Close your eyes, enter the night!

[Karieith]

Being blinded when you don't wanna be sucks. 

[musashi]

It is a crime to want to raise your blind fighting skill. People who do it should be put in jail.

People who train any skill are twinks and should be publicly shunned.
Viva la MUSH!

... ... I want blind folds.

[Kalai]

If you start with a missing left eye and a missing right eye, do you start blind?

Blindfolds would be cool. Being able to close your eyes without sleeping would be cool too.

Having a sensible way to train blindfighting would be pretty cool too. (Having a new not-sensible way to train blindfighting would also be entertaining and possibly tragic.) ... Maybe not for just closing your eyes though.

[AreteX]

It wouldn't be feasible to not be able to see anything codedly as a "blind" person, forever.  You have to be able to interact with the world somehow.

Short-term coded ways of being blinded is great though, especially blindfolds.  I think an expansion on the "Subdue" command could be something cool to look into.  Once someone is subdued, they can perhaps be blindfolded, gagged, and a branching of Subdue that would be tying someone up so you are then free and not having to hold them yourself.

This would all add to the game I think and the first time you see someone with wrists bound, blindfolded, gagged running down the street going, "MMMPH!  MMMPH!"  you'll be glad they were put into the game.

Bring on the mudsex jokes!

[titansfan]

I think the first time you walk into a room and someone is tied and blindfolded, and it's a very dark, sinister part of town. You will pause, think: "Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!"....turn and walk out with pursed lips.

[Drayab]

Short-term coded ways of being blinded is great though, especially blindfolds.  I think an expansion on the "Subdue" command could be something cool to look into.  Once someone is subdued, they can perhaps be blindfolded, gagged, and a branching of Subdue that would be tying someone up so you are then free and not having to hold them yourself.

I don't think it necessary needs to be branchable skill. We just need a script that allows attaching a blindfold and rope to a subdued person. Flee, of course, should be useful for breaking free.

Severed heads are nice, but wouldn't it be cool to bring them back alive?

[AreteX]

I only mentioned branching because its almost an entirely different thing... tying someone as opposed to just man-handling them in a grapple.

Also, the first time I walk into a dark alley and see someone tied and blindfolded I think of awesome opportunity to 1) Save someone's life 2) End someone's life 3) Figure out WTF is going on!.  That is really cool stuff in my opinion.  One of the problems with current circumstances for anything but outright killing someone or a very brief interaction is that when you subdue someone they can try to flee.  In my times of being subdued I have often escaped with a few instances of flee.  I suppose it can be harder if someone is good at the skill.

But, with the added benefit of being able to tie someone up, perhaps the "Flee" to try and break away could be much more difficult based on that person's skill.  It also allows for one person to interact with someone who is subdued in a manner that doesn't have the restrictions of being subdued.  Removing items, beating on them a bit or.. killing them entirely.

The more non-lethal options to take someone out and still roleplay with them the better in my opinion.  If you are able to subdue/tie someone up then speak to them while they are blindfolded so they can't get a good look at you... well, I am sure you can all imagine the possibilities for threatening someone, telling them a secret, forcing them to listen to what you have to say, or scaring the heck out of them!  Imagine taking a low-level thug group, subdue, tie, blindfold, gag someone and perhaps beat them up a bit.  Now they can't see, are being drug someplace, and even if they way someone they say "The last thing I saw was my apartment door."  Then, they're in some new place they have no idea about and can't relay that in any way.

Now a new voice appears.  "It seems you've not been paying attention , Amos... I think it's time you learned your lesson."  Instant-awesome scene in my opinion.  No way to identify the person speaking through his voice alone, and you wouldn't know who they were and your only leads after they drop you off in some alley someplace would be the original low-level thugs.

Really cool!

This is a bit side-tracked from the original topic, but I think it's all relative when it comes to closing your eyes, blindfolding/tieing up and such.  I just think it would add much flavor to encounters and make many more of them not end in deaths with actual viable options that won't always get the bad guy insta-recognized.

[titansfan]

What AreteX just said is the very reason I want this. Imagine all the plots this would open up, all the new ways to subterfuge other people's plans, and even more ways to get information out of people.

So cool.

[RogueGunslinger]

It wouldn't be feasible to not be able to see anything codedly as a "blind" person, forever.  You have to be able to interact with the world somehow.

It's been done. So...

[flurry]

I like the idea of blindfolds in game. Even using them to train with seems okay, as long as that is appropriately dangerous.

Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4qmzArq25M

[Schrodingers Cat]

It wouldn't be feasible to not be able to see anything codedly as a "blind" person, forever.  You have to be able to interact with the world somehow.

It's been done. So...

While not impossible, not being able to target anyone or anything would make playing extremely difficult, if not impossible for some.

[Desertman]

Pretty simple really....

Make it a commonly known thing that sparring while wearing a blindfold is frowned upon for being twinkish the same way backstabbing sparring dummies or throwing at them is frowned on for being twinkish, or filling your pack with rocks and sparring is frowned on for being twinkish.

Just about anything can be abused in some way, but I like to think our playerbase, aside from dwarven players (yes, I went there, mostly just kidding), is mature and responsible enough to handle things like this.

We are a self-policing playerbase in a lot of ways. It is the dynamic of Armageddon that is the most impressive/most important about our community and our game in my opinion. 

Blindfolds would be awesome for certain situations. I am for them. But, I don't want to see rooms of nublets blindfolding themselves to sparr, and I don't think I would.

Why did I even post? Why? Oh well. Let the silly rebuttals for the sole purpose of argueing commence, as they always do.

[A Large Bag]

I disagree. If you were going to train to fight with your other senses in real life, you would train with a blindfold on. Real fighters in real life, train with packs of weights (or weight vests) on them sometimes too. There's nothing twinkish about doing something that's -realistic- to better yourself. It's twinkish if it's -unrealistic-.

Backstabbing a sparring dummy is considered twinkish because a dummy has no vitals (and cannot be surprised) to aim for and that's what backstabbing is, a surprise attack on a vital area. The code doesn't recognize this so it would still train your skill even though unrealistic.

People seem to be under the mistaken impression that training your skills is twinkish. It's not. Training your skills in an unrealistic fashion is.

[Desertman]

I disagree. If you were going to train to fight with your other senses in real life, you would train with a blindfold on. Real fighters in real life, train with packs of weights (or weight vests) on them sometimes too.

I don't know any fighters that do this. I train with a lot of fighters.

Sparring while wearing weights or while wearing a blindfold would be showing a direct disregard for the safety of your fellow training partners.

Which is exactly why I would lash people in game under my command if I ever caught them doing it. In fact, I know some clans in game have specific rules about not doing it just for this reason, but, you will have to find out about the specifics IC.

[A Large Bag]

I know fighters that do train with extra weight on them. *shrug* If I could remember where it's at, I've watched video of them training with weight vests on.

[Desertman]

I know fighters that do train with extra weight on them. *shrug*

So do I, just not while sparring.

This about sparring isn't it? Did I miss something?

[A Large Bag]

I know fighters that do train with extra weight on them. *shrug*

So do I, just not while sparring.

This about sparring isn't it? Did I miss something?

I doubt the Zalanthas Safety Commission is going to come down on fighters for sparring with the extra weight on them to improve their speed and strength. There is a basis in reality for this helping in training. Therefore, it is not unrealistic. Just because in modern society it is rarely done, doesn't make it unrealistic. Training in history is much more brutal than in our modern day society. I would tend to believe, it would be so on Zalanthas as well. Your basis for calling it twinkish is that: We wouldn't do that or it's frowned upon in modern society. That's the flaw.

[Desertman]

I know fighters that do train with extra weight on them. *shrug*

So do I, just not while sparring.

This about sparring isn't it? Did I miss something?

I doubt the Zalanthas Safety Commission is going to come down on fighters for sparring with the extra weight on them to improve their speed and strength. There is a basis in reality for this helping in training. Therefore, it is not unrealistic. Just because in modern society it is rarely done, doesn't make it unrealistic.

We don't have a commission that governs it either.

We are just smart enough not to do it because we care about doing stupid things that injur our training partners for no reason.

That being said, this would be a perfect way to sparr against breeds and elves.

But as I said before, there are already clans IG that have rules against this because even in Zalanthas it is frowned upon. Find out IC.

I'm just saying, blindfolds would likely fall into this same category, I could be wrong.

[A Large Bag]

See the rest of my edit I was adding onto the previous post.

[A Large Bag]

But as I said before, there are already clans IG that have rules against this because even in Zalanthas it is frowned upon. Find out IC.

Yes, a few do. But that was brought about because of the misconception that it's unrealistic to train with extra weight on you to better yourself. It was done for OOC reasons. Because IC, it actually makes it safer for your opponent if you are weighed down. Not more dangerous for them.

[Desertman]

But as I said before, there are already clans IG that have rules against this because even in Zalanthas it is frowned upon. Find out IC.

Yes, a few do. But that was brought about because of the misconception that it's unrealistic to train with extra weight on you to better yourself. It was done for OOC reasons. Because IC, it actually makes it safer for your opponent if you are weighed down. Not more dangerous for them.

I disagree, I believe the rules are in place for IC reasons. Though I can't go into those IC reasons, for obvious reasons.

[Nyr]

a bunch of misconceptions barreling towards assumptions that are also not true

we're talking about closing your eyes right?

[Desertman]

a bunch of misconceptions barreling towards assumptions that are also not true

we're talking about closing your eyes right?

Blindfolds my man, blindfolds.

[Lithium]

I think the "blindfolds will lead to twinking" is a moot point. Characters with skill blind_fighting can already train by going somewhere dark or waiting for the night. Besides, any character who spars blindfolded is up there with those who think they can take armed opponents while unarmed.

[Malifaxis]

Playing this game leads to twinking.