Topic to discuss the coded protections in the city-states.

[Nathvaan]

"The physical city-states of Allanak and Tuluk will now codedly reflect the supremacy they enjoy versus unfriendly magickers acting against the city-states.  These changes reflect each city-state's general strengths against such odds.  If you should be in the know as a templar of either city-state, inquire with clan staff.  If you are intending to act against said defenses, find out IC.  If you notice anything that appears to be a bug, please file it in the request tool so that we may address it as soon as possible."

This topic is to discuss these changes, but understand we will not be addressing the specific protections granted in each of the city-states!  As one can imagine that is something that one would have to find out IC.

[Patuk]

Good lord.. Not 24 hours ago I argued that Tuluk was codedly helpless, and now this happens. Awesome.

[MeTekillot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ

[senseofeven]

What does this mean? 

Tuluk gicks can't harm Nakkis and vice versa?

[Nyr]

What does this mean? 

Tuluk gicks can't harm Nakkis and vice versa?

More like if you happen to be a magicker (regardless of where you are from), pitting yourself against a city-state in a coded fashion (i.e. casting spells) is going to result in a more realistic coded response (i.e., we are no longer required to animate heavily to provide what we on staff think is a realistic world response to these sorts of scenarios). 

However, it is quite a bit more complex than "lol, y u no cast?"

[manonfire]

Does this apply to just the city proper or the surrounding areas as well?

[i like me some ham]

Has Luir's and Storm already got their preparations, or are these coming next?

Also, if this can be discussed, is Tuluk generally clueless but still points swords, or are they more like sudden mad dogs frantically trying to stamp out the threat? Both? I imagine traveler types like Byn would eventually know this difference, if any.

[Nyr]

Does this apply to just the city proper or the surrounding areas as well?

This is something that you would have to find out in-game.  It would probably be safe to say that if you're inside the walls of that city, you're inside the influence of that city.

Has Luir's and Storm already got their preparations, or are these coming next?

Nice try, Sand Lord.

Also, if this can be discussed, is Tuluk generally clueless but still points swords, or are they more like sudden mad dogs frantically trying to stamp out the threat? Both? I imagine traveler types like Byn would eventually know this difference, if any.

Neither.

The authority of the Templarate is backed by the Sun King and the abilities of the mind and body that He grants His Faithful servants.

The actual coded response is something you can discover in-game, however.

[Dakota]

Sweet.

[LauraMars]

Huh.

[Jingo]

Will hidden magickers in the city states have to adjust their play in any manner?

What I specifically want to know (but may be unable to ask) is whether using magick in such a way that it won't provoke the crime code, still provoke these city defenses?

[Delirium]

a) will proper precautions against discovery make any difference whatsoever?

b) is this an added layer of challenge, or is this an instant-death scenario?

For example, I've had a gemmed mage using certain concealment abilities enter Tuluk; is this now impossible without meeting the mantis head?

[Dalmeth]

What is there to discuss when you haven't told us anything?

[Symphony]

[JustAnotherGuy]

Does this have anything to do with fixing the Crim Code from marking Gemmed Magickers as wanted in their own Temples when they cast an aggressive spell?  (I doubt it, but I'm being hopeful)

[Reiloth]

It seems like this is just a reflection of what would be in place ICly, but was not codedly. City-states shouldn't be frantically scrambling jet-fighters against every magick attack within their despotic sorcerer-king fortress. Sounds like this just updates the code to reflect the reality IG.

A few questions:
1. If magickers from say Allanak want to plan attacks against parties within/surrounding Tuluk and coordinate with Staff, will this still be possible?
2. Are these defenses impregnable or just 'really bad news' for anyone who wants to try something alone?
3. In other words, if a large force of magickers attempted malarky against Tuluk, could they potentially succeed?

[Twilight]

I hope that this extends to more than just the act of casting.

For example, if one has obviously visible magickal effects about their body, strutting their stuff (probably unintentionally, but still) past all the NPC soldiers...something should kick in.

I also hope templars get a command so they can exempt a magicker from these protections kicking in, for a certain amount of time, if they need said magicker to do something for them.

[BadSkeelz]

It seems like this is just a reflection of what would be in place ICly, but was not codedly. City-states shouldn't be frantically scrambling jet-fighters against every magick attack within their despotic sorcerer-king fortress. Sounds like this just updates the code to reflect the reality IG.

Really? I had the opposite take away: that the City States will now scramble the fighter jets automatically, without needing an Immortal to jump in to Lord Templar Oldface and expend time and resources fireballing Amos Potter.

Every time I've seen magick being used in the Cities it's always pretty serious shit.

[Nyr]

Will hidden magickers in the city states have to adjust their play in any manner?

If you've been playing a hidden magicker and have questions, you can ask via the request tool.

What I specifically want to know (but may be unable to ask) is whether using magick in such a way that it won't provoke the crime code, still provoke these city defenses?

Depending on the situation, perhaps so.  I would say it would be safe to use common sense.

For example, a gemmed mage in Allanak practicing their magick inside the city (in properly approved areas/etc just as before this change as you would IC)...they'll be fine.

A mage (gemmed or no) working their magick in Tuluk would be a dangerous scenario regardless.  The city has a marked aversion to magick and it has certain resources at its command to make sure magick is dealt with.  It will probably be harder to play a hidden magicker in Tuluk, but if you're already an enemy of Tuluk (such as an open mage, gemmed or otherwise, or defiler, or what-have-you), that probably doesn't faze you.

[Nyr]

a) will proper precautions against discovery make any difference whatsoever?

Yes, taking proper precautions can make a difference.

b) is this an added layer of challenge, or is this an instant-death scenario?

Added layer of challenge.  If you wish to employ magick against either city-state then you now are facing what would be a codedly realistic reflection of that scenario.  It will probably be more difficult to play a "hidden magicker" in Tuluk, but still--not impossible.

[Nyr]

What is there to discuss when you haven't told us anything?

The other questions mentioned here so far.

[Nyr]

Does this have anything to do with fixing the Crim Code from marking Gemmed Magickers as wanted in their own Temples when they cast an aggressive spell?  (I doubt it, but I'm being hopeful)

I don't think this touches on that at all.

[RogueGunslinger]

This is cool. I don't know what this is, exactly, but I know it's cool.

[Adhira]

Unfortunately the majority of the changes to the code cannot be discussed in depth here on the GDB.  Just as we cannot discuss the in's and out's of lock picking and which situations may end with which results, we cannot discuss the IC details of these changes here.

Rest assured we are not putting in malicious code that will create insta-death situations.  We feel that the changes will more adequately represent the strength of the rulers in their respective cities. These are not meant to be new and sudden increases in power/attention/big brother etc scenarios from the Sorc Kings. 

[X-D]

I love the "find out IC" part.

Takes mage to Tuluk....Cast fireball dude...A giant white pyramid of sand appears and falls on your head...Welcome to Armageddon!

So...That is what happens.

Goes and makes assassin.