House Valika- that flying creature

[Bast]

Sooooo... I 've been bored and done all the crests for all the Southern Noble Houses, while likely typoing all over the place on Arm because my keyboard and wacom tablet hate each other. I'm still working on doing a set of nobles from all playable noble Houses I just got a little side tracked and decided for future art projects I would be doing myself a favor by doing the heraldry for each of the Houses. I've got all nine but I'm having a creative block on decided what do with the 'flying creature' between two cactus's in house Valakia emblem.

Where I am now:



In my delirium and frustration the other night I decided it should be the Flying Spaghetti Monster. While yes I know his great noodleness isn't very Arm. I've actually grown to like this version a great deal. Particularly the way his great noodly appendages caress the cacti lovingly.

-ramen

So I'm currently open for thoughts and suggestions. What do you think the odd flying thingy between two cactus's should be? Vague mutli-winged air elemental ish being is the best I've got not..aside from FSM

[FantasyWriter]

I've always seen it as a sand bat, probably because... sand bats and cactus people.

[LauraMars]

a giant flying sack of obsidian coins

[Bast]

a giant flying sack of obsidian coins

I like this 

[valeria]

I always kind of thought it was a silt flier for some reason.

[Agent_137]

hm so the docs say "a winged creature hovering between two cacti."

Winged creatures mentioned in the docs:
* dune vulture
* silt hawk
* silt flyer
* barakhan liizards

I also dug into the dark sun creature guide and found some other options:
* Aarakocra - vulture people
* Cloud Ray - gargantuan manta-ray of the sky
* Kestrekel  -  vulture-looking bird-thing

Other ideas would be pretty much any winged mythological animal, since this is heraldry.

Or mix and match any animal with one that has wings, which is what half of the animals in the above link are anyway.

Winged kank!

[FantasyWriter]

Roc.

[Bast]

Agent your awesome thank you! Think I'm gonna go  Kestrekel, I'm trying to steer away from the birds of prey (roc's included) just because they all have similar profiles and Rennik's is a hawk



I just think they would look to similar and you can't really convey size well on an emblem unless I had like...screaming people in their talons or something

[Agent_137]

cool, glad I could help. I just googled kestrekel and found a little back story that would explain why they're used.

http://www.lomion.de/cmm/kestreke.php

Wild kes'trekel are impossible to domesticate. Those hatched from stolen eggs make excellent watch birds. In such cases, the kes'trekels' cowardly nature loses out to their defensive nature. Many merchants rely on the squawked warnings of their avian sentinels.

[Beethoven]

My personal opinion is that it should be something that's kind of hard to discern, which would be why it is described vaguely as a "winged creature."

[Bushranger]

I really like the Flying Spaghetti Monster too! Totally should be the "Flying Creature" for the Valika!

[Talia]

Let's make it a serpent.

Also, I went to look at staff-side documentation for this stuff, and...wow. It's fucked-up, you guys. It pretty much doesn't match player-side documentation at all. For Valika it says: "Green and silver, their emblem an upturned hand, wrapped about with a strand of ivy." WTF. (The staff-side documentation is probably older than some players, and probably it was just someone's brainstorming idea, and never got corrected when the actual documentation went on the website.)

[WWYD]

Isn't that the Fale emblem?

[Bast]

Let's make it a serpent.

Also, I went to look at staff-side documentation for this stuff, and...wow. It's fucked-up, you guys. It pretty much doesn't match player-side documentation at all. For Valika it says: "Green and silver, their emblem an upturned hand, wrapped about with a strand of ivy." WTF. (The staff-side documentation is probably older than some players, and probably it was just someone's brainstorming idea, and never got corrected when the actual documentation went on the website.)

Thats Fale...>.>

Also your the boss the snake it is!

[Bushranger]

"Green and Silver. The emblem of noodles wrapped around a ball of minced scrab meat floating between two cacti." - Fixed.

[Bast]

"Green and Silver. The emblem of noodles wrapped around a ball of minced scrab meat floating between two cacti." - Fixed.

hahahha I would like to point out that all the holes in logic and science as also easily explained by FSM. Sky is red which would mean no/low oxygen in the atmosphere..why? The touch of His noodly appendages...Giant bugs, when we all know insects don't get that big without high levels of oxygen that would kill humans...why? The touch of His noodly appendages..Whats past the silt sea? You'll never know because their are secretly pirates out there. The same pirates that have likely prevented Zalanthas red sun from baking the world. As all Pastafarians know there is a direct link between global warming and pirates.

[Talia]

Isn't that the Fale emblem?

According to the staff-side documentation (which is, again, super-old and clearly never got updated and synced correctly), it is: "Purple and green, their emblem a vast mansion, its doors decorated with a pair of crossed steel swords. Variant: a woman's hand, holding an overbrimming wineglass, surrounded by a coil of ivy."

But I'm taking the player-side documentation as the actual game documentation at this point. Meaning...the staff-side documentation is wrong.

[Talia]

Thats Fale...>.>

I know, right?!?! Very close. Too close.

[MeTekillot]

Fale's emblem did use to be a sword thingie, though, at least?

[Gaare]

Thank you Bast!

I still enjoy AD&D Dark Sun materials;

Sun Drake


Kes'trekel

(From new monster manual: http://burntlands.wdfiles.com/local--files/gadventure-journal/KestrekelSmall.jpg)

Air Drake


Ptrerrax


Razorwing



Edited to add: Ah, Agent_137 mentioned them above.

[Desertman]

Let's make it a serpent.

Also, I went to look at staff-side documentation for this stuff, and...wow. It's fucked-up, you guys. It pretty much doesn't match player-side documentation at all. For Valika it says: "Green and silver, their emblem an upturned hand, wrapped about with a strand of ivy." WTF. (The staff-side documentation is probably older than some players, and probably it was just someone's brainstorming idea, and never got corrected when the actual documentation went on the website.)

The fact you did not know this as a staff member adds a bit of mystery back to the game for me.

I have no idea why, it just does. It makes the game feel "big" for me again for some reason.

[Bast]

comments?

[BadSkeelz]

Looks cool (they all do) but isn't a flying serpent a northie thing?

My own reading of a "winged creature hovering" is of a hawk-like silhouette, particularly as some hawks can legit hover for a short time.

[Talia]

The fact you did not know this as a staff member adds a bit of mystery back to the game for me.

I have no idea why, it just does. It makes the game feel "big" for me again for some reason.

Most of the virtual world is heavily undefined and undocumented. Which on the one hand is pretty neat, because if we want to bring something "new" into the game from the virtual background then we can just document it and build it out. On the other hand it's not neat because documenting and building out is a lot of work!

There's certainly plenty of "room" left in the game world. It's just a matter of building it out in a manner and at a time which makes sense. E.g. if right now we are wanting to consolidate the playerbase, then building stuff that will scatter players around the world doesn't make a lot of sense from a game design perspective (despite the fact that it might be cool stuff, or that some people would enjoy it, or that it is virtually already in the world).

Looks cool (they all do) but isn't a flying serpent a northie thing?

My own reading of a "winged creature hovering" is of a hawk-like silhouette, particularly as some hawks can legit hover for a short time.

There's a winged snake that's in the north but there's no reason that the south couldn't use a fantastical image of a winged serpent in something.

Unless Bast wants to make it a FLYING SPIDER, which I would totally get behind. It sounds kind of awkward and I would probably also then be tempted to put them in game...

Hawk is Rennik, as noted, and I think less duplication of stuff is better. I'm still annoyed that Borsail and Tor are so close in their colors.

[Marauder Moe]

Unless Bast wants to make it a FLYING SPIDER, which I would totally get behind. It sounds kind of awkward and I would probably also then be tempted to put them in game...

Nope... it's fine.  That won't be necessary.  Right, Bast?  RIGHT?!

[bcw81]

Unless Bast wants to make it a FLYING SPIDER, which I would totally get behind. It sounds kind of awkward and I would probably also then be tempted to put them in game...

Nope... it's fine.  That won't be necessary.  Right, Bast?  RIGHT?!

I think what you meant to say is the South needs a mirror image for the golden kryl fliers in the form of spiders.

[BadSkeelz]

Tor should switch to pink, the color of the flayed man . Or merge with Borsail in to House Torsail.


Re: Valika, it's not really fantastical when you know there's one less than a day's ride away. There are also silt flyers which are somewhat pterodactyl-like.  

[HavokBlue]

Tuluk already had flying spiders

[wizturbo]

Unless Bast wants to make it a FLYING SPIDER, which I would totally get behind.....

This would be a good time to post this picture for the second time.



Who doesn't want to see one of these cuddly creatures on their next desert excursion?!

[Gaare]

Beatiful work. All look great! Maybe Wagon in Rennik's banner.. It does not look Zalanthian, but in any case they look great.

[Bast]

Beatiful work. All look great! Maybe Wagon in Rennik's banner.. It does not look Zalanthian, but in any case they look great.

Best example I could find that was going to take 40+ hours to redefine as a custom shape. Also with logos less detail is better..what important is you can look at it and go..yes that's wagon. The entire point of the art project for me was so I could quickly pull parts of these up to add details to pc portraits. I drew most of theses by hand, scanned them,  and then turned them into custom shapes  on Adobe Photoshop. Which will let me add them as tiny details or armor of clothing later.

[FantasyWriter]

I love the great outdoors both IRL and IG.  If flying spiders every start showing up in either, I will be hiding behind locked doors.
Seriously, it is a concept that has never crossed my mind, and that image is likely going to give me nightmares.

Screw you, Wizturbo... screw... you.   

[WithSprinkles]

I'm not scared of spiders and that freaked ME out...

[wizturbo]

Sorry FantasyWriter.  

If it makes you feel any better, it was an April Fools joke

http://controversialtimes.com/science/scientists-discover-species-of-flying-spider-and-its-highly-venomous/

[Bast]

Unless Bast wants to make it a FLYING SPIDER, which I would totally get behind. It sounds kind of awkward and I would probably also then be tempted to put them in game...

Nope... it's fine.  That won't be necessary.  Right, Bast?  RIGHT?!

PFFTT...! What?! No..I totally wasn't going to do anything >.>
em hides her computer screen as she tries to close out Adobe...

[Bast]

its a cute spider though! Has pixie wings!

[BadSkeelz]

i dont like this thread naymore

[Majikal]

Pretty sure a sand bat is appropriate for the cactus thing but hawks seem more 'noble' to me.

shrug.

[AdamBlue]

I want a flying spider mount.
I want more flying mounts in general, pls.

Also, hey, wtf, why can't beetles fly? Most beetles -have- wings to fly with.

[Zenith]

comments?

I LOVE this!! Great work! Rennik is awesome, too!

[AdamBlue]

Pro tip:
Some spiders DO fly.
It's a process called ballooning where they throw their web up into the air and soar off on the winds.

...Also, on that note, we need some flying contraptions IC.

[Mordiggian]

...Also, on that note, we need some flying contraptions IC.

I believe they are called argosies 

[Talia]

I believe they are called argosies 

*rimshot!*

[AdamBlue]

...Also, on that note, we need some flying contraptions IC.

I believe they are called argosies 

ar·go·sy
ˈärɡəsē/
nounliterary
noun: argosy; plural noun: argosies

    a large merchant ship, originally one from Ragusa (now Dubrovnik) or Venice.

A.K.A: A large vessel full of lots of italian sausage.
A.K.A: UR MOM