Quote from: Cerelum on January 29, 2008, 02:30:12 PM

Quote from: Gimfalisette on January 29, 2008, 02:13:44 PM
Or, alternately, you can change your PC's interests and personality so that what you want to find out, your character is motivated to find out. People do change. Characters can too.

Unless they are a dwarf

J-Rod

Nonsense.  It's perfectly reasonable that a dwarf's interest may suddenly shift towards magick, sorcery, or some other new subject if they decide such knowledge/power could eventually help them complete their focus.

Quote from: Gimfalisette on January 29, 2008, 02:13:44 PM
What if I, the player, am interested in learning more about the Nilazi guild? Should I ask on the forums? Should I try to find out IC?

I always thought that this depends on whether the thing you wanna know would be common knowledge. The notion that, say, shields can block arrows; that bigger shields block arrows better than smaller ones; and that the better you are at using a shield, the better you are at ... using a shield, don't seem to be more than common knowledge. In fact, that's one reason I asked here. Because even if you -couldn't- block an arrow with a shield due to some code issue, I'd expect other PCs to tell mine, 'Of course a shield can block an arrow, you idiot! You think they can fly right through kank-shell? You gotta hold them high, like this. Present a smaller target.'

There are code limitations that only make sense OOC. Can be hard for a newbie to know which of the limitations in-game are for IC reasons, and which for OOC reasons.

Quote from: Gimfalisette on January 29, 2008, 02:13:44 PMSometimes you just have to curb your interest for the sake of the game, other players, and yourself too.

This is why I apologized.

Quote from: Gimfalisette on January 29, 2008, 02:13:44 PMOr, alternately, you can change your PC's interests and personality so that what you want to find out, your character is motivated to find out. People do change. Characters can too.

I hope I never change a character to satisfy an OOC curiosity.

Rarsh just put to words what my feeble mind could not. Thanks Rarsh, that was exactly what I was trying to post for the past twenty minutes, but couldn't word correctly.

Quote from: Rarsh on January 29, 2008, 02:43:54 PM
I always thought that this depends on whether the thing you wanna know would be common knowledge.

If it's not in the help files, then you don't have any way of knowing whether it is common knowledge or not. Even if it IS in the help files, it still may not be common knowledge. Even if it is common knowledge, maybe your character doesn't know it, or shouldn't know it. Here you have gone and asked something that is not common knowledge either inside or outside the game, AND is not something your character should know without asking ICly.

Stuff like this just should not be asked on the forums. Period. Email the imms if you want to know, so they can decide whether to inform you.

Otherwise, sorry, but if you're not ever going to be willing to change your character due to an OOC curiosity, then you are going to have to be willing to remain unsatisfied, and probably sometimes bored. Too much "sacredness of character concept" will trap you in a box, eventually. But that's another topic.

Quote from: Rarsh on January 29, 2008, 02:43:54 PM
I hope I never change a character to satisfy an OOC curiosity.

Our characters are created in the first place to satisfy our own out-of-character motivations--a role that we think would be fun to play, for whatever reason.  It's okay for the creative process of character design to continue through the character's lifetime, as long as it's not unrealistic for the setting or self-contradictory.

We work within some fairly strict guidelines, but we're writing a story, not a history.

Well, Gimf, what Rarsh originally -suggested- is that it would be cool if shields could block arrows. He didn't -ask- if you can be an arrow catcher with your shield.
Rarsh, it is a great idea, but you are late, it is already in the game.

More on this in the thread you created, Gimf.

Quote from: brytta.leofa on January 29, 2008, 02:58:58 PM
We work within some fairly strict guidelines, but we're writing a story, not a history.

I'm novelist by profession, believe me, I know about writing stories!

And of course a character can, and should, evolve. But--to me at least (I didn't say I hope nobody -else- ever changes a character to satisfy OOC curiosity!)--a player directing that change for reasons of OOC curiosity is an egregious case of authorial intrusion. Like when you're reading a novel and suddenly it veers into a political screed, grinding some personal axe of the author's. It's inelegant. I personally dislike it and hope I avoid the temptation; that's all I'm saying.

I'm surprised this isn't in the help files, actually.

We are not surprised that it is not in the help files.



Because we didn't put it there.

-Staff.

Did you email the imms to find out whether they consider it IC or advanced code information?

Quote from: jstorrie on January 29, 2008, 03:18:05 PM
I'm surprised this isn't in the help files, actually.

[IC info]

So use the request tool to petition the imms to include it, instead of writing it on the GDB.

I don't see how it can possibly be secret info that putting a large object between you and arrows will keep the arrows from hitting you.

Quote from: jstorrie on January 29, 2008, 03:44:55 PM
I don't see how it can possibly be secret info that putting a large object between you and arrows will keep the arrows from hitting you.

Agreed?  Can we maybe agree that the last few outbreaks of moderation are a bit outta hand?

If you shoot an arrow at me, and I have a big thick ass piece of wood held up, chances are I'm going to deflect or block that arrow.

J-Rod.

I do agree. I guess the staff do not, and I am not interested in derailing this thread with a discussion of whether some moderation is draconian or not, so instead I will just say this: shields have been traditionally used by armies on earth to defend against ranged attacks. Armageddon is generally coded so that the basics follow common sense. And the helpfiles on parry and shield use do say that using a shield will help you block incoming blows, and don't specify that ranged attacks are excluded from that. So if you come under fire from archers, spearchuckers or whatever and can't get cover, the reasonable thing to do would be to get behind a solid shield.

Quote from: jstorrie on January 29, 2008, 04:06:26 PM
I do agree. I guess the staff do not, and I am not interested in derailing this thread with a discussion of whether some moderation is draconian or not, so instead I will just say this: shields have been traditionally used by armies on earth to defend against ranged attacks. Armageddon is generally coded so that the basics follow common sense. And the helpfiles on parry and shield use do say that using a shield will help you block incoming blows, and don't specify that ranged attacks are excluded from that. So if you come under fire from archers, spearchuckers or whatever and can't get cover, the reasonable thing to do would be to get behind a solid shield.

I heartily approve this post.

Re: OOC curiousities and finding out IC vs. OOC...

There's plenty of stuff I the player am OOCly curious about. Some of it impacts or affects my character, a lot doesn't. The stuff that does, I can find out ICly with him, if I make an effort. For the rest.. well.. I'd rather just wait and find out with another PC. Not every character can uncover everything, and since we the players interact with the game through our characters, sometimes we just gotta wait.

Patience is a virtue.

Quote from: Fathi on January 29, 2008, 12:17:23 PM

Quote from: IntuitiveApathy on January 29, 2008, 03:32:12 AM
I'm really in favour of having any code that damages armour put in/jacked up.

As it stands, armour can stand up to crazy stupid sorts of attacks and take no/minimal damage the majority of the time.

There are all sorts of benefits for having more fragile armour: making the subclasses that get armour repair useful, creating demand for armour repairing materials/tools, people being able to buy/sell busted armour for cheaper, grittier atmosphere, etc.

So yeah, I'm for arrows sticking in your shield.  Or in your helm, boot, codpiece.  Or cracking that fancy breastplate down the middle.

I'd like this idea a lot more if a lot of the armour repair recipes weren't a little restrictive.

You have a used shield made from a gurth shell. In order to repair that shield, you need... a whole gurth shell? I'd love to see more patches and resins and sloppier attempts to fix things rather than "you replace the entire front of your shield and it's basically a whole new shield with no damage whatsoever."

Absolutely!  Imagine if you could take that cracked gurth shell shield and use the spare piece of kank chitin you've got to fix it up and end up with a gurth shell shield patched with kank chitin?  The patched shield might not be as strong as a brand new one, but it's a lot better than what you had before.  Resins, replacement parts, evidence of stitching.. there's all sorts of places we could go.

Nevermind. I was silly.

Someone made a good point about the 6 directions you could get hit from earlier..and the watch skill, seems to make sense... although you could be watching north and shielding east against that spear throwing raider.

I made that point.

But for all I know, it might already be in the code. 

I just know I'm going to be walking in the desert one day soon to see a bynner shooting an arrow at another bynner and then scream:

Bynner with bow: Told ya you couldn't block it!  Hahaha, ain't that funny Smudge?  Smudge...  Smudge!!!  Oh no, I better get that arrow outta him before the sergeant sees it.

J-Rod

Quote from: jstorrie on January 29, 2008, 04:06:26 PM
I do agree. I guess the staff do not, and I am not interested in derailing this thread with a discussion of whether some moderation is draconian or not, so instead I will just say this: shields have been traditionally used by armies on earth to defend against ranged attacks. Armageddon is generally coded so that the basics follow common sense. And the helpfiles on parry and shield use do say that using a shield will help you block incoming blows, and don't specify that ranged attacks are excluded from that. So if you come under fire from archers, spearchuckers or whatever and can't get cover, the reasonable thing to do would be to get behind a solid shield.

QFT.

Common sense should not be "IC".

Quote from: jstorrie on January 29, 2008, 04:06:26 PM
QFT.

Common sense should not be "IC".

I often feel like we are yelled at because of this.  Common Sense is not IC.  I feel that just because some people can't make small leaps in logic to fill in the gaps, don't yell at the rest of us cause we are smarter...

J-Rod

Definitely don't take it as 'yelled at'. Every interaction I've had with the staff, both ICly and OOCly, has been polite, courteous, and professional.

That said, I don't always agree.

Quote from: Cerelum on January 30, 2008, 11:40:54 AM

Quote from: jstorrie on January 29, 2008, 04:06:26 PM
QFT.

Common sense should not be "IC".

I often feel like we are yelled at because of this.  Common Sense is not IC.  I feel that just because some people can't make small leaps in logic to fill in the gaps, don't yell at the rest of us cause we are smarter...

J-Rod

You have certainly not be yelled at. The staff is very much so courteous and very forgiving in terms of how they moderate. And I don't think I would appreciate the general 'piss and moan' attitude that you keep giving them. The staff are not out to get you, believe it or not. They are here to help.

That said I agree completely with Jstorrie.

Quote from: RogueGunslinger on January 30, 2008, 12:49:09 PM

Quote from: Cerelum on January 30, 2008, 11:40:54 AM

Quote from: jstorrie on January 29, 2008, 04:06:26 PM
QFT.

Common sense should not be "IC".

I often feel like we are yelled at because of this.  Common Sense is not IC.  I feel that just because some people can't make small leaps in logic to fill in the gaps, don't yell at the rest of us cause we are smarter...

J-Rod

You have certainly not be yelled at. The staff is very much so courteous and very forgiving in terms of how they moderate. And I don't think I would appreciate the general 'piss and moan' attitude that you keep giving them. The staff are not out to get you, believe it or not. They are here to help.

That said I agree completely with Jstorrie.

Oh yeah?!  Sanvean called me a dick in an e-mail.  And Nyx said he hoped I died!

Totally joking...

J-Rod