Code Idea: Speed indications upon entering a room

[evil_erdlu]

You may call me stupid, but I wasn't aware that failed sneaky entrances didn't echo differently.

My only sneaky character lived in 'rinth so I thought they walked in when they 'arrive'.

I'd like it changed showing how you entered, if possible.

[Inks]

I am pro entry echos, except city stealth. Overall city stealth is about blending in.

[evil_erdlu]

I am pro entry echos, except city stealth. Overall city stealth is about blending in.

So? Imagine you're walking at a busy street with a couple friends, someone starts to walk a bit too close to your group. You have your wallet at the back pocket of your trousers. Your backpack's front zipper can be opened from behind. Maybe your daughter's walking beside you and you worry the idiot man walking too close would bump into her. Or your girlfriend's walking by you and *testosterone* what is that fucker doing? Or you and friends did beat up those idiots they way they deserved yesterday night at the bar in the same street and instinctively you await revenge. So you get nervous and cast an irritated glance in the least. Say "What?" to the stranger's face? Stop suddenly and watch him until he passes by?

You try to blend in a crowd, the crowd finds you a stranger and responds. The usual flow of the crowd is distorted momentarily because the crowd you're trying to blend into is responding. More hassle than a simple walking happens, so the failed sneak.

If I were the coder, anytime someone failed a sneak I'd echo it in 'bold'..

[Inks]

It's not assassins creed personal space invading stealth. Though that pic was awesome earlier. Its not about following one group of people either, its about slipping through a crowd. Ever been to a market in India? I imagine Allanak to be like all day.

The only time echoing sneak entry is important is in the wilderness, if you see some guy sneaking toward you through the scrublands you need to react accordingly. You are all alone out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSO0lCO3TIg

[evil_erdlu]

Again, so? When you fail to slip through, you disturbed the usual flow of the crowd. And when it's a crowded market, you need to slip through when you 'walk'.. I'm from Turkey, we have public bazaars exactly like India, though a bit less crowded. We do our grocery shopping in the bazaar on Thursdays. You do more than slipping through, you 'blend' when you sneak. To blend, you get close. When you blend in disruptively, you get noticed.

Edited to add: This is not the bazaar we shop at, but it's in the same city, very close to my location; İncirli Ankara, Turkey...

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/13293493

[Inks]

Yeah but you are missing the point, with all the people around there is no way you would notice someone slipping through a crowd a distance away from you, no matter how clumsily they were doing it, unless they were a HG. Would you notice when they were closer, as your example implies? Of course, but that's how stealth works now, if you have someone sneaking out of the same room as you it is obvious.

[evil_erdlu]

You would, if you had the counter skill and you were alert - a.k.a. using the skill -. No one can steal from those sellers in our bazaar, because sellers are alert. Police sometimes arrives because once in a while people start selling contraband cigarettes at makeshift stands and I saw it several times. Police catches them no matter how sneaky they are. Because police knows the drill.

If your character is so inept that even folks without 'listen on' saw you sneak; heh, you bumped into another person in your attempts to sneak.

Another point; 90% of all places you sneak aren't that crowded. Not all alleys are packed with folks. 'Rinth is nearly empty. Warrens aren't that crowded. I believe even places like parts of Dark Moon Road aren't as crowded as a sneaker would like it to be. Then 'sneak' has its normal definition. I don't think any character only sneaks in the bazaars, taverns and main roads.

[Harmless]

I don't think the community of paranoid PCs react appropriately to sneaking PCs. There should be ragamuffin NPCs skulking everywhere at all times, but the code doesn't show that. I objected to this on the grounds that overreacting to it ruins the feel of city stealth, which is "blending," so for that reason I agree with Inks.

Secondly, yes, the rinth is emptier, but there is little to no foot traffic there so any arriving PC is suspect regardless of their moving type.

[evil_erdlu]

Ragamuffin NPCs have their sneak+hide maxxed. You can't see them without max scan+listen

No no.. I won't soften my attitude about this subject. "I don't sneak, I blend."?? What's next? "I don't pickpocket. I copped for a feel.", "I forgot my apartment keys inside, Lord Templar","I was trying to see inside her shirt, not inside her money pouch.", "This is medicinal spice."....

When you fail a sneak attempt, you didn't instead walk. You failed, miserably. Someone good enough to see it saw it. Period. When you fail peek, people notice. When you fail steal, people notice. When you fail bash, people notice because you are rolling on the floor. When you fail something, it is a failure. In addition to all I said before, this is my last point to add. I do not understand why a failure should be ignored.

[Harmless]

Well, I don't agree at all with a lot of your assumptions and disagree entirely with your use of the slippery slope argument. I have given my reasoning in previous posts.

[evil_erdlu]

Ragamuffin NPCs have their sneak+hide maxxed. You can't see them without max scan+listen

No no.. I won't soften my attitude about this subject. "I don't sneak, I blend."?? What's next? "I don't pickpocket. I copped for a feel.", "I forgot my apartment keys inside, Lord Templar","I was trying to see inside her shirt, not inside her money pouch.", "This is medicinal spice."....

Just in case it's not understood. This portion is just a joke. My sense of humor may sometimes be a little alien.