Tuluk Closing to PC play -- discussion thread

[skeetdaddle]

My two cents....

I'm surprised that there seems to be very little saddness over Tuluk closing and that the general consensus seems to be "good riddance". I have always been much more drawn to Tuluk's culture (which never seemed awkward to me until some of the more recent changes were implemented). I appreciated that instead of being dark and brooding on the surface and underneath (like Allanak), Tuluk was brightly colored and sunshiny with its dark parts tucked neatly away where most couldn't see them. I have always liked Tuluk better than Allanak (plus as someone who has played more than one ranger, this is going to make playing indies that much harder since Tuluk has always had more tame game surrounding it to hunt).

I understand the decision, it seems like it was well thought out, but I for one am quite bummed about it. I did not like some of the more recent changes that had taken place in Tuluk (seemed like it was trying to be shaped into New Allanak or something....) but Tuluk of 3 RL years ago....oh man,...I had soooo much fun. My longest lived character ever was Tuluki militia and had some really fun plots.

I am very saddened that my favorite place to play is now closed.

[Zoan]

The surroundings are still open. The city's gates are closed.

[skeetdaddle]

Yes, but the conveniently located city to trade in is going to be closed.

[Saellyn]

Tuluk get rekt.

[Down Under]

Yes, but the conveniently located city to trade in is going to be closed.

TL;DR the thread...

It looks like they are going to open up a trading outpost or something in the North, so the 'trade' will still be there in some aspect. A place to go to in the North that just isn't Tuluk.

[Erythil]

Consolidating the player base will be good for off-peakers, I think.

[Is Friday]

Observation made on Teamspeak just now:

The playerbase was more enraged by taking rape out of the game than closing Tuluk.

Think about it.

[Centurion]

Cause it was something you dirty sob's did more in Allanak than Tuluk, and we all know Allanaki whine more than Tuluki, hence the bigger reaction to rape being removed

[Saellyn]

Sorry, it happened more in Tuluk than Allanak.

[Molten Heart]

I'm not surprised the rape supporters were angry while the Tuluk supporters are less than vocal about thier dissent. No doubt shadow artists are being contracted.

[X-D]

I've been dying to see a more consolidated player population for quite some time.

That always amuses me. The playerbase will not consolidate, as you close options generally players either leave or simply spread out other directions

I am not a Tuluk fanboy by any means...but I think that closing it is an odd thing. I could understand just about anything else getting closed to consolidate staff.

In the beginning of this game it was Tuluk and Allanak...with a barely there place known as Redstorm.


Hell, I'd close every GMH and noble house before I would close a citystate like that.

[ColouredCoat]

Please may we have our party on the 24th, uninterrupted by a plague of rats?

[Armaddict]

I dunno.  The north as an 'out there' place is pretty sweet.  The favorite phase of the north for me was the rebellion, more because of how 'wild' the north was than anything else.  All the badasses were in the north, because it was untamed.

I'm thinking we'll see more of that wild westness there, with the major city closed, but with many people preferring to get their resources there.  It -could- be pretty neat.

[Kol]

Uhhhhh.....

[bracken]

All right. I have had a day to think and an hour to read the thread. I will miss the yin and yang. I will miss the chance to be a foreigner in the wrong place at the wrong time,and the disasters I have seen happen around this. (virtually being born in Tuluk is not the same.)
If I miss Tuluk too much, I can read over old logs and pretend.
I am sad for those who have to store their PCs. Thank you for some wonderful characters.
My favorite places in this game are around Tuluk. If I have to sit at a bar (that's not the Pub), I would chose the Gaj.

Still sad, not mad.

[X-D]

Slowly reading through this thread...and I come across...

We expect that Luir's will become a much more interesting place to play in. We're looking at ways to help facilitate that.

The only possible way I could see that coming about is if Kurac no longer controlled it....and like that will happen.

Also, "PC's will have reason to leave Tuluk." Now, I am not asking what that might be, but I was wondering...what about the inks they have?

Leaving Tuluk is not really viable if the PC is still to be saddled with these...will those that want it be able to have them removed, or covered, with say different tats?

[Dakota]

Hell, I'd close every GMH and noble house before I would close a citystate like that.

This.

Also, "PC's will have reason to leave Tuluk." Now, I am not asking what that might be, but I was wondering...what about the inks they have?

Leaving Tuluk is not really viable if the PC is still to be saddled with these...will those that want it be able to have them removed, or covered, with say different tats?

While this has been addressed re: Tuluki Expats being an option to play, you'd have to effectively retcon the general behavior towards Tuluki's in Allanak to give them a chance, b/c otherwise they're just doomed if you expect to do anything remotely visible, correct?  

Even in the Rinth where Northern Human or Northern elf would get (and have gotten) whacked in a short time after arriving...  Sure they're expections but Arm isn't exactly a place where you play the exceptions to the rule... In fact in many regards it's frowned up.  So why manufacture a situation that forces it?

Or will these Tuluki Expats get a pass, which in a way a lose situation for Allanaki Roleplay in general.  I'd like to know since theirs a portion of the playerbase that were encouraged to play in Tuluk and now are given a pat on the back and a 2 week notice to sort things out...

Edit: Also thinking of the -PRACTICAL- ramifications for what this means to Magick and Magickers in Arm since they are losing the biggest Spectrum of their "Checks and Balances".  Yes, sure it's to be expected it will be Roleplayed... But again, that's a bit of a reach. Roleplaying fear of Magick / hate of Magick is a lot easier (and more widespread) when it's reinforced by an active city-state that hates / destroys that stuff...

[Centurion]

If I chop my hands off... can I come too.

[racurtne]

You don't have to run to Allanak with your Tuluki ex-pat. Luir's and Red Storm are going to be made better, guys. Have faith.

Edit: Fingers crossed.

[Dakota]

You don't have to run to Allanak with your Tuluki ex-pat. Luir's and Red Storm are going to be made better, guys. Have faith.

Edit: Fingers crossed.

Part of the problem here is that those alternate options should be available and evolved for players to play in, rather than the current: 'we're closing up shop. here's your two weeks. store or go. good luck.'

I almost wish their was longer time frame for this closing. 3 months? To let things flow naturally, get built and established and let this be an evolution of progression for both players -and- staff.

[manonfire]

This is a good call. Props for seeing it through.

[Nyr]

I am not a Tuluk fanboy by any means...but I think that closing it is an odd thing. I could understand just about anything else getting closed to consolidate staff.

In the beginning of this game it was Tuluk and Allanak...with a barely there place known as Redstorm.

The argument we make is that that was the problem:  in the beginning of this game it was Tuluk and Allanak.  There was no "in the beginning of the game, the game started out with a city-state to play in, with distant threats that were powerful in their own backyards, but nothing that was (by itself) the size of or power of a city-state...and then later on we had Tuluk."  Because Tuluk and Allanak were there at the beginning, both needed to stay open, both needed to be staffed, both needed to be played.  Because the two city-states exist, there must be a larger war on a regular basis (even though this has rarely been the case over the years per the chronology page).  Because the two city-states exist, effort expended on one is noticed by the other's players (many a time there were complaints that Allanak got no attention and vice versa).

We are no longer sticking by that paradigm solely because "it has always been a part of the game" or "we have always done it that way."  We are going to try something new.

[Nyr]

I dunno.  The north as an 'out there' place is pretty sweet.  The favorite phase of the north for me was the rebellion, more because of how 'wild' the north was than anything else.  All the badasses were in the north, because it was untamed.

I'm thinking we'll see more of that wild westness there, with the major city closed, but with many people preferring to get their resources there.  It -could- be pretty neat.

It could be pretty neat.

[Nyr]

Edit: Also thinking of the -PRACTICAL- ramifications for what this means to Magick and Magickers in Arm since they are losing the biggest Spectrum of their "Checks and Balances".  Yes, sure it's to be expected it will be Roleplayed... But again, that's a bit of a reach. Roleplaying fear of Magick / hate of Magick is a lot easier (and more widespread) when it's reinforced by an active city-state that hates / destroys that stuff...

The only real check/balance that Tuluk had to offer was its defense against magickers inside the city.   All I can say is that we are aware of the perceived strength of a PC presence that might have deterred magickers from just rooting about in the North before and we'll keep an eye on it.

[Bushranger]

Prediction: We've had rain in the North, next will come snow for the first time in thousands of years and then when the frost grips the forest the Walkers will come.