Stealth vs Scan/theft

[rinthrat]

The other thing that needs to be looked at is the fact that thieves without even being able to see what's under someone's cloak can still just go 'steal sword' 'steal axe'. Etc and the script will still run and steal the first one of those it finds, great RP folks.

Weapons that are covered still disappearing may also happen because they can show up with peek.

[SmashedTregil]

Maybe there needs to be partial success to scan. Where you can detect the presence and set watch on it. But you cant target it with anything else and the sdesc/mdesc is not displayed. This way people know someone's in the room, they just cant quiet find them.  This way, the sneaky knows he's been found out, but yet located and he knows it's time to get out of there, instead of continuing on with other stealth skills.


Or ... next time someone gets repeatedly failed steal on, they should just file a player complaint on.

[Armaddict]

Or ... next time someone gets repeatedly failed steal on, they should just file a player complaint on.

Yeah.  A lot of the scenarios described as to why it needs balancing are specific scenarios where I'd expect someone else to be let in on it to see if things were legit or abused.

I -have- played that carnifex distraction elf for other thieves before.  It's not common but we do try to do that sometimes.

[Derain]

The other thing that needs to be looked at is the fact that thieves without even being able to see what's under someone's cloak can still just go 'steal sword' 'steal axe'. Etc and the script will still run and steal the first one of those it finds, great RP folks.

Weapons that are covered still disappearing may also happen because they can show up with peek.

They don't show up if the cloak is closed you'd have to unlatch the persons cloak.. which I've seen not be done more than a handful of times now.

[SmashedTregil]

Is this a recent change? It was possible to see the weapons despite closed cloak for years if you have peek.

[Armaddict]

Peek with a closed cloak still shows things on belt, but you cannot peek into the cloak without unlatching.

[JohnMichaelHenry]

That's if the cloak is a container and you have an item 'inside' the cloak. Items under the cloak that are covered (belt, items on belt, shirt, etc.) Are visible with peek.

[Derain]

Swear I just tried it recently and it didn't show the weapons.

[Armaddict]

Swear I just tried it recently and it didn't show the weapons.

It doesn't show with every attempt until very high levels of peek if I recall.  Sometimes you'll catch only one or two items beneath the cloak, sometimes none, sometimes all.