endgame combat twinking hot take

[Lotion]

If you can't find a wild animal to get fails on then you aren't looking hard enough. My plateau is not your plateau and if you're not willing to climb to the same heights it's no wonder I'll kick your ass.

[Jihelu]

What

[Lotion]

people always whine about how you can't get real gains on mundane combat types without sparring once you get to the plateau but the plateau is based on what you fight

[Patuk]

Lotion, what the fuck are you talking about?

[Lotion]

Combat classes in particular face the problem of running out of ways to progress. If you're not lucky enough to have frequent access to an extremely skilled sparring partner - which, let's face it, you almost never do - you'll hit that Wall of No Progress surprisingly early. You might not even be able to reach advanced level in your main weapon skill. You might be stuck forever at journeyman even if your character's whole career is in some martial line of work.

There used to be tricks to bypass this hurdle, but they were very twinky and have systematically been patched out of the game. Now we're left with a situation where becoming a genuinely impressive warrior is something most characters don't even have the opportunity to pursue. You can get to that level of "pretty good" where animals generally don't trouble you, but that's the same level that all fighting PCs end up at. It doesn't really feel like there's a reasonable route to greatness for warrior types.

this stuff!
the same thought has been spread so many times.
if the animals that uysed to kick your ass dont kick your ass anymore go fight the animal that kicks their ass
fight out what an ankheg is
go fight a monstercreature that doesn't have a helpfiles
that place you don't go because it's too dangerous? go there because YOU ARE THE DANGER

[MeTekillot]

I don't see how this is specifically pertinent to the Code.

[Dar]

It makes sense. I mean Navy Seals are badass because they are sent to fight dinosaurs barehanded.

[Lotion]

I don't see how this is specifically pertinent to the Code.

twinking is absolutely pertinent to code

[Veselka]

define twink

[Jihelu]

What

[Brytta Léofa]

without sparring

but why

[Dar]

Because sparring involves other people. You need to deal with other people and leave yourself open to interaction.


Twinking on critters keeps it single player.

[Jarvis]

¿Que?

[Riev]

What

[mansa]

but why male models?

[Lotion]

Because sparring involves other people. You need to deal with other people and leave yourself open to interaction.


Twinking on critters keeps it single player.

in the time it takes to organize one sparring session i could get three times that much gainz in the wilderness

[Barsook]

Arm is a RPI, sparring is a tool for roleplay. Twinking and no roleplay is a hack and slash.

[Riev]

I will twink on wildlife if I am absolutely sure there is nobody around to spar with. I'll get my fails one way or another... and hell, I'll take an RP sparring session over guaranteed fails.

[Greve]

Stop arguing in bad faith, Lotion. The existence of some obscure, largely unknown creature in a far-flung corner of the world that might be able to take you further than the remaining 99.9% of the game's content doesn't mean there's nothing wrong. And if players have to resort to blatant twinking in order to self-medicate a flaw in the code, there's a problem. As has been repeatedly pointed out in these discussions, the issue isn't that it's flat-out impossible to reach the higher end of the combat skill spectrum. The issue is with the things you have to do to pursue that. Usually they're things that almost no character can justify doing. Often they're things you'll rightfully get punished by staff for doing.

[Lotion]

I believe it to be true in my heart. If your characters can't tell the story you want them to then you are making a serious mistake!

[Greve]

Ok.

[Krath]

I have never had an issue with mundane plateaus...That being said, you need to be willing to lose your pc for the gains post high jm/advanced..it's not supposed to be easy and it isn't..it is also attainable and requires a ton of playtime.

[Lotion]

I have never had an issue with mundane plateaus...That being said, you need to be willing to lose your pc for the gains post high jm/advanced..it's not supposed to be easy and it isn't..it is also attainable and requires a ton of playtime.

Speak of weapon skill levels? What a ridiclous notion! I fight dujat worms and rantarri with apprentice weapon skills.

[Wday]

Way I like to Rp it and do in game is not only by the skill level. And yes I check skills often but I always figure age has a factor. Lets say a young person in the Byn masters parry at the age of 22. I like to think they aren't masters at it just very well known in  the skill. Same person at 30 is more of master at it by time and error yet the skill level we see never changes. Not having to venture out to fight something super bad.

[Krath]

I have never had an issue with mundane plateaus...That being said, you need to be willing to lose your pc for the gains post high jm/advanced..it's not supposed to be easy and it isn't..it is also attainable and requires a ton of playtime.

Speak of weapon skill levels? What a ridiclous notion! I fight dujat worms and rantarri with apprentice weapon skills.

Specifically of weapon skills.