Are you topless or not?

Started by nauta, June 25, 2015, 11:40:37 AM

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June 25, 2015, 11:40:37 AM
I IDEA'd this in game, but then I thought maybe there was a way to tell... 

Is there a way to tell if someone is topless or merely has their cloak/robe closed (thus hiding whatever shirt they are wearing)?  I know that PEEK will give you that information, but not all of us have PEEK, of course.

(This is kind of a 'code discussion'... although feel free to move it wherever.)

as IF you didn't just have them unconscious, naked, and helpless in the street 4 minutes ago
June 25, 2015, 11:45:24 AM #1
If their cloak or robe is closed, they are not topless.   ???
June 25, 2015, 11:46:44 AM #2
My characters all wear sunslits indoors, wearing naught but a closed cloak and something about the waist that you can't see. deal. :p
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June 25, 2015, 11:47:21 AM #3 Last Edit: June 25, 2015, 11:49:12 AM by nauta
Quote from: Marauder Moe on June 25, 2015, 11:45:24 AM
If their cloak or robe is closed, they are not topless.   ???

Right, but you can't (or at least I can't) tell by looking if that cloak is open or closed.  So they could have a closed robe (with or without shirt)... or they could be topless with an open robe.  Unless I'm missing something.
as IF you didn't just have them unconscious, naked, and helpless in the street 4 minutes ago
June 25, 2015, 11:49:15 AM #4
So really you want to know whether or not someone's robe is closed or not, by looking at them.
June 25, 2015, 11:52:40 AM #5
Quote from: seidhr on June 25, 2015, 11:49:15 AM
So really you want to know whether or not someone's robe is closed or not, by looking at them.

Yeah, that's way more succinct.  Is there?
as IF you didn't just have them unconscious, naked, and helpless in the street 4 minutes ago
June 25, 2015, 12:03:53 PM #6
Oh, I get it now.

Maybe... force all characters to get torso and genital "scars" on their body and.... waist?    :D
June 25, 2015, 12:25:08 PM #7
If someone's robe or cloak is open, and worn <about body>, you will be able to see whatever they are wearing <on body>, <as belt>, <about waist>, and <hanging from belt>.

If someone is wearing a robe or cloak <on body>, they are by definition clothed.

If someone's robe or cloak is closed, and worn <about body>, you won't be able to see anything in the locations, above, without the peek skill.

The only time it's a problem is if a person is wearing nothing in the aforementioned covered slots, has no scars or tattoos on their body or waist, and is wearing an open or closed cloak.  Under that unique circumstance, yes...without the peek skill, you cannot tell whether they are actually wearing stuff, with a closed cloak or whether their torso is naked with an open cloak.  I'd guess that this is a fairly uncommon occurrence, given the popularity of the Armageddon Dress-Up minigame.

Does that answer your question?

Solution:

At chargen, every PC must choose from the following default "scars" for the <body> location:

1) a pair of fabulous tits, the best you've ever seen
2) magnificently shredded pectorals and six-pack abs
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June 25, 2015, 12:32:11 PM #8
I would encourage someone to use a tdesc if they're going around bare chested. Since that would be noticeable and not the norm for either gender.

Sandstorm nipples.  Sunburn. These just leap immediately to mind.
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June 25, 2015, 12:37:57 PM #9
Quote from: valeria on June 25, 2015, 12:32:11 PM
Sandstorm nipples.  Sunburn. These just leap immediately to mind.

I look forward to approving "the weatherworn-nippled man" soon.
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June 25, 2015, 01:08:07 PM #10
I remember meeting some guy on the road who didn't believe in covering up his chest. Found him dead to a scrab three hours later. I loled.
June 25, 2015, 01:22:45 PM #11
Quote from: valeria on June 25, 2015, 12:32:11 PM
I would encourage someone to use a tdesc if they're going around bare chested. Since that would be noticeable and not the norm for either gender.
I once walked around without pants for 3 RL days before I realized.
June 25, 2015, 04:23:01 PM #12
no
June 25, 2015, 06:29:16 PM #13
Quote from: John on June 25, 2015, 01:22:45 PM
Quote from: valeria on June 25, 2015, 12:32:11 PM
I would encourage someone to use a tdesc if they're going around bare chested. Since that would be noticeable and not the norm for either gender.
I once walked around without pants for 3 RL days before I realized.
We said not wearing a shirt was weird, no one mentioned pants.
June 25, 2015, 07:00:06 PM #14
Quote from: Synthesis on June 25, 2015, 12:25:08 PM
without the peek skill, you cannot tell whether they are actually wearing stuff, with a closed cloak or whether their torso is naked with an open cloak.

You can by looking at their cloak by itself. Well, not if they are wearing something underneath.
June 25, 2015, 07:20:54 PM #15
Quote from: The Silence of the Erdlus on June 25, 2015, 07:00:06 PM
Quote from: Synthesis on June 25, 2015, 12:25:08 PM
without the peek skill, you cannot tell whether they are actually wearing stuff, with a closed cloak or whether their torso is naked with an open cloak.

You can by looking at their cloak by itself. Well, not if they are wearing something underneath.

Looking at the cloak itself doesn't tell you whether it's open or closed.
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June 25, 2015, 10:26:25 PM #16
I've always figured character ldescs should include alerts when looking at a room.

E.g.

The blond, toned man is standing here. [armed]
The blue-eyed, shapely woman is standing here [lit torch].
The raven-haired, doe-eyed woman is sitting at the bar here. [half-naked]
The towering, tuber-nosed half-giant is standing at the bar here. [badly injured]

And so on.
June 25, 2015, 11:27:17 PM #17
Quote from: Eyeball on June 25, 2015, 10:26:25 PM
I've always figured character ldescs should include alerts when looking at a room.

E.g.

The blond, toned man is standing here. [armed]
The blue-eyed, shapely woman is standing here [lit torch].
The raven-haired, doe-eyed woman is sitting at the bar here. [half-naked]
The towering, tuber-nosed half-giant is standing at the bar here. [badly injured]

And so on.

Those would all be really great! You should start your own thread with this.
June 26, 2015, 01:52:20 AM #18
You can sorta do that now with change ldesc...but the onus is on the player to be a good rper and set their pose.  I agree it might be nice if the code was smart enough to change your default ldesc for you under the right circumstances, kinda like how it does if you're injured.

The blond, toned man is standing here, sword in hand.
The blue-eyed, shapely woman is standing here, holding a flickering torch aloft.
The raven-haired, doe-eyed woman is sitting at the bar here, torso bare of clothing.
The towering, tuber-nosed half-giant is standing at the bar here, bleeding profusely. (the code takes care of this one for us, albeit in not-always-realistic ways)
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June 26, 2015, 02:43:55 AM #19
Quote from: valeria on June 25, 2015, 12:32:11 PM
I would encourage someone to use a tdesc if they're going around bare chested. Since that would be noticeable and not the norm for either gender.

Sandstorm nipples.  Sunburn. These just leap immediately to mind.

Are there norms for one gender, that aren't allowed with the other? (trick question, I've observed already several times) Whether it's the "norm" or not, when you're inside, in the walls, it really should not matter.
June 26, 2015, 02:52:13 AM #20
Quote from: Eyeball on June 25, 2015, 10:26:25 PM
I've always figured character ldescs should include alerts when looking at a room.

E.g.

The blond, toned man is standing here. [armed]
The blue-eyed, shapely woman is standing here [lit torch].
The raven-haired, doe-eyed woman is sitting at the bar here. [half-naked]
The towering, tuber-nosed half-giant is standing at the bar here. [badly injured]

And so on.

I don't like this.

The stuff like that in tags is a big part of the reason why I dislike a lot of other muds.

If you want to see what someone is (or isn't) wearing, you have to LOOK at them. Just like RL.
Same if you want to see what they have in their hand (lit torch)
Same as if you want to see if they are injured or not.

I fail to see where this would add to anything, and in fact, I think it would just give people MORE reason to be unrealistic assholes who act like you're staring them down hard enough to see their soul just by using the look command.

If anything, I think that look should be a hemote.

Back on topic, however - I wonder if there's a way to show this with the code the way you can see if a liquid vessel is empty. (ie: just add 'closed' to a closed version of the garment, open to an open one, or both to the correct state, the same way as 'bloodied/sweat stained/etc' shows up conditionally in the sdesc of an item worn.
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June 26, 2015, 02:55:17 AM #21 Last Edit: June 26, 2015, 02:56:58 AM by The7DeadlyVenomz
I'd really rather look be a silent echo, unless customized by pre or post emotes. If the tags were appended, certianly not as bracketed words, but rather as appended sentence structures, such as:

The hulking grey mul stands here, half-naked, lightly-injured, and armed.

Structured thusly, I could get behind it.
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June 26, 2015, 03:13:46 AM #22
Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on June 26, 2015, 02:55:17 AM
I'd really rather look be a silent echo, unless customized by pre or post emotes. If the tags were appended, certianly not as bracketed words, but rather as appended sentence structures, such as:

The hulking grey mul stands here, half-naked, lightly-injured, and armed.

Structured thusly, I could get behind it.

Better than getting in front of it.
June 26, 2015, 03:54:26 AM #23
 :D
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June 26, 2015, 03:55:31 AM #24 Last Edit: June 26, 2015, 04:02:41 AM by Eyeball
Quote from: bardlyone on June 26, 2015, 02:52:13 AM
If you want to see what someone is (or isn't) wearing, you have to LOOK at them. Just like RL.

When you enter a room, you don't have to take time to explicitly stare in turn at each person or object present to notice unusual conditions. You immediately and pretty much automatically notice that naked person, or the one covered in blood, or the one waving a gun around.

But if you hate it that much, an option could always be provided to switch off the tags so you personally don't see them.
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