Asmoth's query in ATS

[Lizzie]

Would you ever entertain removing a hard cap (Journeyman, Advanced) on a skill for a character who's been around a while.  (And by a character, I mean mine, but no seriously, anyone who lives for some time rl).

Reasoning behind asking this question and feeling it's realistic is because you WOULD improve at something over years and decades of time.  You may never become a master or have the natural aptitude for it, but the stone wall of:

The bolded is WHY you would not go beyond the hard cap on the skill. If you don't have the natural aptitude for something, why do you think you should become better at it than the best you are already able to be?

I could be incredibly agile, stupendously strong, astoundingly wise, have an AI in all my stats with 160 natural mana, 200 natural hp, 200 natural stun and movement points.

But if I have lousy hand-eye coordination, I will NEVER be very good with archery or embroidery. Consider that your warrior/thug has lousy hand-eye coordination, which is why his sap skill will only max out at jman (or whatever applies in whatever case you're asking about).

[Doublepalli]

So why can't warriors hit master weapon skills? As far as I've seen, you can't get past advanced.

[Yam]

I think that's a vagary of the visible skill system. Some skills may cap at 100/100 and that gets you (master). Some may only cap at 90/100 and that gets you (advanced). So warriors may have the highest cap weapon skills, but they only go up to advanced.

[Lizzie]

What Yam said, plus also other guilds/subguilds might also get (advanced) but their max cap is only 81, in a range of 81-90, where the warrior's max cap is 90, in the same range. Warriors can be THE BEST at things that no one else can be THE BEST at. The word designation of (advanced) isn't a yardline. It's the space between two yardlines.

Or it might possibly be that this guild can get the same advanced that warriors get at this skill and that skill, but they don't even get the third, fourth, fifth, and sixth skill on their list at all. And that guild might get this, that, and the other skill on the same advanced that warriors get, but they don't get the fourth, second, or 8th skill on their list at all.

The point being - warriors are exactly what the documentation suggests: the best at weapon-based combat, overall. If the best means 90 in each of 10 different skills, as opposed to 100 in each of 2 skills and 90 in the other 8, then that's what it means.

This is why I don't like the word designations "advanced" "master" (and all the others) on our skills list. It causes more dissention and resentment and comparison than anything else.

[seidhr]

Warriors do get master weapon skills.  It's very hard to raise it to that level.  You need to be challenged (in fighting) to raise any of your skills.  If you stop being challenged, you will stop advancing your skill.

[wizturbo]

(Shameless plug)

Gee.  I wonder if fighting exotic beasts or squaring off with the very best fighters in the world in the Arena would provide that challenge needed to become a master? 

[Jihelu]

(Shameless plug)

Gee.  I wonder if fighting exotic beasts or squaring off with the very best fighters in the world in the Arena would provide that challenge needed to become a master? 

Here's the general idea with the new update, new meaning a while back. Atleast if I read it right.
If you and a buddy twinked on each other with real weapons, like idiots, to the point where both of you would occasionally have a higher skill than one another, you would both be able to hit master...though it would still take forever.
Thats because one of you would get better than the other, then the other would get better because of the skill misses.
That being said you probably won't miss anyway.

But to level up you don't want to win against fighting the best fighters, you want to lose. Though losing in those situations doesn't always mean you'll survive.

[wizturbo]

Find out IC regarding the Gladiator movement in Allanak.  It isn't the suicidal profession everyone is making it out to be.  Some sensible things have been put in place to make it a role people can sink their teeth into.