Discussion and questions about zone save changes.

Started by Nathvaan, March 30, 2015, 07:41:04 AM

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March 30, 2015, 02:00:06 PM #25
Quote from: Jeax on March 30, 2015, 01:36:58 PM
Two real questions, regarding this:

1. Weather -- is this going to change weather timing? I would assume this is related to zones.

It is related to zones but changes to weather are unrelated to zone saves.

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2. NPCs that pick stuff up -- Is this going to increase the tick in which they will steal your things?

From what I've seen, that is also unrelated to these changes.
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March 30, 2015, 02:11:16 PM #26
Quote from: Nyr on March 30, 2015, 02:00:06 PM
Quote from: Jeax on March 30, 2015, 01:36:58 PM
Two real questions, regarding this:

1. Weather -- is this going to change weather timing? I would assume this is related to zones.

It is related to zones but changes to weather are unrelated to zone saves.

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2. NPCs that pick stuff up -- Is this going to increase the tick in which they will steal your things?

From what I've seen, that is also unrelated to these changes.

Correct on both accounts.  The weather changing has it's own mechanism that isn't tied to zone resets or saves.  NPC will pick stuff up as they always have (usually only when you accidentally drop something important!).  ;)
March 30, 2015, 03:37:24 PM #27
So does this mean that the Northlands won't be hunted to extinction any more? :P
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March 30, 2015, 04:16:56 PM #28
Quote from: Zoan on March 30, 2015, 03:37:24 PM
So does this mean that the Northlands won't be hunted to extinction any more? :P

The magic 8-ball says:

March 30, 2015, 04:28:26 PM #29
Quote from: Nathvaan on March 30, 2015, 04:16:56 PM
Quote from: Zoan on March 30, 2015, 03:37:24 PM
So does this mean that the Northlands won't be hunted to extinction any more? :P

The magic 8-ball says:



I dunno, you underestimate the sheer tenacity of those Hunters. ;)
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March 30, 2015, 05:24:26 PM #30
I think this was a good change.  There was nothing quite like that time I briefly picked up a book with I think it was my Borsail noble and then put it down again, only to have it irreversibly lost.  Not that I don't have backups of everything I write, but that was a stressful time that I'm happy I don't have to worry about again  :D  Or that time I changed clothes and ended up with 2 copies of everything I was wearing, and 0 copies of the things I had changed into.  Or the examples can go on.

Will this affect the speed at which corpses 'rot'?
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March 30, 2015, 05:32:59 PM #31
Quote from: valeria on March 30, 2015, 05:24:26 PM
Will this affect the speed at which corpses 'rot'?

Nope.  Rotting rots at it previously defined rate!
March 30, 2015, 05:34:31 PM #32
The one place I would foresee this being perhaps a not great change is the Labyrinth, where it's already not uncommon to see an NPC standing over their own corpse.
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March 30, 2015, 05:51:14 PM #33
Wouldn't the corpse disappear with a zone reset?
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March 30, 2015, 06:00:00 PM #34 Last Edit: March 30, 2015, 06:02:23 PM by Wday
Not sure if it is me. But seem to get a lag when passing or room near save rooms.

Also good job. Never much for getting items back but the respawn fact is lovely
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March 31, 2015, 06:50:02 PM #35
Pretty sure this new change is causing some latency problems. I'm lagging out now when I normally don't. There's delays on commands like look. It's weird.
March 31, 2015, 07:00:06 PM #36
Correlation does not equal causation. I've experienced none of the aforementioned latency problems.
March 31, 2015, 07:02:14 PM #37 Last Edit: March 31, 2015, 07:03:45 PM by Adhira
Me either.  If you are having problems and think that it is due to the change please try and document this and send the info in a request so that Nathvaan can investigate it. Thanks muchly!
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March 31, 2015, 07:10:41 PM #38 Last Edit: March 31, 2015, 07:13:20 PM by Saellyn
I'm not so sure it's the change anymore because:

tracert www.armageddon.org

Tracing route to ginka.armageddon.org [206.72.201.199]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
Code Select

 1     3 ms     4 ms     4 ms  Comtrend.Home [192.168.1.1]
 2    15 ms    12 ms    12 ms  10.10.10.10
 3    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  burl-lnk-70-109-168-167.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net
[70.109.168.167]
 4    11 ms    11 ms    12 ms  burl-lnk-70-109-168-140.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net
[70.109.168.140]
 5    18 ms    18 ms    18 ms  be4165.ccr21.alb02.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.52
.77]
 6    21 ms    21 ms    21 ms  be2106.ccr41.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.3.
49]
 7    22 ms    22 ms    20 ms  be2355.rcr21.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.43
.94]
 8    20 ms    21 ms    20 ms  te7-1.mag02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.80.
94]
 9    22 ms    20 ms    22 ms  154.24.36.198
10     *       39 ms    39 ms  38.122.117.162
11     *       38 ms   131 ms  edge-10-teb2.us.as19318.net [66.45.224.182]
12     *       38 ms    37 ms  openvz28.interserver.net [199.231.184.130]
13    49 ms    47 ms    46 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [206.72.201.199]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


 1     2 ms     3 ms     4 ms  Comtrend.Home [192.168.1.1]
 2    13 ms    15 ms    11 ms  10.10.10.10
 3    20 ms   198 ms   202 ms  burl-lnk-70-109-168-167.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net
[70.109.168.167]
 4    13 ms    13 ms    12 ms  burl-lnk-70-109-168-140.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net
[70.109.168.140]
 5    18 ms    17 ms    18 ms  be4165.ccr21.alb02.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.52
.77]
 6    20 ms    20 ms    21 ms  be2106.ccr41.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.3.
49]
 7    21 ms    23 ms    20 ms  be2355.rcr21.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.43
.94]
 8   186 ms   218 ms   216 ms  te7-1.mag02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.80.
94]
 9    20 ms    21 ms    22 ms  154.24.36.198
10    40 ms     *       39 ms  38.122.117.162
11     *       67 ms    38 ms  edge-10-teb2.us.as19318.net [66.45.224.182]
12    37 ms    38 ms    37 ms  openvz28.interserver.net [199.231.184.130]
13    53 ms    53 ms    54 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [206.72.201.199]


In other words some asshole needs to stop using JFK01.atlas.cogentco.com to download all his porn.
March 31, 2015, 07:51:47 PM #39
Quote from: Saellyn on March 31, 2015, 07:10:41 PM
I'm not so sure it's the change anymore because:

tracert www.armageddon.org

Tracing route to ginka.armageddon.org [206.72.201.199]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
Code Select

 1     3 ms     4 ms     4 ms  Comtrend.Home [192.168.1.1]
 2    15 ms    12 ms    12 ms  10.10.10.10
 3    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  burl-lnk-70-109-168-167.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net
[70.109.168.167]
 4    11 ms    11 ms    12 ms  burl-lnk-70-109-168-140.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net
[70.109.168.140]
 5    18 ms    18 ms    18 ms  be4165.ccr21.alb02.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.52
.77]
 6    21 ms    21 ms    21 ms  be2106.ccr41.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.3.
49]
 7    22 ms    22 ms    20 ms  be2355.rcr21.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.43
.94]
 8    20 ms    21 ms    20 ms  te7-1.mag02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.80.
94]
 9    22 ms    20 ms    22 ms  154.24.36.198
10     *       39 ms    39 ms  38.122.117.162
11     *       38 ms   131 ms  edge-10-teb2.us.as19318.net [66.45.224.182]
12     *       38 ms    37 ms  openvz28.interserver.net [199.231.184.130]
13    49 ms    47 ms    46 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [206.72.201.199]
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


 1     2 ms     3 ms     4 ms  Comtrend.Home [192.168.1.1]
 2    13 ms    15 ms    11 ms  10.10.10.10
 3    20 ms   198 ms   202 ms  burl-lnk-70-109-168-167.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net
[70.109.168.167]
 4    13 ms    13 ms    12 ms  burl-lnk-70-109-168-140.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net
[70.109.168.140]
 5    18 ms    17 ms    18 ms  be4165.ccr21.alb02.atlas.cogentco.com [38.104.52
.77]
 6    20 ms    20 ms    21 ms  be2106.ccr41.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.3.
49]
 7    21 ms    23 ms    20 ms  be2355.rcr21.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.43
.94]
 8   186 ms   218 ms   216 ms  te7-1.mag02.jfk01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.80.
94]
 9    20 ms    21 ms    22 ms  154.24.36.198
10    40 ms     *       39 ms  38.122.117.162
11     *       67 ms    38 ms  edge-10-teb2.us.as19318.net [66.45.224.182]
12    37 ms    38 ms    37 ms  openvz28.interserver.net [199.231.184.130]
13    53 ms    53 ms    54 ms  ginka.armageddon.org [206.72.201.199]


In other words some asshole needs to stop using JFK01.atlas.cogentco.com to download all his porn.

Oh right.  *click stop on his browser*  Problem fixed!

Seriously though, thanks for the information.  We are still looking at the change to see if there is -ANY- lag being created, even if it is very minor.  I am certain that this changes is acceptable but not as certain that it is yet perfect.  Rest assured, it is still one of my top 2 projects at the moment!
March 31, 2015, 07:54:55 PM #40
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not the change. Cogentco is 90% of the time where my latency comes from. Those guys are dicks. Also, whoever edge-10 is.
April 01, 2015, 10:20:12 AM #41
Quote from: Delirium on March 30, 2015, 12:34:28 PM
Maybe items in "non-save" rooms could just disappear after 1 ingame week into the forage artifacts database for that room, where they linger for a set amount of time before being wiped from the database entirely. But this is a bit of a derail and I'm excited that reimbursement requests could be a thing of the past. Yay!

I'll match your derail, and raise you one "get rid of the junk command entirely."

Admittedly, if there were ever an Armageddon drum I was beating alone, this is it. Something about the junk command just ruins my immerzhuns.

Back on topic, this is awesomeness itself. Reducing the mystery of whether the things you put in your clan locker survived the crash! (And one step closer to real-time database updates.)
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April 03, 2015, 01:18:13 PM #42
You probably know this, but plants now -seem- to replenish their leaves a lot faster, which could be a good thing or a bad thing or a non thing, depending on you know complicated stuff.
as IF you didn't just have them unconscious, naked, and helpless in the street 4 minutes ago
April 03, 2015, 01:29:00 PM #43 Last Edit: April 03, 2015, 02:57:05 PM by Beethoven
Meh, derail is derail.
April 08, 2015, 05:16:44 PM #44
This change is pretty awesome, however I got to watch someone get chewed by a pair of animals. Over the course of RPing the wounds they were chewed into by a repopping pair, which ended with them skinning and ending quickly as another pair repopped.

Mind dem spawn rooms.
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April 09, 2015, 12:02:48 AM #45
Quote from: Majikal on April 08, 2015, 05:16:44 PM
This change is pretty awesome, however I got to watch someone get chewed by a pair of animals. Over the course of RPing the wounds they were chewed into by a repopping pair, which ended with them skinning and ending quickly as another pair repopped.

Mind dem spawn rooms.

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April 09, 2015, 12:06:01 AM #46
Many disembodied heads of a gortok are here.
April 09, 2015, 12:28:38 AM #47
Yeah... I also think animal repops are happening too quick. Can't say specific locations, but the whole population of a region repopulated in probably half an IG day? Possibly less.
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April 09, 2015, 12:29:08 AM #48
If I were playing a Nilazi, and I'm not saying I am, but if I were, I would be looking to raise an army of flying ravenous gortok heads.
April 09, 2015, 12:30:55 AM #49
I like fast repops when I'm hunting gortok. I don't like fast repops when I stumble into a kryl spawn-room.

Maybe we could make repops not happen if a player is present, or something?
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