet away from somebody who hunts deer with a bow, have him try to hit them, and they try and catch, And I bet you that every single one of them will fail every single time...or for as long as they live.
Quote from: X-D on January 10, 2008, 08:43:50 AM
Again. Catching arrows that are meant to kill you is simply silly, with the possibility being so low that you have a better chance of winning the lotto three weeks straight.`
To make this a valid point, you would need to prove that catching arrows that are meant to kill you is simply silly for a uber godly fantasy warrior of doom on a fantasy desert planet...Which might be slightly hard to get actual proof on, unless you have a control and variable subject on both standing by ready to complete multiple trials.
I will agree with you that if that guy stood infront of those shots, the bitch would be dead...Sadly, he is a fat cracker, and as such really only serves as the closest thing I can find to a RL comparison...So, take his fat cracker skills...multiply that by...10 maybe?...Take the power of that bow being shot...multiple that by 10...That would be a more accurate comparison for a Zalanthan uber fantasy warrior trying to catch an arrow shot from a Zalanthan fantasy bow in an environment being affected by Zalanthan planet physics.
But neither one of us can prove either one of our points...Because neither one of us have any hard proof on the physics of Zalanthas.
We are basically argueing over what my imagination thinks is possible and what your imagination thinks is possible...Can you imagine that? Now that is silly...luckily, we are nerds and as such we are allowed to argue over something neither one of us has any proof on.
The best way to do this would be say....
I personally imagine that in Zalanthas a Zalanthan fantasy warrior would have the degree of skill needed to catch a Zalanthan arrow being aimed at him in a world affected by make-believe Zalanthan physics.
And you would say....
I personally imagine that in Zalanthas a Zalanthan fantasy warrior would not have the degree of skill needed to catch a Zalanthan arrow being aimed at him in a world affected by make-believe Zalanthan physics.
Then what would we have to say then?
Would one of us then say..."No, you arent allowed to have that in your imagination?"
Of course not....
The only conclusion either of us could reach which would keep us from going in circles is....
"Lets let the IMM's decide based on what thier imaginations can imagine"
And since one other poster by the name of Forest Junkie has already claimed that catching arrows is already possible in 1.Arm, having witnessed this first hand, it would appear that atleast for 1.Arm the IMM's imagined exactly what I imagine.
The question is...Will they continue to imagine this for 2.Arm?
Nowhere in my 235 Savage Sword of Conan comics, my Coming of Conan the Cimmerian book, my Conquering Sword of Conan book, my Bloody Crown of Conan book, and my 48 Conan Dark Horse comic books do I ever see Conan attempt to catch an arrow that is fired at him, he always uses his shield or rolls out of harm's way then charges at the archer.
There, I just proved to you that catching arrows is simply silly even for a uber godly fantasy warrior of doom ;D
Quote from: Malken on January 10, 2008, 12:30:15 PM
Nowhere in my 235 Savage Sword of Conan comics, my Coming of Conan the Cimmerian book, my Conquering Sword of Conan book, my Bloody Crown of Conan book, and my 48 Conan Dark Horse comic books do I ever see Conan attempt to catch an arrow that is fired at him, he always uses his shield or rolls out of harm's way then charges at the archer.
There, I just proved to you that catching arrows is simply silly even for a uber godly fantasy warrior of doom ;D
Xena Warrior Princess does it, and I would argue that her skill exceeds that of Conan, she has obviously branched higher than he has, so you have only proved that Conan would get his ass handed to him by Xena.
Which dissapoints me, because I like Conan more.
I would also note that Hercules did this a few times as well...But he was a half-god...So that would only justify Immortal Avatars having the arrow catching ability.
Quote from: Desertman on January 10, 2008, 12:32:04 PM
Xena Warrior Princess does it, and I would argue that her skill exceeds that of Conan, she has obviously branched higher than he has, so you have only proved that Conan would get his ass handed to him by Xena.
Which dissapoints me, because I like Conan more.
That's only true if you find me one PC who has taken on Tektolnes or Muk Utep by themselves and killed them. That would be Xena. Xena killed gods, can you find me the equivalent of a Xena PC?
All the strong, legendary PCs we've had are more like Conan. A Conan-like warrior is the top you should hope for, skill wise.
Bela the Butcher. Game. Set. Match.
o-O;;
This thread is still alive?
Sweet....
Here's my thoughts on the matter.... Zalanthas is a completely different world from ours. Different planet, different suns, different solar system, galaxy, universe, whatever. Physics on Zalanthas isn't exactly on par with here on Earth.... As Desertman has pointed out, there are uber-warriors soloing monsters the size of a local convenience store, and people who can hurl lightningbolts out of their hands, and surviving falls from the edge of massive cliffs.... I don't think a well-trained warrior managing to swat an arrow out of the air, or catching a thrown knife (by the blade if need be. Better a cut on the hand than having a knife in the eye) is too far fetched to fit in.
Quote from: Malken on January 10, 2008, 12:39:44 PM
Quote from: Desertman on January 10, 2008, 12:32:04 PM
Xena Warrior Princess does it, and I would argue that her skill exceeds that of Conan, she has obviously branched higher than he has, so you have only proved that Conan would get his ass handed to him by Xena.
Which dissapoints me, because I like Conan more.
That's only true if you find me one PC who has taken on Tektolnes or Muk Utep by themselves and killed them. That would be Xena. Xena killed gods, can you find me the equivalent of a Xena PC?
All the strong, legendary PCs we've had are more like Conan. A Conan-like warrior is the top you should hope for, skill wise.
Xena was only able to kill Gods after she was granted the power to kill them by The One God (The Christian God, for all purposes, though they never named him in the series, they hinted at who The One God was)....So the equivelant would be a regular PC noble (princess) who trained to be a badass warrior, left her House to raid and pillage, became an uber badass warrior who could catch arrows (She was catching them within the first two shows of the series) and then MUCH later on gained the ability to kill Gods.
Muk and Tek arent gods though, they are extremely powerful sorcerers....perhaps no more powerful than the sorcerers that Conan killed on a regular basis.
Quote from: Desertman on January 10, 2008, 03:45:07 PM
Muk and Tek arent gods though, they are extremely powerful sorcerers....perhaps no more powerful than the sorcerers that Conan killed on a regular basis.
Blasphemy!
Seriously though, Tek or Muk would kick Conan's ass in their sleep. Though perhaps that's not precisely a fair handicap, considering Muk's had a lot of practice in that state.
This thread has progressed beyond the realms of nerdiness.
Quote from: Troicha on January 10, 2008, 03:51:45 PM
Quote from: Desertman on January 10, 2008, 03:45:07 PM
Muk and Tek arent gods though, they are extremely powerful sorcerers....perhaps no more powerful than the sorcerers that Conan killed on a regular basis.
Blasphemy!
Seriously though, Tek or Muk would kick Conan's ass in their sleep. Though perhaps that's not precisely a fair handicap, considering Muk's had a lot of practice in that state.
How can you say that? It's so obvious that they made Muk Utep to be Conan!
Tektolnes is to Muk Utep what Thoth-Amon is to Conan.
Every day I see this topic has more posts, I'm always like; "What? This topic has more posts?"
On my last Post Dman, I was not arguing that it is silly in a fantasy environment.
I stated that Its just silly, and said line up everybody that thinks they can do it:)
Myself, I really would not want to see it in game, Its pretty cheesy.
But, I'd not scream and holler either, Because its not something you would ever see happen.
Hey Amos...Why do you only have your sword out?
Just in case somebody shoots at me, I might be able to catch it!
Couple days later.
Hey, where is Amos?
Oh, he is dead, Did not have his shield ready and a tembo ate him.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on January 10, 2008, 10:53:05 PM
Every day I see this topic has more posts, I'm always like; "What? This topic has more posts?"
xD
Same here.... o-O;;
Quote from: X-D on January 11, 2008, 04:57:34 AM
I stated that Its just silly, and said line up everybody that thinks they can do it:)
Thrain Ironsword
Shatuka
Sujaal
Bella
Amurak (Zak)
Zak
Taluvino
The list goes on and on, these are just the uber badasses who would have this ability that I have encountered.
So if this is already IG, why continue to talk about wanting it IG? LET THIS TOPIC DIE, PLEASE.
Because DM is either dense or likes to bait me first of all, and second, Its not (rolls eyes)
Real people DM.
And even out of the ones that you mentioned...Only Sujaal was really that good.
Quote from: X-D on January 11, 2008, 04:57:34 AM
On my last Post Dman, I was not arguing that it is silly in a fantasy environment.
I agree, it is silly for a RL environment, but I dont know why that would matter. On that same note, I would like point out that I think George Bush being a sorcerer king would be silly...that statement serves just about as much relevence to the topic.
I stated that Its just silly, and said line up everybody that thinks they can do it:)
Now that I see you were referring to RL people, I dont know any. But still, serves no relevence.
Myself, I really would not want to see it in game, Its pretty cheesy.
Granted.
But, I'd not scream and holler either, Because its not something you would ever see happen.
I have been shot without a weapon out by more desert elves than you can possibly imagine. Just recently, twice in the same RL week as a matter of fact.
Hey Amos...Why do you only have your sword out?
Because I am sitting in a cave crafting with my hammer and chisel out.
or...
I am sitting in a grove carving wood with my woodworking knife out.
or...
Because I just got disarmed, had to flee, and now they are popping arrows into me.
or...
Because my obsidian sword just shattered against that giant's shield, and now I am running from those fucking human archer friends of his.
Just in case somebody shoots at me, I might be able to catch it!
No, the above scenarios, all of which have happened to me personally, some more than a few times, fit the reasoning much better.
Couple days later.
Hey, where is Amos?
Oh, he is dead, Did not have his shield ready and a tembo ate him.
This has happened to me too. Except it was a pair of halflings, I had one sword out, and was like WTF? Why am I getting pwned so bad, then I realized I had never equipped my shield and was still wearing it on my back.
Quote from: Troicha on January 11, 2008, 09:39:56 AM
So if this is already IG, why continue to talk about wanting it IG? LET THIS TOPIC DIE, PLEASE.
I have never witnessed this first hand...and even so...I am argueing to get this into 2.Arm, if that means creating it, or simply making sure it is carried over (if it already exists), that is what I am an advocate for.
Quote from: X-D on January 11, 2008, 09:46:50 AM
Because DM is either dense or likes to bait me first of all, and second, Its not (rolls eyes)
Both, and unless you are an IMM, you dont know anything in reference to that last statement except you havent personally witnessed it. You are making claims you cant back up. (offers two winks, a half a whistle, and a quarter of an eye roll)
Real people DM.
I still cant figure out why Real People would serve any sort of importance to this topic, we arent talking about real people, we are talking about fantasy warriors.
And even out of the ones that you mentioned...Only Sujaal was really that good.
Again, something that is simply an opinion. It might be my opinion that Thrain and Bella were both at adequate skill levels to catch arrows, and that Sujaal far exceeded the skill level needed.
At any length, atleast you admit Sujaal was good enough to catch arrows, and by doing so admit catching arrows would be possible, because you admitted someone had the skill level in your opinion to do so.
I would also like to note that I like this new DM trend I am seeing for my name.
Makes me feel like a 24/7 Dungeon Master.
And for all of you wondering...YES, I can do this all day for weeks on end, I have a boring job where I can just sit and refresh this screen and pick apart posts...Its childish, silly, (mostly because we are both argueing over something neither of us can prove, and so neither one of us will ever win) and just stupid. But you know what? Its more entertaining than my job, so you guys have me for 8 wonderful hours a day....
Same here, Cept I'm simply too lazy to pick apart posts, But I can reply a bunch...WOOT.
As to knowing its not in game currently...Well, I suppose that you are correct, I can't know for 100% sure. But with playing 100% PCs that fight (not always with weapons) and in the last 15 years, Never seeing it happen even once out of Many Thousands of shots that I've witnessed...You know what, Its not In game.
There's a fine line between unrealistic badass and unrealistic silly, and I think this steps well over it.
Perhaps only make it possible for characters with absolutely incredible agility and very poor wisdom? ;)
Quote from: X-D on January 11, 2008, 11:10:57 AM
Same here, Cept I'm simply too lazy to pick apart posts, But I can reply a bunch...WOOT.
As to knowing its not in game currently...Well, I suppose that you are correct, I can't know for 100% sure. But with playing 100% PCs that fight (not always with weapons) and in the last 15 years, Never seeing it happen even once out of Many Thousands of shots that I've witnessed...You know what, Its not In game.
No, the correct answer would be, "I'm not sure if its in game, and if it is, the probability is very low"....not.."Its not in game".
I do agree that it PROBABLY is not in game, and I am ASSUMING it is not, so for all apparent purposes, you and I agree on this issue...The probability that this feature is in game is definantly on the far side of the NO scale. But, you dont know, and neither do I, so taking the stand point that "Its not in game" is just disrespectful to those people who believe it might be, and a slap in the face to FJ, who says he has witnessed it first hand. Did you ever consider that maybe the IMM's agree with you? Maybe you are 100% correct that this is SUPER CHEESY and stupid, but the IMM's threw in a .00000000000001% that it will occur, just for giggles, and FJ happened to be there for it despite all odds? I am giving FJ the benefit of the doubt, because I am not 100% certain, and am trying to show a slight amount of common courtesy towards him.
I know him IRL, taught him how to play the game when we were in school, and the little ass fuck is probably lieing just to piss people off...But still, he hasnt admitted this to me yet.
And FJ (Derek), incase you were wondering...Yes, I made my avatar Jesus just to irk you. BWAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHA....I am an alcoholic dinosaur rapist, and I have your GOD as my avatar! Take it in the butt!
Quote from: flurry on January 11, 2008, 11:21:42 AM
There's a fine line between unrealistic badass and unrealistic silly, and I think this steps well over it.
Perhaps only make it possible for characters with absolutely incredible agility and very poor wisdom? ;)
I personally believe that letting at 160lb warrior with a crude bone sword single handedly beat the shit out of a armored creature the size of a food chain store is "unrealistic silly", but that does not prevent the IMM's from putting it in, so I am just being hopeful.
I have seen someone knock an arrow out of the way IG before. I forget who it was.
It was cool and unexpected.
Quote from: Dusky on January 11, 2008, 12:03:35 PM
I have seen someone knock an arrow out of the way IG before. I forget who it was.
It was cool and unexpected.
Yeah, it is possible to knock them out of the way, I have personally done this a few times myself.
Quote from: Morgenes on January 04, 2008, 11:44:36 PM
sorry, Mythbusters busted that one, cant be done
The torso is pretty good at catching them.
Quote from: Desertman on January 11, 2008, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: Dusky on January 11, 2008, 12:03:35 PM
I have seen someone knock an arrow out of the way IG before. I forget who it was.
It was cool and unexpected.
Yeah, it is possible to knock them out of the way, I have personally done this a few times myself.
Its very possible and "easy" in some cases. With that said, you'd have to find the rest out ICly.