3/21/16 Update Discussion Thread

[Pale Horse]

A bit bummed about the removal of my favorite 'gicker classes.

Unlike a Pure Sorcerer, though, I at least had the chance to play them.

[Delirium]

This could potentially open the way to introduce different reaches into the playable sphere?

Under the old system, the ones I've witnessed in the "Bad Old Arm 2 Days" were far too powerful.

Under this system, though, I see it being possible.

[seidhr]

Also, will there be any change to Gemmed?  I mean, if he looks and acts like a ranger, he's gonna be harder to figure out unless he tells you he's a whatever.

There have been elementalists, psionicists, merchants, and all the other dregs of society joining the Byn and acting like (terrible) warriors for many years.  I don't see how that will change now!

[BadSkeelz]

Also, will there be any change to Gemmed?  I mean, if he looks and acts like a ranger, he's gonna be harder to figure out unless he tells you he's a whatever.

I'm not sure what you mean. If someone is able to hide their nature, that's an IC situation.

Can I have my Bag of Magick-Detecting Baubles back?

[palomar]

Where did Ruk touch you?

A lot of interesting opportunities opening up with these mundane/magickal combinations. Time to think about magicker PCs in an entirely different way, concept-wise...

Sorry to see drovs, elkrosians and nilazi go, as far as guilds are concerned but curious about how the spells will be worked back in. Might turn into some solid advantages for the sorcerer subguilds, despite the over all reduction in spell numbers compared to full sorcs.

A little worried that elemental magick will feel less scary or at least less powerful, but these new subs will provide increased uncertainty about what magickers can do.. so maybe it'll balance out.

All in all though, a shake up was probably needed and I'm happy and appreciative of the effort put into this!

Edited to add: Interesting idea about reaches, Delirium. I think it'd be possible too.

[Asmoth]

Also, will there be any change to Gemmed?  I mean, if he looks and acts like a ranger, he's gonna be harder to figure out unless he tells you he's a whatever.

I'm not sure what you mean. If someone is able to hide their nature, that's an IC situation.

Fair enough.  Are we supposed to just act like this is how it's always been?  Because this an ooc change?  And what are the current mages considered in the realm of conversation?  Since they are more than all the other groupings.

[BadSkeelz]

Can we re-open Tuluk so I can play a Templar and karate-chop these magickal scrubguilds with impunity?

[Delirium]

Will staff be posting the help files for all the new subguilds shortly? Also when I check my karma options I still see that I have some magic guilds I can play, is this an oversight or are these changes not live yet?

http://armageddon.org/help/view/Rukkians
http://armageddon.org/help/view/Vivaduans
http://armageddon.org/help/view/Whirans
http://armageddon.org/help/view/Krathis

This doesn't go into what "touched" means... I'm curious. Cantrips? A handful of non-branching spells? Gimme details!

(So... where on the dolly did the element touch you?)

[Rathustra]

Also, will there be any change to Gemmed?  I mean, if he looks and acts like a ranger, he's gonna be harder to figure out unless he tells you he's a whatever.

I'm not sure what you mean. If someone is able to hide their nature, that's an IC situation.

Fair enough.  Are we supposed to just act like this is how it's always been?  Because this an ooc change?  And what are the current mages considered in the realm of conversation?  Since they are more than all the other groupings.

I still think I'm not sure 100% what you're asking. But I think you're asking whether PCs should notice that magickers are suddenly able to do stuff (mundane stuff) that magickers couldn't do before. In that situation I'd advise 'acting like it's always been that way' - because the magicker guild's inability to fight was a coded limitation - there was no reason, using game-wold logic, why a magicker was crap at mundane tasks.

So when you find out Amos the Bynner who was super good at rough circle is a gemmer, you shouldn't be surprised - because gickers can be anyone. Not just the weaklings.

[th3kaiser]

Using the mage-loving lobe of my brain, I'm a little sad. Using the power-gaming bits, I'm slightly terrified as to what'll be possible with a mundane main and a focused elemental sub.

[Rathustra]

Will staff be posting the help files for all the new subguilds shortly? Also when I check my karma options I still see that I have some magic guilds I can play, is this an oversight or are these changes not live yet?

http://armageddon.org/help/view/Rukkians
http://armageddon.org/help/view/Vivaduans
http://armageddon.org/help/view/Whirans
http://armageddon.org/help/view/Krathis

This doesn't go into what "touched" means... I'm curious. Cantrips? A handful of non-branching spells? Gimme details!

(So... where on the dolly did the element touch you?)

A new helpfile on the topic might be in order. Otherwise I can only offer what's in the FAQ:

What are the 'touched' subguilds?
The touched subguilds are a new variety of elementalist (though this distinction is currently entirely OOC) that experience their elemental connection in a less explicit way. Possessing a mixture of magickal power and mundane prowess imparted through cantrips, these elementalists offer a new way to build a magicker PC.

[Rathustra]

Rathustra's personal picks: Whiran tempest, vivaduan corruptor, krathi beguiler. Not in that order.

[lostinspace]

I've logged out and in a few times, I am still seeing the main guilds on my options list that I get when I press 'o' on the login menu. Is this meant to mean I have access to all of the parts of that guild? Also incredibly sad I missed my chance at playing a Nilazi and a Drovian, I was saving the funnest sounding for last .

[Case]

Can you please post rough rates of magickal expression among the population so it stops being treated as a common thing thematically?

[RogueGunslinger]

I like it! Kinda. I mean, I do like it, but I am not sure whether to feel bad for current drovs/elkros/nilazi or to be very jealous of them.

[Rathustra]

Can you please post rough rates of magickal expression among the population so it stops being treated as a common thing thematically?

I can try and add more references to the rarity of magickal expression, but solid numbers always end up being millstones around our necks. Let me see what I can do.

[th3kaiser]

Hah, yeah. I wonder how many people with pure 'gickers are currently going, welp....I have the PC I'm going to keep for the rest of my life.

[Asmoth]

Can you please post rough rates of magickal expression among the population so it stops being treated as a common thing thematically?

Probably not the right topic to post that question in, this is about the goodness of this change.  No more glass cannons, now they are tanks, that fire MAGICK.

[manonfire]

Hah, yeah. I wonder how many people with pure 'gickers are currently going, welp....I have the PC I'm going to keep for the rest of my life.

o/

[Rathustra]

Will staff be posting the help files for all the new subguilds shortly? Also when I check my karma options I still see that I have some magic guilds I can play, is this an oversight or are these changes not live yet?

http://armageddon.org/help/view/Rukkians
http://armageddon.org/help/view/Vivaduans
http://armageddon.org/help/view/Whirans
http://armageddon.org/help/view/Krathis

This doesn't go into what "touched" means... I'm curious. Cantrips? A handful of non-branching spells? Gimme details!

(So... where on the dolly did the element touch you?)

Also these might help glean some hints:
http://armageddon.org/help/view/Elementalist
http://armageddon.org/help/view/cantrip

[Desertman]

I like it.

This new system seems to fit so much better with the lore and theme of the gameworld in my opinion.

[Asmoth]

Hah, yeah. I wonder how many people with pure 'gickers are currently going, welp....I have the PC I'm going to keep for the rest of my life.

Nah, I know I'm personally wondering how I'm going to resist making a ranger/magicker at the earliest availability.

[Asmoth]

I like it.

This new system seems to fit so much better with the lore and theme of the gameworld in my opinion.

Yes sir, plus it makes more sense for characters who manifest later in life.

Old system:

I was a warrior in the byn, then all the sudden rainbows shot out of my ass and I sucked at fighting, but all the sudden could make rainbows!

New System:

Yeah I kicked your ass for years in the Byn, now I can shoot fire from the hand not holding my weapon, come at me bitch.

[BadSkeelz]

Can you please post rough rates of magickal expression among the population so it stops being treated as a common thing thematically?

Probably not the right topic to post that question in, this is about the goodness of this change.  No more glass cannons, now they are tanks, that fire MAGICK.

It is on topic because there's probably going to be a lot more magickal characters in the game soon. The rest of us need to know just how common magick is supposed to be so we can RP against it.

[Desertman]

Shit I might even play a magicker at some point now.

Hidden and secret of course while living out my normal mundane life in a realistic manner with extreme fear about ever being found out...but still...this is much more interesting for me personally.