Ok, what do I do that /doesn't/ echo??

Started by greasygemo, June 24, 2012, 05:23:58 AM

August 24, 2012, 02:17:11 AM #25 Last Edit: August 24, 2012, 02:30:00 AM by Riya OniSenshi
Quote from: Ktavialt on August 24, 2012, 01:30:26 AM
Quote from: Riya OniSenshi on August 24, 2012, 01:04:51 AM
http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,23353.0.html  - about hiding
I already did all my homework to avoid having Nyr link a thread that already answered my question.  Read the thread you linked, it didn't really respond to it.

Also, 2006... was that before the change where sneak/hide would work to keep you hidden as you move around?

Quote from: Lizzie on October 24, 2006, 04:50:13 PM
There's no echo that confirms whether or not you actually ended up hiding successfully.

There's an echo that tells you you are in the process of making the attempt.
I'm hearing there's an echo that tells you that you have finished the attempt. But that echo doesn't say that the attempt was successful or not, only that you're done trying.

I understand the reason you don't get to see if you succeeded or not is the same reason as in real life when you try to hide. You have no way of knowing if someone can see you. Your sleeve is sticking out? Your eyes are casting a glow in the moonlight? The toe of your boot is exposed from your spot behind a tree? Your longsword is - longer than whatever you're hiding under? You have no way of knowing, until and unless someone lets you know you've been spotted.

My experience has only shown me 2 different "types" of echoes, one when I'm in a "scrub" area and one when I'm in a different area. But that might just be a guild/class thing, I'm not sure.

L. Stanson
That looks like it's about echos while hiding to me.

All these questions are answered in the GDB, as I recall reading them, so I'm a bit skeptical of your "homework"...

You're hidden until you break it, though some might say if you can be seen with scan, you're not really hidden. You won't know until someone looks at you. Failing sneak does break hide, though I don't think it says "someone enters". Sneak is checked moving from room to room, while hide is not.


Edit: These threads have some pertinent information, though not necessarily directly.
http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,39749.0.html
http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,26103.0.html

Not sure how you missed http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,30564.msg339879.html#msg339879 either...
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Well... you answered it, though those links hadn't; nothing on point as to whether hide is broken if you fail a sneak, and what the result is, and whether hide is checked every single room, or sneak is checked every room. 

But, in either case, thanks a bunch.  At least you answered most of it.

Quote from: Cind on June 24, 2012, 02:38:31 PM
Try assess -v (pc or npc keyword). This doesn't echo and can be very funny when you use it on your mount or something.

Or a trainging dummy.
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August 24, 2012, 10:17:24 AM #28 Last Edit: August 24, 2012, 10:20:20 AM by Riya OniSenshi
Quote from: Ktavialt on August 24, 2012, 02:50:53 AM
Well... you answered it, though those links hadn't; nothing on point as to whether hide is broken if you fail a sneak, and what the result is, and whether hide is checked every single room, or sneak is checked every room.  

But, in either case, thanks a bunch.  At least you answered most of it.

From the second link, bolding mine:

Quote from: Gimfalisette on May 01, 2007, 07:31:56 PM
Quote from: RindanSo, here is a simple question.  Under the new hide system  you can (from what I understand) hide, then sneak.  The question is, how in the hell does this actually work?  Do you do a hide check in each room as you move?  Does failing a sneak check un-hide you?  If you get un-hidden, do you try and rehide the next time you move?

When you hide, then sneak (or the reverse, doesn't matter as long as you do them in the same room), you do not do a hide check in each room. You do a sneak check, and if your sneak is successful, then you stay hidden. Failing sneak breaks hide. If you break hide, you must re-hide to be hidden again.

For a character with maxed (or near-maxed) sneak/hide, it is very possible to hide and then sneak all the way across a city without breaking now. It's very viable to be crim flagged now and evade jail time this way. There are ways to test in game whether or not you are able to do this, even if you're not crim flagged.

Why you would think the message of a failed sneak is different than what the default message for sneak is when not hidden, fuck knows, but it's something that should be obvious when you see it in-game.
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Although, the help file says that sneak lasts for a certain while after a "successful" sneak... so it seems to be to be sure the best thing to do is to sneak, move a few rooms (hoping it works one of those times) then hide... or hide each room.

i.e.
sneak;e (failed); s (failed); e (success - sneak works for 2 minutes, for instance); hide (success); then the rest of the movement.

Not sure what the help file is referring to with that line, but it sounds like mechanics that should not be discussed.
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Are you sure "look" doesn't have an echo? Because I've seen "<sdesc> looks around" or something similar from different characters. And I know there is an echo for some sort of syntax about yourself "<sdesc> looks down at his/herself" or something similar. That might be assess self, but I'd think that'd be "<sdesc> looks down at his/herself assessively".
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I miss Tuluk....

Look echos. Look while hidden does not echo. Look in a direction or at an object and it will not echo unless you use a command emote with it "look west [squinting against the harsh sunlight]

"look <character>" while unhidden echos.

"look self" and "look" alone definitely do not.  If you have seen "<PC> looks around.", presumably that was an emote.  Not sure if adding a () emote to either of those causes an echo, but if so, seems more likely in the "look self" case, since that is analogous to "look <character>".

Not totally sure, but I think I may have picked up people assessing themselves from time to time. 

I'm pretty sure if you add a command emote to any 'look' that will cause it to echo, except maybe for the room, huh. :)
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