Could you give me a chance to say something??

[sarahjc]

I hate it when I feel rushed to say something by another player.. It drives me nuts.. Last night I was on and ended up making tons of typos.. my play was abhorrent at best..  This was partially due to the fact that I was really tired, but also that I was rushed to try and keep up with another player..

To me, nothing is more irritating than when the conversation falls two steps behind because I am typing out my well written phrase and then hit enter only to look up and see that the other person has said two things before my character has even sputtered out a word. And what my character said is now out of place, due to the other persons last two machine gunned out says..

Then it gets worse because I start to rush and keep up, I stop proof reading and then the typo's begin..

I normally give at least two minutes before type my next say.. And I tend to have much better role play with those that I don't have to rush with. It's like talking to my mother... :?

Any opinions?? Comments??..

[Candi]

They probably don't mean anything by it.  I might be guilty of doing this, but it's just because I type quickly and I often forget that it may take another person a little bit longer, whether it is because they might be sleepy or whatever the reason.  :oops:  I know that if I were aware that it was frustrating to someone else, I would slow down right away.  But I have to admit that when I get into the game, I can get on a roll and just go with it.  
I'll try to watch myself from now on, however.  It honestly never occured to me to consider it before reading your post.  Sorry, if I've done that to anyone.  :?

[Fast Talker]

*raises hand* I may be the guilty party for this one, if memory serves.  I'll try to be more patient next time.

[mansa]

Sometimes, it's the style of play that certain characters have.  I know some of the more influencial leaders of the game type way too fast, and overpower all the youngings, and therefore have their voice heard over everybody else.

[Larrath]

alias "heywait" say (with a somewhat irritated expression) Hey, if you want me to answer you then don't talk too fast!

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

alias "heywait" say (with a somewhat irritated expression) Hey, if you want me to answer you then don't talk too fast!

Alias No.
say (slowly narrowing his eyes and tilting his head) Don't speak over me, peon.

Slowly narrowing his eyes and tilting his head, the grey-eyed templar says, in sirihish:
"-What- did you just say to me?"

[Ayashah]

There's two ends to that stick though. Some that rush rush rush and give you a raised brow with a "Well??" when only a small amt of time has passed by. Especially when they are questioning your pc and it might be a touchy situation that you want to answer correctly to. I learned quickly who those people were and before even THINKING to type up an answer I would emote something like : emote holding up a finger, @ draws in a breath.  Then I would type out my answer. But I do LOVE the suggestion of the alias with the irritated look.  *snickers*

But then you have people that, though they rp beautifully, they take a good 5 RL minutes to put their answer together. No exaggeration. I once got up, went upstairs, used the facilities, checked on the kids, got a drink of water, came back down and the answer hadnt hit the screen. It wasnt just me. After my pc was no longer around, I gabbed once with another that had died in that clan. The first thing mentioned was "Do you remember <insert name>?? OMG I would avoid that pc because a conversation that should take 10mins tops RL took an hour!"

[Anonymous]

"Do you remember <insert name>?? OMG I would avoid that pc because a conversation that should take 10mins tops RL took an hour!"

I wouldn't be surprised if you and I are referring to the exact same person.  There are some people who can type fast enough to pull off a nice:

say (something cool about the way they move their hair, the light hits their eyes and their bosoms bounce) Some really cool dialogue that gets truncat..

And there are some who just flat out cannot type fast enough to make that work.  When conversations really get flowing, I become very intent on my dialogue and very spartan in emotes and flavor text for the say and tell commands.  I'm more interested in what my PC and your PC have to say than how a hand falls over a bulging crotch.  That's not to say that stuff isn't cool, flavor is awesome, but there needs to be a line drawn because after a while it stops being a conversation and starts feeling like player attrition.

Not every bit of dialogue or every emote needs be a work of art.  If you can pull it off, more power to you, but 3 minutes per response is a pretty good way to ensure that as a player I'll avoid interaction with you when possible.

[Gilvar]

I normally give at least two minutes before type my next say.. And I tend to have much better role play with those that I don't have to rush with. It's like talking to my mother...

Far too long for me. Unless the situation was extremely nescessary I'd probably walk away or shift my attention elsewhere.

I'd say that I've written this entire post in less then one minute, so I'd think that two would be hell, just staring at an open spot waiting for a response.

Though as the saying goes, slow and steady wins the race... But I personally couldn't take it.

[jmordetsky]

There is a happy medium, but worse case if you're getting cut off alot...just RP it.

Get IC annoyed, be like,

talk (looking perturbed) "Um, did you want to have a conversation, you kank shit? Or did you sit and spout off all night."

[sarahjc]

I try to take my time in reading what the other person says and absorb how they say it..

This may take a second to do.. it may take 30 seconds, depending on what they said and how they said it.. Then I type my response, read it once over, fix a few things, read it again and hit enter. And sometimes I have to head to thesaurus.com to find the word I need if I am going for a particular feel with what I am saying.

Then there are times I just say things and it takes a second..

That being said, 2 minutes is not a lot to ask. And most of the time, most people don't even take that long. But if you say something, at least give the other party a chance to respond before speaking again..

I am really not attacking anyone at all..  I just get a bit irritated when my conversations are out of sink, it kind of takes me out of the game a little.  

But I like the subtle IC suggestions presented…

Thanks all, I feel better..

[Carnage]

There is a happy medium, but worse case if you're getting cut off alot...just RP it.

Get IC annoyed, be like,

talk (looking perturbed) "Um, did you want to have a conversation, you kank shit? Or did you sit and spout off all night."

Ugh, I've encountered this before with nobility/important people. It's a pain.

They'll look like they're finished, you wait 30-45 seconds (a good amount of time), and speak and you'll get scolded for interrupting.

[sarahjc]

Honestly, if what you said warrents a response.. Why not wait for one.. why the hurry??

[X-D]

I normally give at least two minutes before type my next say.. And I tend to have much better role play with those that I don't have to rush with. It's like talking to my mother...  


Far too long for me. Unless the situation was extremely nescessary I'd probably walk away or shift my attention elsewhere

Heh, I type 50wpm on a good day and 2 min is far to long for me.

As far as what the hurry is, I really hate 5 response conversations that take 25rl minutes, or half a day ic...ugh.

[Kalden]

Yeah. I might be guilty of this some of the time, but I really only have fun when I can banter in conversations. It has to flow, and move at a fairly brisk speed. I will outright avoid people who take forever to say simple things. Sometimes it even bothers me off the point where my character will find their character annoying, and very "slow".

[sarahjc]

I normally give at least two minutes before type my next say.. And I tend to have much better role play with those that I don't have to rush with. It's like talking to my mother...  


Far too long for me. Unless the situation was extremely nescessary I'd probably walk away or shift my attention elsewhere

Heh, I type 50wpm on a good day and 2 min is far to long for me.

As far as what the hurry is, I really hate 5 response conversations that take 25rl minutes, or half a day ic...ugh.

I meant that as a standard point of reference, that so that I don't talk over someone, not very often, but sometimes I can take a couple minutes or so to say something myself..

But the thirty second rule sucks..Because at that point I just feel  that I'm not really role-playing with someone.. I'm just typing out a conversation as fast as I possibly can.. I can find a chat room for that..

[Northlander]

I doubt actual typing speed is the main reason for these delays.

There are plenty of players with some other tongue than English as their primary, not to mention Americans, who just aren't too comfortable with forming coherent sentences. Furthermore, newcomers to our mud are always struggling with their tell emotes, speaking in a Zalanthan fashion, and saying what their character would indeed say.

Try using thinks while waiting, ponder what that other character is thinking, or drop emotes if that helps time go quicker. Let's just not make the game harder for newcomers and "foreigners" by running them over with monologue or avoiding them entirely.

If you know that you need time to think about what to write, then please save in some of that time by keeping your emotes concise and focusing instead on what will be said. It's certainly the more important part of a tell, and you'll be taking that step towards respecting the other player, who might be of an impatient sort, just like you hope he'll respect you back.

Zalanthan hours don't agree with Earth hours and although we are making an existing problem worse by thinking through our sentences it's still an old problem that we already know how to ignore. I prefer this over the maximum wpm alternative.

[Anonymous]

Sometimes if it takes them too long for a response I wonder if they went linkdead. *shrug*

[EvilRoeSlade]

I also think two minutes is too long.  I'd venture one minute as an absolute maximum to avoid annoying somebody else.

By the way, I've always wanted to play a character who, when having a conversation, would wait for the other person to say something so that they could immediately interrupt them.  Unfortunately, I don't know how to make it work within the constraints of a MUD.

[Candi]

not to mention Americans, who just aren't too comfortable with forming coherent sentences. Furthermore, newcomers to our mud are always struggling with their tell emotes, speaking in a Zalanthan fashion, and saying what their character would indeed say.

:shock:

Sorry, I just couldn't resist, really.

[John]

If I'm saying somthing, I'll continue saying it and split it up over several "say"s so the person has something to do while I type. Am I stopping them from replying? Yup. But I don't expect them too, so waiting 30seconds each time would be silly. If they say something, I RP they said it just after I finished saying what I just "said" and go on that tangent of the convo.

If I'm waiting for a response, I'll wait 2mins before emoting out me waiting for them, and wait a bit longer before saying "well"? Sometimes someone has had to go afk for a bit and couldn't warn me.

As for people who are consistantly slow. I've only encountered 1 person who warranted me staying away from them. I didn't treat it IC, I just found alternatives to dealing with that char.

Never found any indication they weren't a a native English speaker.

[Angela Christine]

I try to take my time in reading what the other person says and absorb how they say it..

This may take a second to do.. it may take 30 seconds, depending on what they said and how they said it.. Then I type my response, read it once over, fix a few things, read it again and hit enter. And sometimes I have to head to thesaurus.com to find the word I need if I am going for a particular feel with what I am saying.

You are kidding, right?  Unless you are playing someone excruciatingly obsessed with what they say, this is insane.

When you are talking with someone in the face to face world, do you stand there silently for up to 30 seconds as ponder what they said.  Then stand there silently a while longer as you mentally compose your response, and edit it mentally a few times before opening your mouth, occasionly pulling out a copy of a paper thesaurus to check for just the right word?  If so, do you have OCD?  I've seen people that speak very deliberatly, that will wait for 10 seconds or so before replying, that gives you the idea that they are really listening and thinking about the topic, but none that check reference books durring a conversation.  

If I can't think of the word, then I assume may character can't think of the word either.  It happens to the best of us.

I am not a fast typist.  Back in highschool, after two years of typing classes I was up to 35 words a minute when 45 was supposed to be the minimum to pass the course (I passed anyway, by comming in durring lunch and actually working durring class, so that I turned in more assignments than anyone else in the class despite my slowness).  I think that trying to keep up in MUDs has made me faster than classes ever did, I may be up to 40 or 50 WPM on a good day by now.

That being said, 2 minutes is not a lot to ask. And most of the time, most people don't even take that long. But if you say something, at least give the other party a chance to respond before speaking again..

I am really not attacking anyone at all..  I just get a bit irritated when my conversations are out of sink, it kind of takes me out of the game a little.  

Checking a thesaurus doesn't take you out of the game?  :boggle:  Some characters, like some people, are just chatter boxes.  Some people are uncomfortable with prolonged silences.

You can't change other people, only yourself.  That's a basic principal of life.  So I'm going to concentrate on things you can do.

* Aliasing a slowdown statement may help, but only if the other PC is willing and able to slowdown.  Some chatterboxes really do talk that fast.

* If someone speaks while you are in the middle of typing something, just stop where you are and append a ... then hit enter.  Quickly drop out an emote about stopping abruptly as ~otherguy speaks.  Sometimes in real life two people really do begin speaking at the same time, so it reasonable for it to happen IC too.

* If this happens to you often, you may be responding more slowly than most players consider reasonable.  Respond faster.  One way to respond more quickly is to use shorter statements, and more of them.  Enter your statements and emotes seperately.  Someone says something, and you begin to respond.  

A quick reactive emote, if necessary.  Ex:  Em gasps, eyes wide.  or Em laughs as she listens to ~otherguy.  Something short.

A statement.  If you use an embeded emote, keep it short.  If your statement is going to be longer than you think the other person will wait, then type half of it ending with a ... to show you mean to continure.  Start the next statement with a ... to show it is the continuation, or "say (continuing) blah blah blah".  
A followup emote, if necessary.  Maybe you break into laughter after you finish speaking, or pound your fist on the table.  You don't need to put that in your say with a (), you can put it after.  The emote doesn't need an individual response, so your followup emote won't disturb the other player if they have already begun typing their response.

The () is a cool feature, but it isn't meant to slow conversation to a crawl.  Sometimes seperating your emotes and says can speed up the spoken conversation.

* Be imperfect.  You aren't being graded on your performance, and not everything has to be a masterpiece.  If you take two minutes to enter a response, you may be over-thinking things.


AC

[Lasakar]

The () is a cool feature, but it isn't meant to slow conversation to a crawl.  Sometimes seperating your emotes and says can speed up the spoken conversation.

Seperating in a complex converstion and in converstions with several people simultaneously has a big advange.

1. A short emote (or just some alias) to the person is a fast reaction and shows him that you are listening to him.

2. The person (or persons) will await now your answer. You win some time to type carefully what you want to say to him.

[spawnloser]

Now, I am a fast typist...but I am playing a character that has been trained from birth in the mannerisms that this person has.  I am not that person...sometimes, it takes a moment to edit how I would say something to how my character would say it.  I'm careful about that...when playing a noble, you wouldn't expect them to say, "Fuck off and die, bitch!" to someone that has upset them...you also wouldn't expect a 'Rinthi to say, "Well, that was by far the most abominable display of gregariousness I have yet witnessed."  Now...people speak like that in real life...and there are people that speak like both of those that play this mud.  You have to give them some time to respond.  If you're getting antsy looking at the screen, too cracked out waiting for the screen scroll to give you the comforting glow of moving lights on your display, do something yourself.  Think, emote, something.  I agree that we don't need scaring off those that are trying to add something to the game by making sure they are completely in character...we want these people, trust me.  We don't want to scare off newbies...without them, we will not grow.  As was already mentioned, people that are not native english speakers need to be cut some slack as well.  Calm down...lay off the speed...let's give people a chance.  If it takes two minutes, I will agree...that is too long, but thirty seconds to a minute?  Not too long, especially with all the options you have.

[wizturbo]

I'm one of those chatterboxes.  I type extremely fast, and I usually like to respond very quickly unless its a situation where I really need to think.  My best advice, is to just keep the character your interacting with knowing that your still there.  If there is a long gap between emotes/says, I think they went AFK and I get annoyed/bored/tired.  

I'm a big supporter of using short says and emotes just to keep things flowing, and longer, more elaborate emotes and dialogue in dispersed in with the fast stuff.  This keeps things moving, but also throws in some more rich emotes/says.

I'll admit I look through thesarus.com sometimes too, but infrequently and only if i -really- can't find a word to use that fits.  If its not he perfect word, but it'll convey the idea well enough, I usually just go for it and elaborate with a following emote if i dont think the character understood me properly.