Elven Ranger

[Tamarin]

Can elves be rangers?

[RideTheDivide]

*desert* elves can be rangers.  Its a different race.

[Tamarin]

Why can't city elves be rangers?  I'm not saying they shouldn't, I just don't know what the reasoning is.

[spawnloser]

They're city people...not wilderness people, city elves are.  I'm pretty sure that sums the logic up right there.

[Anonymous]

Desert elves can't be assassins and burglars (IIRC), city elves can't be rangers.  Because each race's focus is implied in their name.  City elves are capable of wandering through the desert, but they really aren't much more fit for it than any given human from when I've played with them.  And at least  humans can hop on a kank.

So, the combination of poor movement outdoors and the complete aversion to riding kanks makes your average outdoors city elf a shortlived enough one to make the guild unavailable.  I know there have been city elves who did well enough in the sands, but those are the exceptions.

[EvilRoeSlade]

Desert elves can't be assassins and burglars

Or pickpockets.

A part of me wishes that they could though... and that they'd substitute city sneak/hide for wilderness sneak/hide.

[Forest Junkie]

Bleh. I want a desert elf assassin. Friggin' Scorpion King it up.

[Lasakar]

Played once a city elf warrior (subguild armorcrafter) with the urge to travel the desert and to contact a tribe. I played him like a ranger and had a lot of fun with him.
I think you could not choose ranger because riding is major skill of rangers.

[Ueda]

I've played I think 2 Desert elf Rangers. Desert Elves use to be able to run longer I think, but they can still do very well in the desert.

[spawnloser]

Desert elves, which should be even more anti-riding can be rangers, Lasakar.  I'm sure that's not it.  I'm pretty sure t's what the different types of elves focus on, based off typical environment.

[Vositus]

Can elves be rangers?

No, but they can be hunters... If that helps any.

[ashjpd]

You don't necessarily need to have the guild Ranger for your character to say that you are a ranger in game. If you know what I mean.

[Quo]

... and sometimes that makes for the most interesting character concepts. First off, it takes the urge to progress the coded skills away, since they're only marginally relevant to the basic concept (but still can develop into a valid and interesting streak in the char, it may just take a bit longer to evolve). Second, it frees from thinking in the stereotypes of the class system, allowing for a greatly enlarged choice of background and occupation. And third... without the pressure to push coded skills into branching, chances are the char will live longer. Long enough to develop on his own.
Last... when the char has developed his own profile and standing, there might come a point when you could mail in a summary to the powers that be, maybe even asking for trading one skillset for something else you consider vital. It's best though not to base the char on a 'vital but unaccessible' skillset. And I guess 'cooking for backstab' doesn't sound like an option either ;-)

[Twilight]

City elves grew up in a city.  They have spent the majority of their life in a city.  As such, they lack the familiarity with the desert to have the ranger guild.

Desert elves grew up in the desert.  They have spent the majority of their life outside of a city.  As such, they lack the burglar, pickpocket and assassin guilds.

I have seen this information posted up somewhere before I am fairly sure, but it should be fairly obvious when one remembers there is only one elven race; the different between city elves and desert elves -is- their background.

So, if you are a city elf, no, you didn't grow up outside the city, learning the subtle skills of the ranger and learning how to tame the wildest mekillot with a mere glance.  You grew up in a city.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

**Edited by Tlaloc**

What in God's name possessed you to post this? Don't tell them how to exploit something!

[jhunter]

The only problem I have with the way it is...desert-elves should be able to be assassins...the the outland versions of them. Other than that everything else about the way it is makes sense to me.

[Tlaloc]

Doing it the way Kill4Free posted would be considered exploiting a bug, and whoever did so would be subject to the full brunt of the staff's wrath for doing so. Frankly, I'm dissapointed someone thought it was a bright idea to post how to exploit a bug on the public forums.

Some classes are not allowed to Desert Elves. Some classes are not allowed to City-Elves. Some classes are not allowed to Half-giants, nor halflings, nor many other races. There are many, very logical reasons why they aren't allowed - and ergo, its not something that should be circumvented.

In the future, if you find bugs such as that one, for the love of Ginka, and all that is holy, email that shit to the Mud, and use the 'bug' command.

Edit: I have deleted/edited the posts detailing this. Please continue with your normal thread.

[Kill4Free]

I didnt post it as how to exploit a bug, as I dont think it really matters at all wether you are a half-elf ranger or a elven ranger, but I can see that you take it more seriously then I thought it called for.

[Xan]

I didnt post it as how to exploit a bug, as I dont think it really matters at all wether you are a half-elf ranger or a elven ranger, but I can see that you take it more seriously then I thought it called for.

If code prevents you from doing something, but a backdoor in the program does, how could that not be assumed to be a bug?  Don't post/do things like that, end of story.

[Krath]

He didnt know. End of story stop hounding him on it, he apologized and that is it.

[Ghost]

The only problem I have with the way it is...desert-elves should be able to be assassins...the the outland versions of them. .

I think assassins are the city rangers.  And rangers are the wilderness assassins anyway.  

Thinking that way, archery is the wilderness version of backstab.

That is all my way of thinking

[Cenghiz]

I agree with Ghost, since he's Turkish.. (Heil Hitler!  :twisted: )
No no.. That was the answer I was going to type, really.. Since it's way more easier to pierce him from 2.5 rooms away (I always walk to the edge of the room. It increases the chances..) I believe no desert folk would bother trying to stab someone after sneaking to that man's a** with great difficulty. And I don't think it's IC leakage.. Code allows us to poison arrows, too, just like IRL.. Wow, what a code!!

[kiddgoth]

twilight posted

City elves grew up in a city. They have spent the majority of their life in a city. As such, they lack the familiarity with the desert to have the ranger guild.

Now I dont know but arent humans mostly city dwellers? How come city dwelling humans can be rangers, shouldnt only tribal humans be allowed the ranger class just like desert elves? Just I thought...

[Xan]

twilight posted

City elves grew up in a city. They have spent the majority of their life in a city. As such, they lack the familiarity with the desert to have the ranger guild.

Now I dont know but arent humans mostly city dwellers? How come city dwelling humans can be rangers, shouldnt only tribal humans be allowed the ranger class just like desert elves? Just I thought...

Thats a good point, but generally its assumed human rangers are hunters.  Celfs dont leave cities for a few reasons, one being that they refuse to ride and so they'd be piss poor hunters.  The second is that city tribes are generally oriented to city things, like theft.  Why bother leaving the city when theres plenty of roundear marks all around you?

Pick warrior with hunter if you must.  I think no celf rangers helps keep some nice theme and distinctions in the world.

[spawnloser]

kid, my man...
Humans come from everywhere, and there's little difference between the two.  There are tribal humans and city humans and hermit humans living in a cave on the top of the world...and they're basically all the same.

Elves, however, are basically the same, but some have more practice doing some things over others...and the ones that have more practice outside are desert elves, and the ones that have more practice inside are city elves.  It's really that simple.  The city/desert thing is just a matter of background.

[Angela Christine]

Yeah, when desert elves move into a city, their kids grow up to be city elves.  That's where city elves came from in the first place.  Presumably if city elves moved back into the wilderness, their children would grow up to be desert elves.


AC

[Katsumata]

I like that idea. Why should only elves be the ones split up into city and desert races? Human rangers could easily be coded to come from desert backgrounds only and have appropriate subclasses based on that background (ie, non city subguilds and experiences).

So you are a desert ranger and a street acrobat as well eh? How'd the heck -that- happen?

That brings up another point, how do city background'd people get all those nifty desert survival skills?

Just a thought.

[Ghost]

So disable assassin/burglar/pickpocket-nomad
ranger - acrobat/house servant...................

Yeah, these only came up to my mind that quick.

And it would be funny to have templar/house servant or noble/house servant also.

[/derailment]

[Vettrock]

At one point in the game city and desert elves were the same, but there was too much abuse of the desert elves so they were moved into the Karma catagory and city elves without the running ability were created, in order to not close down elves to newbies.  Personnally I think there should only be one elf option, and if they are worried about abuse, make elves in gerneral 1 karma the same as desert elves, as I think newbie playing elves is generally not a good thing as they are tough to play.

I can't tell you exactly what happened and the exact reasoning, but There was once only one type of elf, and they could all run.

Anyway my opinion...

[Anonymous]

I don't think people are taking into account that just based on the fact that they are city elves they get extra bonuses.  Just based on the fact they are desert elves they get extra bonuses.

[Vettrock]

True, I didn't really consider that city elves get bonuses.  I've never played a city elf myself, only a desert elf, and they do come with some bonuses.

[mansa]

City Elves get ***bonuses***.
Desert Elves get ***bonuses***.