Childrensss

[Yseulte]

It gets intense. So I wouldn't recommend trying it unless you are pretty comfortable with your typing capacity or it might get annoying pretty quick.

I suppose that is the price a player pays for wanting that sort of storyline for their character? I don't know. I never found it taxing, overly difficult or by any means intense. I find roleplaying out vNPCs to about as time-consuming or mind-consuming as crafting RP or solo-RP. I have seen players manage multiple children in an active scene with other PCs about and still hold a conversation without it being detrimental to their RP. It could have been hard on their sanity, yes.

The emoting out the vnpc child asking why why why I believe is against the rules. You're not supposed to nest verbal communication within emotes.

I think it is too, and if it isn't, fleshing out a vNPC child to that extent of talking to a PC through an emote as a child would be alot like 'playing a child pc' which isn't permitted.

[MeTekillot]

say (responding to a raven-haired toddler's battery of queries) Because the wind makes sand pick-up. . . Because sand is really light. . . Because sand is really small. . . Becau--Because--Because the Highlord said so, ginka, now eat your scrab meat.

[greasygemo]

The emoting out the vnpc child asking why why why I believe is against the rules. You're not supposed to nest verbal communication within emotes.

You can't do anything that bypasses the language code no.

But, implied speech is possible. In that case it would be acceptable to do something like ..

>em The little, blond rat-faced girl pleads and repeatedly questions @me in a shrill whine about the candy, which is still being withheld.
>say (aloud, to the little, blond rat-faced girl, stuffing the candy back into their pocket) No you lil' shit! You want candy steal your own!

But, as I said. It's a challenge to get this stuff rattled off sometimes. Not everyone finds it as such, and I don't really. But it is something to consider when you go down that road.

[Lizzie]

The emoting out the vnpc child asking why why why I believe is against the rules. You're not supposed to nest verbal communication within emotes.

You can't do anything that bypasses the language code no.

But, implied speech is possible. In that case it would be acceptable to do something like ..

>em The little, blond rat-faced girl pleads and repeatedly questions @me in a shrill whine about the candy, which is still being withheld.
>say (aloud, to the little, blond rat-faced girl, stuffing the candy back into their pocket) No you lil' shit! You want candy steal your own!

But, as I said. It's a challenge to get this stuff rattled off sometimes. Not everyone finds it as such, and I don't really. But it is something to consider when you go down that road.

No, you can't do that either. The whole language barrier thing should prevent everyone at the bar from knowing what your child is talking about, other than -your- character's response.

Also, if this occurred in a bar that allowed the brawl code - such as the Tembo's Tooth. And let's say my dwarf character was sick of having to deal with your child's incessant whining while trades of actual significance were trying to be made. What command is required to haul off and smack that kid off your character's lap?

[Lizzie]

say (responding to a raven-haired toddler's battery of queries) Because the wind makes sand pick-up. . . Because sand is really light. . . Because sand is really small. . . Becau--Because--Because the Highlord said so, ginka, now eat your scrab meat.

This resolves the "speaking" issue - letting -your- character express the topic of conversation by way of his response and leaving the VNPC's end of the conversation vague and lacking any indication of topic.

Now we also need to know - how do we, the captive audience, read this VNPC's mdesc, list of clothing and anything in his/her hands? And how do we interact codedly with it? Such as subduing it, or trying to wrest it loose from the bar where it's sitting in mom's lap, or kidnapping it or hey - even killing it.

[whitt]

And how do we interact codedly with it? Such as subduing it, or trying to wrest it loose from the bar where it's sitting in mom's lap, or kidnapping it or hey - even killing it.

This.  This is why we can't have nice things.

[MeTekillot]

Lizzie, has anyone ever told you you're a complete total downer

[Malken]

Now we also need to know - how do we, the captive audience, read this VNPC's mdesc, list of clothing and anything in his/her hands? And how do we interact codedly with it? Such as subduing it, or trying to wrest it loose from the bar where it's sitting in mom's lap, or kidnapping it or hey - even killing it.

[ShaLeah]

I can see it now:

From out of the shadows behind the whatever bar, Someone roughly takes the perfectly blended mix of you and your mate out of your arms and and bolts to the door, hand clamped over its mouth.

Next banned on Armageddon, vNPC child abductions.

[Malken]

I can see it now:

From out of the shadows behind the whatever bar, Someone roughly takes the perfectly blended mix of you and your mate out of your arms and and bolts to the door, hand clamped over its mouth.

Next banned on Armageddon, vNPC child abductions.

They'll probably ban having children considering that real baby items were banned because they were "abused" and led to problems just described by Lizzie (people doing their best to kidnap and/or eat baby items of other characters), so if that starts to happen with vNPC babies as well everyone will suddenly develop infertility.

I think they're about to get so many player complaints related to the new open/close code added in that we should give them a break about the baby stuff 

[greasygemo]

The emoting out the vnpc child asking why why why I believe is against the rules. You're not supposed to nest verbal communication within emotes.

You can't do anything that bypasses the language code no.

But, implied speech is possible. In that case it would be acceptable to do something like ..

>em The little, blond rat-faced girl pleads and repeatedly questions @me in a shrill whine about the candy, which is still being withheld.
>say (aloud, to the little, blond rat-faced girl, stuffing the candy back into their pocket) No you lil' shit! You want candy steal your own!

But, as I said. It's a challenge to get this stuff rattled off sometimes. Not everyone finds it as such, and I don't really. But it is something to consider when you go down that road.

No, you can't do that either. The whole language barrier thing should prevent everyone at the bar from knowing what your child is talking about, other than -your- character's response.

Also, if this occurred in a bar that allowed the brawl code - such as the Tembo's Tooth. And let's say my dwarf character was sick of having to deal with your child's incessant whining while trades of actual significance were trying to be made. What command is required to haul off and smack that kid off your character's lap?

First of yes you can do this, because the VNPC isn't saying anything. They are whining (a tone) while pleading for candy (which in this context the PC is holding in their hand and withholding, and has been, this is reflective of an ongoing argument. Sorry I didn't write a whole log to set the context for you there.

Secondly, there is no command for it just like there is no command for "spits on your face" or "snuffs out the candle on the bar while you light your pipe". Interacting with VNPC's in such a fashion, or any interactions involving other non-coded RP elements, requires RP.

Emoting an attempt, setting it up by saying something to them, let them know you're about to engage "I'm going to shove that kid up your ass if you don't shut it up!", subdue the PC and emote grabbing the parent by the shoulder with one arm and shoving the kid on the floor or something. I would -hope- that the parent PC involved was like a responsible enough player to play ball in a situation like that. If not, then I'd just >throw daddy north out of the door flap. Gank them and their spawn in an alley later. Solved.

Also if someone really wants to know a VNPC's hypothetical mdesc or if the kid is wearing a loincloth.. I'm sure that could be accommodated with a short emote to describe it.

>em The rat-faced girl, with her tangled and dirty black hair, hollow cheeks, buck-teeth and bulbous nose, sits in @me lap, leering with her dull-grey eyes, sticky substances spattered all over their tattered brown burlap sack dress, barefoot and filthy.

It's a VNPC, not a player character. I've never gotten all that aggravated about not being able to look spam VNPC's to see if they are wearing l33t gear or have green eyes or something, but that's me.

[ShaLeah]

God help you all, breeders, the concept this has inspired will terrify you.

[Kalai]

I don't think I've had vNPC family without an mdesc recorded somewhere. Sufficient amounts of emoting looking at them might produce it / pieces of it?
Afraid I don't tend to know clothes past the general style, though.

[greasygemo]

God help you all, breeders, the concept this has inspired will terrify you.

I for one look forward to this.

[Zoan]

Rules to bringing vNPC children props to the world:

1. They must be triplets. No exceptions.
2. All three must have unique hair colours and eyes. Silver, purple, midnight black are popular choices.
3. Harass your baby daddy about them ALL THE TIME.
4. Give them unusual names so your baby daddy will never remember them.
5. As they grow, employ the Id, ego and superego personalities to them appropriately, for drama purposes.

[boog]

Let's just let people play how they wanna play, so long as they're not hurting anything, or anyone else's play.

Eeeesh.

[RogueGunslinger]

Let's just let people play how they wanna play, so long as they're not hurting anything, or anyone else's play.

Eeeesh.

Huh? This thread is specifically asking for input.

[boog]

Input doesn't need to come in the form of, "You're doing x, y, or z wrong," when people are specifically answering the OP's question.

RPing a baby takes a lot of work, and if people want to emote a vNPC's responses, why can't they? It's much better than, "emote suckles her air baby." Well, why can't it burp, or coo, or blab out, "Mama!" and puke all over her? Because it's a vNPC?

Anyway - creating a life, even in a game is hard. I wouldn't recommend it, because it sometimes blots out other RP you could be having, but if you want it, have at it!

[Zoan]

I take boog's words as authority on all things, becamse dem hips can't lie.

[Lizzie]

Input doesn't need to come in the form of, "You're doing x, y, or z wrong," when people are specifically answering the OP's question.

RPing a baby takes a lot of work, and if people want to emote a vNPC's responses, why can't they? It's much better than, "emote suckles her air baby." Well, why can't it burp, or coo, or blab out, "Mama!" and puke all over her? Because it's a vNPC?

Anyway - creating a life, even in a game is hard. I wouldn't recommend it, because it sometimes blots out other RP you could be having, but if you want it, have at it!

Because if someone -other- than the mommy/daddy emotes that vNPC projectile puking, the person doing that emote will get criticized for it either directly with an OOC or contrary emote, indirectly with a player complaint, or passively-aggressively by a whine on the GDB.

In my opinion, it's a vnpc and is therefore fair game. If you can play with the air-baby, then so can I. If it's on your lap, then I can emote blowing a spit-ball that makes it land directly in its face and causes it to cry. If it's suckling your breast, I can emote making it suckle so hard that it makes you bleed - or reject the breast and start crying. If it's crying incessantly in a virtual cradle you have set on the bar, I can emote stepping over and using the virtual brawl code on that virtual baby and socking it in the virtual mouth, giving it something to cry about.

If it's swaddled in a virtual silk cloth, I can hide, sneak, and semote slinking through the crowd and snatching that kid from your lap, and dropping him on the floor, sans virtual silk cloth, as I set into a run and make my way back out the door into the darkness of the night-time air, then take a moment to add a tdesc of me wearing a slightly torn, puke-stained silk cloth around my shoulders.

I feel the same way about wearable pet-objects too - especially birds. It's remarkable that everyone who has these things do -not- have bird-shit all over their clothes. They should, and *I* should be allowed to emote my amusement as I witness another splash of birdshit on *your* epaullete.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

No, Liz. No.

[The Lonely Hunter]

No, Liz. No.

[RogueGunslinger]

Yeah that's really taking things too far, is power emoting, and generally against the nature of the game which is to facilitate FUN interaction. Shitting all over someones vNPC's by taking them over and doing what you will with them is pretty fucked up.

You wouldn't emote for someone elses vNPC just like you wouldn't emote for their mount. It's also why you don't emote a vNPC suddenly coming out and beating a PC up.  It's just bad roleplaying.

[Malken]

Fortunately, it seems like only Lizzie is thinking that way. The rest of the playerbase seems to be quite willing and more than happy to go along with other people's vNPCs if said vNPCs are played realistically (and if you think the vNPC isn't played realistically, just move along or don't interact along with it.) Life is so simple when you're not a party pooper.

[Patuk]

My clanmate has a vnpc dad. She interacts with him, sometimes.

So I went all Hannibal Lecter and cannibalised him. If she gets to rp with him, so do I.