Magick Code Suggestions.

[Asmoth]

Every magick subguild/class has spells that I would classify utility and spells that I would classify combat.

It's always sorta bothered me that utility spells take the same amount of effort to cast as regular.

In that vein, has it ever been discussed to have utility spells eventually ween off the need to use normal amounts of mana?

Like say I cast water mage simple spell 1 and it takes 15 mana to cast while I suck at it.  When I master it, it would cost 5.

And I'm not talking about just casting at lower horns of power, I mean for a full sul/mon cast.

I think this should be this way to simply have mages be more flashy (horrible word for it, but best I can think of right now).

Making utility spells more utility and not a gamble between, do I want to have this have a good effect (power) of spell 1, but then not be able to cast spell 2 till X?

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, but I can't get into specifics without getting yelled at for IC info.

[Malifaxis]

I think all combat based spells should start with a mana cost of 200.

[BadSkeelz]

Critical spell fails should be as dangerous as mundane skill failures. Cost you regents, cost you health, cost you stun, etc., as appropriate.

[Lizzie]

My suggestion for Magick Code:

Restore full-on sorcery as a primary guild. ALL sorc roles should require special app regardless of how much karma they have, but they need at least 7 to qualify to app in the first place.

Roll out whatever you were all gonna do with the elkros/drovian/nilaz guilds that you eliminated from the game ASAP.

Make it so invis + fly is possible. From what I can figure out based on the official docs, it currently isn't possible. If it is possible, add this as a single-line entry to EACH whiran doc, with a note: "If you wish to have this combination of spells in your spells list, please send a request via "question" on "future character" and we'll let you know which option to pick in chargen.

[Desertman]

Critical spell fails should be as dangerous as mundane skill failures. Cost you regents, cost you health, cost you stun, etc., as appropriate.

This.

[Malken]

There should be a 0.25% chance of killing every PCs logged into the game each time a magicker casts a spell.

[Majikal]

Making utility spells more utility and not a gamble between, do I want to have this have a good effect (power) of spell 1, but then not be able to cast spell 2 till X?

There are definitely some spells that are more flash and less firebally that I can think of that I wish had some custom mana tweaks to make them more viable to use. The spells without coded benefit are what I'm meaning.

The magick system overall needed some tweaks and they've came along slowly up until recently with the subguild changes, removing much of what I think was the 'grind' of playing a mage.

[Lizzie]

Making utility spells more utility and not a gamble between, do I want to have this have a good effect (power) of spell 1, but then not be able to cast spell 2 till X?

There are definitely some spells that are more flash and less firebally that I can think of that I wish had some custom mana tweaks to make them more viable to use. The spells without coded benefit are what I'm meaning.

The magick system overall needed some tweaks and they've came along slowly up until recently with the subguild changes, removing much of what I think was the 'grind' of playing a mage.

Part of what made it a "grind" is also what made it scary to -other- people. Because other people knew that "if he can fly, he can also do...[insert scary thing that people with fly used to be able to do]. Now, *players* know that "this" kind of mage can't do "that" kind of magick, and I'm starting to notice some of this knowledge leak into the game. In fact, I'd even go so far as to suggest that it makes sense for it to leak into the game. Here's why:

"I need a [element-type mage] who can [do this specific thing] for [that specific purpose.]" So I go looking for [elementalist] and find three of them, but none of them can do what I need done. They're the right element, but they're the wrong subset. So I'm not going to waste any time hoping they'll branch what I need them to do, if I know already that they will never branch it. It'd be a waste of IC and OOC time, and a lesson in futility and frustration both ICly and OOCly.

It would've been better to just not find anyone who could channel that element at all, than to find three who can channel it but not THAT aspect of it. It's just very frustrating.

[Asmoth]

I will kindly ask people to veer away from "I want full mages back" to more of the topic of discussion.

[Malifaxis]

I want half mages doubled.

Critical spell fails should be as dangerous as mundane skill failures. Cost you regents, cost you health, cost you stun, etc., as appropriate.

This.

That.  Definitely that.

[Lizzie]

I will kindly ask people to veer away from "I want full mages back" to more of the topic of discussion.

The topic of the discussion is magick code suggestions. My suggestion is to code full magicks back in. You don't have to agree with my suggestion, but it is a valid suggestion.

[Asmoth]

I will kindly ask people to veer away from "I want full mages back" to more of the topic of discussion.

The topic of the discussion is magick code suggestions. My suggestion is to code full magicks back in. You don't have to agree with my suggestion, but it is a valid suggestion.

I agree, but you already suggested that, multiple times in multiple threads when full mages were abolished.

I'm just asking we keep it to code suggestions that don't rehash old threads.

[Lizzie]

Actually - returning to the actual post that I actually posted - I didn't even ask for a return to full guilds (plural). I asked for sorcery, exclusively, to be restored, under the condition that it be lowered 1 karma point from the 8 it used to be, BUT require all apps for it be special app, which it didn't used to be.

I also asked for fly and invis to be combined somewhere in the existing system.

I also asked for the plans that the staff had posted about when they broke the elemental guilds down into segmented guilds, to be implemented - whatever those plans were - which they never specified to us, and only mentioned that they had some.

So you, Asmoth, must've been responding to someone else - though I don't see ANYONE asking to restore all magick guilds to their former existence (except me, after you snarked and asked people to not post that particular suggestion because you don't like it).

My suggestion for Magick Code:

Restore full-on sorcery as a primary guild. ALL sorc roles should require special app regardless of how much karma they have, but they need at least 7 to qualify to app in the first place.

Roll out whatever you were all gonna do with the elkros/drovian/nilaz guilds that you eliminated from the game ASAP.

Make it so invis + fly is possible. From what I can figure out based on the official docs, it currently isn't possible. If it is possible, add this as a single-line entry to EACH whiran doc, with a note: "If you wish to have this combination of spells in your spells list, please send a request via "question" on "future character" and we'll let you know which option to pick in chargen.

[Asmoth]

Actually - returning to the actual post that I actually posted - I didn't even ask for a return to full guilds (plural). I asked for sorcery, exclusively, to be restored, under the condition that it be lowered 1 karma point from the 8 it used to be, BUT require all apps for it be special app, which it didn't used to be.

I also asked for fly and invis to be combined somewhere in the existing system.

I also asked for the plans that the staff had posted about when they broke the elemental guilds down into segmented guilds, to be implemented - whatever those plans were - which they never specified to us, and only mentioned that they had some.

So you, Asmoth, must've been responding to someone else - though I don't see ANYONE asking to restore all magick guilds to their former existence (except me, after you snarked and asked people to not post that particular suggestion because you don't like it).

My suggestion for Magick Code:

Restore full-on sorcery as a primary guild. ALL sorc roles should require special app regardless of how much karma they have, but they need at least 7 to qualify to app in the first place.

Roll out whatever you were all gonna do with the elkros/drovian/nilaz guilds that you eliminated from the game ASAP.

Make it so invis + fly is possible. From what I can figure out based on the official docs, it currently isn't possible. If it is possible, add this as a single-line entry to EACH whiran doc, with a note: "If you wish to have this combination of spells in your spells list, please send a request via "question" on "future character" and we'll let you know which option to pick in chargen.

Well alrighty then.  I'll just back away from this and let you go on your tirade.

[Jingo]

hrrrrrnk

I do kind of want to see full guild mages again. But I never want to see the untracable, uncatchable mages we used to see.

[LauraMars]

Please keep this discussion nice.

[Hauwke]

I have never played any magickers before, and while it saddens me to know I probably wont get a properly beastly glass cannon mage any more let alone "alla dem spellz" I do feel that having them specialised makes some amount of sense.

So ontopic part, maybe current mages who live a stupidly long time, (see irl year or something) learning to master their current abilities, truly, truly master them. Maybe allow those full on people the ability to get more spells. Or even allow more based on what they do during that rl year, eg gick 1 spends rl year in the Byn, somehow managing to hide the fact he is a mage from them -and- master himself magickally and physically, maybe this guy could get a fireball esque spell if he doesnt already, or better yet some form of buff spell that cant be seen by others very easily. To show that this fucker has spent a long ass time mastering his shit good and proper.

Suggestion 2:
Perhaps mages need to be a little more interesting, I for one have noticed far less of them, that could just be players not in the mood to do it, or players not wanted to for whatever reason, but I have seen less.
Basically spice them up some.



Also I just realised this is a magicker code thread not magicker suggestion thread but dammit I typed this all out so I will post it. Feel free to remove or whatever if needed.

[Malifaxis]

Okay, so, sans cuntery.

This thread has lead me to start formulating a magick-related suggestion to staff, which I'm hopeful that they'll see as a good idea.  I won't go in to the details here, because it isn't for a thread to be discussed, but I would like to say, officially, that Asmoth made me think.

The idea I did come up with that I would like to present here, in this Magick Code Suggestions thread, which we are all doing our damnedest to play nice in, is this:

It would be baller ass awesome if we could play para-elementalists.  Magma mages... Krath/devastation with a touch of Ruk/Empowerment.  Mist Mages... Whiran/Travel with a touch of Viv/creation.

Now, don't get me wrong, after some initial skepticism, I have really come to love the idea of sekrit jedi lurking in all Byn latrines, but I think the idea can be made better. 

"BUT WAIT, Malifaxis," one might say, "how can we make this shit viable?  That sounds tremendously powerful!"  (I imagined Desertman saying that, who I always read the posts of in the voice of Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson.)

So this is what I came up with.

You pick your guild, you pick your subguild.  If you pick a magicker subguild, you get an additional screen of selections (YES MORE STUFF) where it asks you if you want to be a para elementalist.  And also, this is where you set your cajones on the chopping block.

If you select any para-elementalist, then you get a trade off.  You pick three starting skills you will do away with.  BING... they get removed automagickally from your character sheet.  You don't get them.  Did they branch?  Tough.  You don't get them.  Happy birthday.  Do your research.

But in return, you get two randomly chosen spells from the 'beginner' set of one of the types you pick.  If you want viv as your secondary mage-type, you might rock hard and get (censored) and (censored also), which then has the potential of releasing (censored,) (censored,) or even (censored) from the skill branch tree.  But, also, you might end up with some crappy spells, and crappy trees.  So you might own, or you might lease.

Either way, it would give a bit more wiggle room for those who want to veer towards true-mageness, and still keep us from seeing (as was mentioned before) the uber mages of old who can't ever fucking be found.

IMHO, para-elementalists should be K5 or K6... because the potential is wicked, but it also allows K2 players to spec app in to them and flex some muscle by being totally f'ing rad.

Anyway, there's my thoughts.  Hopefully un-cuntified.

(obligatory fuck goddamn shit of any typical Malifaxis post included in post-script)

[Desertman]

That's.....a pretty good idea in my opinion.

[Lizzie]

I like the general idea of that Malifaxis. Except - it goes back to the whole "newbies at a coded disadvantage that they can't "find out IC" about" problem in previous threads. Someone who is comparably new - having only had maybe 3-4 characters total, won't have experienced all the guild options and unless they read an *up to date* list somewhere, won't know which options to remove. But veterans who have experimented with more guild options and might have a better idea of what's "up to date" on the guild lists, will know better what to remove. So the new player will once again be at a distinct disadvantage for not knowing OOCly the OOC mechanisms of the OOC skills lists (as in - what branches off what, not simply which skills eventually appear on the list).

For that reason alone I'd suggest that it be bumped up to 7 karma, OR allow newer players to select this option ONLY if they are picking a main guild they've already played previously.

[Malifaxis]

I like the general idea of that Malifaxis. Except - it goes back to the whole "newbies at a coded disadvantage that they can't "find out IC" about" problem in previous threads. Someone who is comparably new - having only had maybe 3-4 characters total, won't have experienced all the guild options and unless they read an *up to date* list somewhere, won't know which options to remove. But veterans who have experimented with more guild options and might have a better idea of what's "up to date" on the guild lists, will know better what to remove. So the new player will once again be at a distinct disadvantage for not knowing OOCly the OOC mechanisms of the OOC skills lists (as in - what branches off what, not simply which skills eventually appear on the list).

For that reason alone I'd suggest that it be bumped up to 7 karma, OR allow newer players to select this option ONLY if they are picking a main guild they've already played previously.

Yeah, this isn't meant to be played by new players.  Hence the K5/6 requirement.   Even if they are K2 (spec apping up to K5) they would most likely have a firm grasping on the idea that wickedshit branches to fuckyes, which in turn branches to zomg and HOLLLAAAAA.

[Asmoth]

I like his general idea.  However I don't like it being so high of karma. Because some of us are karma locked at 1 like myself.

[Lizzie]

I like his general idea.  However I don't like it being so high of karma. Because some of us are karma locked at 1 like myself.

That has nothing to do with the topic really, and has more to do with the karma system and whether or any given player has earned the privilege of playing roles that require more responsibility and more trust from staff.

[Malifaxis]

I like his general idea.  However I don't like it being so high of karma. Because some of us are karma locked at 1 like myself.

That has nothing to do with the topic really, and has more to do with the karma system and whether or any given player has earned the privilege of playing roles that require more responsibility and more trust from staff.

In all respects, I'd like to break the subject of this thread down.

Magick - Yep.  My post was highly focused on magick.

Code - Affirmative.  This did deal with coded ideas.

Suggestions - Oh boyo, did I make suggestions.

I do find it curious how your posts also do not have much to do with the OP's first post.  However, when it is something you don't agree with, you start trumpeting about how everything is off topic and karma is bad guyz.

This thread, to me, appears to be not only a discussion, but a brainstorm session on how we can make Magick more awesome.

My post even has the backing of The Rock.  You need to smell what's cooking, Lizzie.

[Asmoth]

Beside the karma thing, the problem with instituting a large change like this is the coding aspect of it.

Having to code the prompts and subsequent changes to guild templates etc.

I think it would be easier to change the under the hood mechanics because as it is, in my opinion we have a working system but a clunky one.

If I'm playing a tinkerbell Mage and I start with gather pixie dust spell, I have to not only grind it through the different power levels (which through random number generator or whatever it uses, can happen in a day or an hour) we them need to grind it through the branching point which is failure based like everything else which could take a day or a week.

Which if you are actually doing anything besides pure grinding your tinkerbell Mage, you are falling behind the "twinks" and just those who get luckier with the rolls.

So you can have a well played tink that's half branched or half powered to a tink that appears out of no where and is flying back and forth to neverland at will (if you get the analogy).

While I understand the current system works I don't think we should leave a low grade system alone just for the sake of it working.