Do You like the New Karma point and class options?

[Tailong]

I indeed, did change my vote. The clarification was much appreciated

[papertiger]

I don't think there's anything substantively wrong with the policy reform. If I had the time and the effort to put in I'm certain I could build myself up from 6 to 10 in less than six months. And if I get stuck on 8 because I don't put in enough bios? Ohhhh nooooo. I don't have to spend 100 hours of spam casting my void magicks in a cave, I guess. 

You still can spam cast your void magicks if you get it spec apped though even if you didn't have all your karma points. Would people really run through a lot more than 2 spec apps in a year? Would using a spec app on a supergick be a terrible thing?

[dunecrawler]

I don't think there's anything substantively wrong with the policy reform. If I had the time and the effort to put in I'm certain I could build myself up from 6 to 10 in less than six months. And if I get stuck on 8 because I don't put in enough bios? Ohhhh nooooo. I don't have to spend 100 hours of spam casting my void magicks in a cave, I guess. 

You still can spam cast your void magicks if you get it spec apped though even if you didn't have all your karma points. Would people really run through a lot more than 2 spec apps in a year? Would using a spec app on a supergick be a terrible thing?

Full guild mages are very, very fragile glass cannons. You might end up with two dead ones very quickly.

[undoubtedly]

In light of https://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,60029.msg1099622.html#msg1099622 I'm curious if anyone intends to change their vote (click Remove Vote at the top if you do)

Changed my vote from no (but will play) to yes. The options are a bit limited, I'm still dubious about the gating of leader roles but otherwise think it's a pretty great proposed outline despite how it was presented!

[Pariah]

I don't think there's anything substantively wrong with the policy reform. If I had the time and the effort to put in I'm certain I could build myself up from 6 to 10 in less than six months. And if I get stuck on 8 because I don't put in enough bios? Ohhhh nooooo. I don't have to spend 100 hours of spam casting my void magicks in a cave, I guess. 

You still can spam cast your void magicks if you get it spec apped though even if you didn't have all your karma points. Would people really run through a lot more than 2 spec apps in a year? Would using a spec app on a supergick be a terrible thing?

I don't think there's anything substantively wrong with the policy reform. If I had the time and the effort to put in I'm certain I could build myself up from 6 to 10 in less than six months. And if I get stuck on 8 because I don't put in enough bios? Ohhhh nooooo. I don't have to spend 100 hours of spam casting my void magicks in a cave, I guess. 

You still can spam cast your void magicks if you get it spec apped though even if you didn't have all your karma points. Would people really run through a lot more than 2 spec apps in a year? Would using a spec app on a supergick be a terrible thing?

Full guild mages are very, very fragile glass cannons. You might end up with two dead ones very quickly.

Yeah, a full guild mage, while POTENTIALLY powerful, has to be spelled up and ready to be that deadly gamebreaking, over powered mess.  Their combat skills are non-existent so if they get jumped and aren't in super Saiyan mode, they are fucking dead.

So imagine you waited three weeks to get approved, have never played this gick before, don't understand the nuance of spell X, somehow noob it up and get murdered by a Templar/Raider/Insertbadthing two days into the character, welp there goes one of your spec apps.

That's why spec apps aren't really the solution, it just takes bad luck sometimes.  I've had full gicks who didn't have direction sense and failed walking north five times in a row, boom fall into a pit, insta-dead.

But I'm still out that six months worth of spec app. (2 per year)

[Armaddict]

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Bonfire, signing off.


Thanks for the good times, players and staff. I aim to build a decentralized RPI, that invests 'Trust' into it's players and only removes it after bad behavior, a place that recognizes abuse can only come with power, and that bad behavior from players is bad behavior, but bad behavior from staff (because of the power dynamics) is abuse. Abuse often hurts, but so can disabusing someone of their previously held ignorance....



Which is why some many players' opinions seem to pain you.

I mean...a little melodramatic.

But this is precisely what I mean by once things are done, it's a lot harder to undo them.  People are now upset because of this change, which can be referenced back to a change in the past that ended up having unforeseen consequences that poked out over the long term.  They're trying to fix it...and can't.  Which is why taking a harsh critical look at what other effects of changes there could be is important.

Flattening out karma was a bad idea.  Building a culture where having karma meant you couldn't be rejected for a role based on what it was, was a bad idea.  It was just something that was going to have a hard time the longer it went on, because every single point had so much baggage associated with it.  Removing one was too big of a deal.  Gaining one was a huge jump in expectation and entitlement.

But 'taking it back' always stings when people benefited from it, even if it did not benefit that much else.

[Armaddict]

That's why spec apps aren't really the solution, it just takes bad luck sometimes.  I've had full gicks who didn't have direction sense and failed walking north five times in a row, boom fall into a pit, insta-dead.

Full gicks are gemmed only and if the first thing you do is go out alone you're probably kind of missing the point of it.  Full gicks do not need to be fully spelled up to be crazy.  Full gicks are not useless in most scenarios, but they are in some.  Advanced subs are not the new useless, they're quite powerful at providing full gicks plenty of survivability and versatility.  This is all pretty hyperbolic.

I will say that I think we should be removing any limit on special apps at all though.  Just...let people special app.  And just...let people get used to the idea that sometimes you get told no.  It's really not that big of a deal.

[Krath]

I really hate how the most civil conversation , without the stuff I hate, happens in the thread I ask no one to post on...lol. Love you all

[Master Color]

I don't think there's anything substantively wrong with the policy reform. If I had the time and the effort to put in I'm certain I could build myself up from 6 to 10 in less than six months. And if I get stuck on 8 because I don't put in enough bios? Ohhhh nooooo. I don't have to spend 100 hours of spam casting my void magicks in a cave, I guess. 

You still can spam cast your void magicks if you get it spec apped though even if you didn't have all your karma points. Would people really run through a lot more than 2 spec apps in a year? Would using a spec app on a supergick be a terrible thing?

I don't think there's anything substantively wrong with the policy reform. If I had the time and the effort to put in I'm certain I could build myself up from 6 to 10 in less than six months. And if I get stuck on 8 because I don't put in enough bios? Ohhhh nooooo. I don't have to spend 100 hours of spam casting my void magicks in a cave, I guess. 

You still can spam cast your void magicks if you get it spec apped though even if you didn't have all your karma points. Would people really run through a lot more than 2 spec apps in a year? Would using a spec app on a supergick be a terrible thing?

Full guild mages are very, very fragile glass cannons. You might end up with two dead ones very quickly.

Yeah, a full guild mage, while POTENTIALLY powerful, has to be spelled up and ready to be that deadly gamebreaking, over powered mess.  Their combat skills are non-existent so if they get jumped and aren't in super Saiyan mode, they are fucking dead.

So imagine you waited three weeks to get approved, have never played this gick before, don't understand the nuance of spell X, somehow noob it up and get murdered by a Templar/Raider/Insertbadthing two days into the character, welp there goes one of your spec apps.

That's why spec apps aren't really the solution, it just takes bad luck sometimes.  I've had full gicks who didn't have direction sense and failed walking north five times in a row, boom fall into a pit, insta-dead.

But I'm still out that six months worth of spec app. (2 per year)

Buddy.

I had a sorcerer that took three goddamn months to approve to just to get Faithful-Ladied in a couple days played after she read my pc's background.

That was ten years ago. I'm still mad.

[Armaddict]

I changed mine because I like the tiering and everything just fine.  I don't like the setup for how it's used/earned.

[Pariah]

Buddy.

I had a sorcerer that took three goddamn months to approve to just to get Faithful-Ladied in a couple days played after she read my pc's background.

That was ten years ago. I'm still mad.

Without getting too deep into it, I wanna know who on staff thought that was a good idea to create that ability, it's just game breaking.

[Riev]

Buddy.

I had a sorcerer that took three goddamn months to approve to just to get Faithful-Ladied in a couple days played after she read my pc's background.

That was ten years ago. I'm still mad.

Without getting too deep into it, I wanna know who on staff thought that was a good idea to create that ability, it's just game breaking.

The same staff that thought it was okay to make clan-protected super-powerful mindworms that can out people from across the Known with zero effort.

Regardless, on point? I'm not changing my answer. Staff have already abandoned my sponsored roles, making me never want to play one again. They've chased me away from the Discord for expressing concerns. They denigrated me and made me feel small for reporting actual in-game attempts to circumvent code by Sponsored Roles/Leadership PCs. Now I have to ask them to please readjust my karma based on how they FEEL about my ability to play the game?

Maybe if I could request specific staff to do the review. I know which ones I would suggest, but knowing it would still have to pass by the staff that do not trust or respect me? No. I'm still not playing.

[Pariah]

Buddy.

I had a sorcerer that took three goddamn months to approve to just to get Faithful-Ladied in a couple days played after she read my pc's background.

That was ten years ago. I'm still mad.

Without getting too deep into it, I wanna know who on staff thought that was a good idea to create that ability, it's just game breaking.

The same staff that thought it was okay to make clan-protected super-powerful mindworms that can out people from across the Known with zero effort.

Regardless, on point? I'm not changing my answer. Staff have already abandoned my sponsored roles, making me never want to play one again. They've chased me away from the Discord for expressing concerns. They denigrated me and made me feel small for reporting actual in-game attempts to circumvent code by Sponsored Roles/Leadership PCs. Now I have to ask them to please readjust my karma based on how they FEEL about my ability to play the game?

Maybe if I could request specific staff to do the review. I know which ones I would suggest, but knowing it would still have to pass by the staff that do not trust or respect me? No. I'm still not playing.

Usiku is probably the most fair, Brokkr the most stubborn (It's okay, I'm stubborn too) Halaster I don't know if he's even doing that shit anymore.

No offense against the ST's but they always felt like they had to ask permission to do -everything-.

I think this new karma thing is supposed to give them more power to just make the call if I'm reading it right.

[Fredd]

I don't think there's anything substantively wrong with the policy reform. If I had the time and the effort to put in I'm certain I could build myself up from 6 to 10 in less than six months. And if I get stuck on 8 because I don't put in enough bios? Ohhhh nooooo. I don't have to spend 100 hours of spam casting my void magicks in a cave, I guess. 

As someone who plays in Tuluk a lot. I can say that this doesn't seem to happen anymore.

I have seen a few different 'forbidden'

I don't think there's anything substantively wrong with the policy reform. If I had the time and the effort to put in I'm certain I could build myself up from 6 to 10 in less than six months. And if I get stuck on 8 because I don't put in enough bios? Ohhhh nooooo. I don't have to spend 100 hours of spam casting my void magicks in a cave, I guess. 

You still can spam cast your void magicks if you get it spec apped though even if you didn't have all your karma points. Would people really run through a lot more than 2 spec apps in a year? Would using a spec app on a supergick be a terrible thing?

I don't think there's anything substantively wrong with the policy reform. If I had the time and the effort to put in I'm certain I could build myself up from 6 to 10 in less than six months. And if I get stuck on 8 because I don't put in enough bios? Ohhhh nooooo. I don't have to spend 100 hours of spam casting my void magicks in a cave, I guess. 

You still can spam cast your void magicks if you get it spec apped though even if you didn't have all your karma points. Would people really run through a lot more than 2 spec apps in a year? Would using a spec app on a supergick be a terrible thing?

Full guild mages are very, very fragile glass cannons. You might end up with two dead ones very quickly.

Yeah, a full guild mage, while POTENTIALLY powerful, has to be spelled up and ready to be that deadly gamebreaking, over powered mess.  Their combat skills are non-existent so if they get jumped and aren't in super Saiyan mode, they are fucking dead.

So imagine you waited three weeks to get approved, have never played this gick before, don't understand the nuance of spell X, somehow noob it up and get murdered by a Templar/Raider/Insertbadthing two days into the character, welp there goes one of your spec apps.

That's why spec apps aren't really the solution, it just takes bad luck sometimes.  I've had full gicks who didn't have direction sense and failed walking north five times in a row, boom fall into a pit, insta-dead.

But I'm still out that six months worth of spec app. (2 per year)

Buddy.

I had a sorcerer that took three goddamn months to approve to just to get Faithful-Ladied in a couple days played after she read my pc's background.

That was ten years ago. I'm still mad.

concepts filter through in the bit over a year since it's reopening.

You still can spam cast your void magicks if you get it spec apped though even if you didn't have all your karma points. Would people really run through a lot more than 2 spec apps in a year? Would using a spec app on a supergick be a terrible thing?

I don't think there's anything substantively wrong with the policy reform. If I had the time and the effort to put in I'm certain I could build myself up from 6 to 10 in less than six months. And if I get stuck on 8 because I don't put in enough bios? Ohhhh nooooo. I don't have to spend 100 hours of spam casting my void magicks in a cave, I guess. 

You still can spam cast your void magicks if you get it spec apped though even if you didn't have all your karma points. Would people really run through a lot more than 2 spec apps in a year? Would using a spec app on a supergick be a terrible thing?

Full guild mages are very, very fragile glass cannons. You might end up with two dead ones very quickly.

Yeah, a full guild mage, while POTENTIALLY powerful, has to be spelled up and ready to be that deadly gamebreaking, over powered mess.  Their combat skills are non-existent so if they get jumped and aren't in super Saiyan mode, they are fucking dead.

So imagine you waited three weeks to get approved, have never played this gick before, don't understand the nuance of spell X, somehow noob it up and get murdered by a Templar/Raider/Insertbadthing two days into the character, welp there goes one of your spec apps.

That's why spec apps aren't really the solution, it just takes bad luck sometimes.  I've had full gicks who didn't have direction sense and failed walking north five times in a row, boom fall into a pit, insta-dead.

But I'm still out that six months worth of spec app. (2 per year)

Buddy.

I had a sorcerer that took three goddamn months to approve to just to get Faithful-Ladied in a couple days played after she read my pc's background.

That was ten years ago. I'm still mad.

As someone who has played in Tuluk a lot since it has reopened. I can say this doesn't seem to happen anymore. I've seen witches of all different stripes pass through without getting 'Faithfuled.'

Are the templars still hunting mages down? 100% But whatever they used to have that let them just look at you and know you are a sorc. or whatever must have been removed when they stopped being 'Lirathans' and started being monks... I mean the Unified Order.

so If you wanna play some of that 'i have to live my life in hiding' rp, you could do it in Tuluk now, as the consequences of being caught aren't just a gem, the stakes are high enough and fair enough to be fun, at least in my opinion. (this concept is on my 'to-do' list of roles in fact)

[Pariah]

As someone who has played in Tuluk a lot since it has reopened. I can say this doesn't seem to happen anymore. I've seen witches of all different stripes pass through without getting 'Faithfuled.'

Are the templars still hunting mages down? 100% But whatever they used to have that let them just look at you and know you are a sorc. or whatever must have been removed when they stopped being 'Lirathans' and started being monks... I mean the Unified Order.

Holy fuck, clean up your quoting sir.

But yes, I believe the most game breaking part of northern Templars was removed.

[Usiku]

Regardless, on point? I'm not changing my answer. Staff have already abandoned my sponsored roles, making me never want to play one again. They've chased me away from the Discord for expressing concerns. They denigrated me and made me feel small for reporting actual in-game attempts to circumvent code by Sponsored Roles/Leadership PCs. Now I have to ask them to please readjust my karma based on how they FEEL about my ability to play the game?

Maybe if I could request specific staff to do the review. I know which ones I would suggest, but knowing it would still have to pass by the staff that do not trust or respect me? No. I'm still not playing.

I think you're a wonderful player and I hope that you change your mind. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Riev]

I think you're a wonderful player and I hope that you change your mind. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You don't know me wanna fight?

But yes, I believe the most game breaking part of northern Templars was removed.

Your welcome, ENTIRE GAME. I was sacrificed at the altar for this to be changed, if slightly.

[Pariah]

Regardless, on point? I'm not changing my answer. Staff have already abandoned my sponsored roles, making me never want to play one again. They've chased me away from the Discord for expressing concerns. They denigrated me and made me feel small for reporting actual in-game attempts to circumvent code by Sponsored Roles/Leadership PCs. Now I have to ask them to please readjust my karma based on how they FEEL about my ability to play the game?

Maybe if I could request specific staff to do the review. I know which ones I would suggest, but knowing it would still have to pass by the staff that do not trust or respect me? No. I'm still not playing.

I think you're a wonderful player and I hope that you change your mind. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

To add onto this, I enjoyed playing with one of your recent characters very much.  I'd give ya 10 Karma if I was in charge.

[Usiku]

You don't know me wanna fight?

You sent me my first ever staff kudos I think. I'm pretty easy to win over.

[Shaydee]

Regardless, on point? I'm not changing my answer. Staff have already abandoned my sponsored roles, making me never want to play one again. They've chased me away from the Discord for expressing concerns. They denigrated me and made me feel small for reporting actual in-game attempts to circumvent code by Sponsored Roles/Leadership PCs. Now I have to ask them to please readjust my karma based on how they FEEL about my ability to play the game?

Maybe if I could request specific staff to do the review. I know which ones I would suggest, but knowing it would still have to pass by the staff that do not trust or respect me? No. I'm still not playing.

I think you're a wonderful player and I hope that you change your mind. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

To add onto this, I enjoyed playing with one of your recent characters very much.  I'd give ya 10 Karma if I was in charge.

Not to sound like a broken record buuuuut, I've also played a with a few of your characters and I learned a lot from those times! I think you're a great player from the interactions I've had!

[Riev]

D'aww.

Still no. Maybe some day, but over half my life on some characters lasting 50+ days means I should wait until all this shakes out at best.

[mansa]

But yes, I believe the most game breaking part of northern Templars was removed.

Your welcome, ENTIRE GAME. I was sacrificed at the altar for this to be changed, if slightly.

Lololololol

[Master Color]

I don't think there's anything substantively wrong with the policy reform. If I had the time and the effort to put in I'm certain I could build myself up from 6 to 10 in less than six months. And if I get stuck on 8 because I don't put in enough bios? Ohhhh nooooo. I don't have to spend 100 hours of spam casting my void magicks in a cave, I guess. 

As someone who plays in Tuluk a lot. I can say that this doesn't seem to happen anymore.

I have seen a few different 'forbidden'

I don't think there's anything substantively wrong with the policy reform. If I had the time and the effort to put in I'm certain I could build myself up from 6 to 10 in less than six months. And if I get stuck on 8 because I don't put in enough bios? Ohhhh nooooo. I don't have to spend 100 hours of spam casting my void magicks in a cave, I guess. 

You still can spam cast your void magicks if you get it spec apped though even if you didn't have all your karma points. Would people really run through a lot more than 2 spec apps in a year? Would using a spec app on a supergick be a terrible thing?

I don't think there's anything substantively wrong with the policy reform. If I had the time and the effort to put in I'm certain I could build myself up from 6 to 10 in less than six months. And if I get stuck on 8 because I don't put in enough bios? Ohhhh nooooo. I don't have to spend 100 hours of spam casting my void magicks in a cave, I guess. 

You still can spam cast your void magicks if you get it spec apped though even if you didn't have all your karma points. Would people really run through a lot more than 2 spec apps in a year? Would using a spec app on a supergick be a terrible thing?

Full guild mages are very, very fragile glass cannons. You might end up with two dead ones very quickly.

Yeah, a full guild mage, while POTENTIALLY powerful, has to be spelled up and ready to be that deadly gamebreaking, over powered mess.  Their combat skills are non-existent so if they get jumped and aren't in super Saiyan mode, they are fucking dead.

So imagine you waited three weeks to get approved, have never played this gick before, don't understand the nuance of spell X, somehow noob it up and get murdered by a Templar/Raider/Insertbadthing two days into the character, welp there goes one of your spec apps.

That's why spec apps aren't really the solution, it just takes bad luck sometimes.  I've had full gicks who didn't have direction sense and failed walking north five times in a row, boom fall into a pit, insta-dead.

But I'm still out that six months worth of spec app. (2 per year)

Buddy.

I had a sorcerer that took three goddamn months to approve to just to get Faithful-Ladied in a couple days played after she read my pc's background.

That was ten years ago. I'm still mad.

concepts filter through in the bit over a year since it's reopening.

You still can spam cast your void magicks if you get it spec apped though even if you didn't have all your karma points. Would people really run through a lot more than 2 spec apps in a year? Would using a spec app on a supergick be a terrible thing?

I don't think there's anything substantively wrong with the policy reform. If I had the time and the effort to put in I'm certain I could build myself up from 6 to 10 in less than six months. And if I get stuck on 8 because I don't put in enough bios? Ohhhh nooooo. I don't have to spend 100 hours of spam casting my void magicks in a cave, I guess. 

You still can spam cast your void magicks if you get it spec apped though even if you didn't have all your karma points. Would people really run through a lot more than 2 spec apps in a year? Would using a spec app on a supergick be a terrible thing?

Full guild mages are very, very fragile glass cannons. You might end up with two dead ones very quickly.

Yeah, a full guild mage, while POTENTIALLY powerful, has to be spelled up and ready to be that deadly gamebreaking, over powered mess.  Their combat skills are non-existent so if they get jumped and aren't in super Saiyan mode, they are fucking dead.

So imagine you waited three weeks to get approved, have never played this gick before, don't understand the nuance of spell X, somehow noob it up and get murdered by a Templar/Raider/Insertbadthing two days into the character, welp there goes one of your spec apps.

That's why spec apps aren't really the solution, it just takes bad luck sometimes.  I've had full gicks who didn't have direction sense and failed walking north five times in a row, boom fall into a pit, insta-dead.

But I'm still out that six months worth of spec app. (2 per year)

Buddy.

I had a sorcerer that took three goddamn months to approve to just to get Faithful-Ladied in a couple days played after she read my pc's background.

That was ten years ago. I'm still mad.

As someone who has played in Tuluk a lot since it has reopened. I can say this doesn't seem to happen anymore. I've seen witches of all different stripes pass through without getting 'Faithfuled.'

Are the templars still hunting mages down? 100% But whatever they used to have that let them just look at you and know you are a sorc. or whatever must have been removed when they stopped being 'Lirathans' and started being monks... I mean the Unified Order.

so If you wanna play some of that 'i have to live my life in hiding' rp, you could do it in Tuluk now, as the consequences of being caught aren't just a gem, the stakes are high enough and fair enough to be fun, at least in my opinion. (this concept is on my 'to-do' list of roles in fact)

I appreciate that that's not a thing anymore.

[dumbstruck]

The controversy of the decision amongst portions of the veteran playerbase literally boils down to this at the end of the day:

We play the game for fun and because we love the world and setting.

Staff have a 'karma' system they use to rate and keep tabs of players, but the players do not have that. They only have their feet. They have a present or absent vote.

When players take staff's karma away, they leave the world and setting they love because they no longer trust the people that run it.

And players are being lost like a drip for a long time.

And staff keep trying to manage and reorganize players, and minimize and things like that.

Players will never have the level of control that staff do, that is unrealistic. But they do karma reviews too. And when enough things happen even absentee ones dock karma (and leave, following the analogy).

Neither side trusts the other. It's like a hostage situation. It's not good.

There's a few newer players, or really fringe players who are willing to trust because they haven't been burned enough or are indifferent enough. There are a few staff that are new enough, or kind enough. But it's a fringe on both sides.

And making a big show about how you can further rate how much or little you trust the people who are already having issues with trusting you, is... in many cases being received as borderline insulting, at best tonedeaf.

I keep following the discussion on this and wishing something would change and not expecting it to. Or at least not in a way that is substantial, satisfying, and shows any trust in people like my husband to do more rather than less.

I don't understand how anyone who was behind this possibly thought it was a good decision except for hubris borne of people 'just dealing with' things that they earnestly hated in order to enjoy the scenery and framework of the box it was built in. I have worked with half a dozen games over the years now, some of which have also been around since the nineties (Edge of Midnight built in 1998, still running, for example), and none of them had a staff that was as proud and prone to the 'but I'm a volunteer', and so prone to showing such contempt for the players they claim to be there to support.

I really wish that I had had the understanding of game design and the knowledge of text based gaming that I have now when I was on Arm staff. It might have given me the confidence to be more proactive both in my projects chosen, and in my attempts to work with others on the staff team. It certainly would have emboldened me to say something when I heard something. Many times.

When I first saw this announcement I was furious. I mean I was so furious I did not sleep that night. Now I am just sad. Every time I have made a suggestion for 15 years it has not been taken. And many times to the detriment of the game and active loss of more than one players.

I do not like the karma options and this is the second or third time I've been boxed out of playing the type of whirans that can make you invisible even though I think anyone who has ever seen me play them can attest I am generally pretty responsible with them. I pked 2 people on one once 13 years ago. The one that seems bitter about it is kind of ironic as there was a long plot involved with a rogue witch befriending a templar to get the templar to betray info and a whole bunch of other elaborate shit behind it, in addition to the whisper that I managed to give them for RP while being forced to reel lock them to keep them from instaavoiding death using a broken spell that has since been fixed (old stone mages likely know which one I mean).

I am far from the only one who has been boxed out of the things they love more than once. But I'm the one who is literally dying (of heart failure), so my time matters to me, and waiting your random monthslong periods over and over again to even be able to special app for my favorite role as an explorer type as playable again? (assuming that it is not torpedoed from ever being available) feels really personal, really immediate, and really shitty. I am literally on a limited time line in real life. And padding out pointless real life time wait listing is very upsetting.

[betweenford]

The other thread is currently unaccessible due to moderation but I just want to say that the two vivaduan subclasses Healer and Creation being on the same level for karma is really weird to me.

Healer is genuinely the weakest built Vivaduan subclass, and has alot of very very very very niche spells. Creation and Corruption have the ball very much in their court when it comes to potentially killing someone, causing massive amounts of damage, and being potentially threatening.

I would also argue that Creation is a better "combat healer" archetype than Healer itself.