Discussion thread - Extended Subguilds

[Synthesis]

I hope the benefits and costs of this are pretty balanced. Just too early to tell I think.

Sorcerers get A LOT of magick out of a single path.

I'm a little nervous about how much milage the subguilds will get out of the same path. I hope it's less than a full on sorcerer gets. But until I see it in game, can't really say anything else about it.

It had better be pretty awesome, actually, seeing as the entire game is going to be after your ass like it was gold-plated.

[boog]

I only have 1 karma. So y'all are safe ... for now.

PS - this stuff looks great, guys! What a way to give new breath to the game. I'm excited for these changes, people worried of 'twinks' or not. I know I'm not. It'll be delightful to see a smattering of magick available at lower karma levels and what have you.

Now, people, don't fuck up that trust!! 

[musashi]

When you look at the help files on the paths of magick (not the subguilds just the paths themselves) it tells you the 1 spell they open up with, but naturally ... you would fully expect that a sorcerer would branch more spells from that starting spell. So for a sorcerer, each path of magick ... is like a skill tree to be branched up.

I'm just a little apprehensive about how much of that skill tree branches up for these subguilds.

Having a bunch of people running around who are guild_rangers/warriors and also fully 1/4 sorcerers ... miiiiight be a bit much; in my completely uninformed off the cuff personal gut feeling of an opinion.

[Adhira]

Please stop discussing the intricacies of other guilds. 

Magick subguilds are still just that. They are subguilds, they are not equivalent in any way to a  true guild. 

As stated the magick subguilds WILL NOT be in play at the beginning of this trial.  They may be introduced later. 

[Synthesis]

I think the key point is that there -aren't- going to be very many of those PCs running around.

I mean, there are probably plenty of folks with the karma to play muls, but the role itself is so lame most of the time that you rarely see one in game outside of House Kurac.

[musashi]

Please stop discussing the intricacies of other guilds. 

Magick subguilds are still just that. They are subguilds, they are not equivalent in any way to a  true guild. 

As stated the magick subguilds WILL NOT be in play at the beginning of this trial.  They may be introduced later. 

Whew.

[janeshephard]

So, I know there's an answer to this somewhere, but I can't find it.

I'm a ranger, and I pick rogue as an extended subguild. Do I have a version of city sneak that improves on its own?

[Jingo]

I doubt any dual magicker class be permitted. A krathi that can hide is scary enough.

Any plans for allowing psionic related subguilds?

[Adhira]

At this point we have no plans for additional subguilds.

[Zoan]

I wonder how many accidental deaths are going to happen today thanks to this change.

[MeTekillot]

ranger/aggressor

warrior now obsolete

[lordcooper]

ranger/aggressor

warrior now obsolete

Heh, I was actually thinking more along the lines of Warrior/Outdoorsman having that effect on Ranger

[Is Friday]

I really doubt they're going to let you skill up your ranger-type skills as much as a ranger when you're not playing a ranger. It'll probably be just enough to get your ass in trouble.

We'll see!

[Semper]

Query: Is there some sort of event or change to the world that will explain these new subguilds or are we retroactively pretending that they've existed all along, in the case of NPCs and stuff?

It would be awesome if there was something IC that happens to explain the new magick subguilds when they are implemented. *hint hint* 

[Adhira]

These aren't IC in any way so no, nothing will be reflected in game. 

[Yam]

Yeah... there aren't discrete guilds in game. Some people know sorcery. Some people are good at other shit and know some sorcery to boot.

[brytta.leofa]

These are very, very, very awesome.


Two questions:
(1) Subguild component crafting?  I'm assuming "no," or possibly "make one and find out."
(2) Subguild wilderness quit?  For outdoorsmen?

[Adhira]

1) Find out IC

2)  No wilderness quit, sorry.

[brytta.leofa]

Ranger/protector.
Ranger/slipknife.

ALLLLL THE SKILLS

[Akoto]

I would love to give the skill bumps a go during this trial. Unfortunately, I had a specapp burned recently, which means I'm in the waiting period. What timing, eh?

Hope it all works out well. The new subguild choices sound interesting.

[MeTekillot]

We're not going to give warriors backstab, by the way.  I think it's kinda obvious we wouldn't, but just to be clear, we are not going to do that at all.

warrior/slipknife

also i linked to the original post but i could not right the date.

[HavokBlue]

I haven't had a chance to read the thread yet, and it might have been said before but... I was hoping a lot of these new options would make it so that magick characters could actually masquerade as something other than magickers without being guild sniffed and shit right off the bat. But the point costs pretty much prohibit that except for anyone who has high karma level already. As it stands, it seems to me that a lot of these options just mean people with 4 or less karma who want to take advantage of them are limited to either spec-apping... which they could kind of do already, or using them with mundane main guilds, thus doing nothing but creating characters who are good at everything.

Am I missing the point of the new guilds or is this the intention?

[Qzzrbl]

I haven't had a chance to read the thread yet, and it might have been said before but... I was hoping a lot of these new options would make it so that magick characters could actually masquerade as something other than magickers without being guild sniffed and shit right off the bat. But the point costs pretty much prohibit that except for anyone who has high karma level already. As it stands, it seems to me that a lot of these options just mean people with 4 or less karma who want to take advantage of them are limited to either spec-apping... which they could kind of do already, or using them with mundane main guilds, thus doing nothing but creating characters who are good at everything.

Am I missing the point of the new guilds or is this the intention?

Magick guilds aren't available until 2 karma-- meaning you'll have two karma-points to spend by the time you get there.

[Narf]

Let's go down to the silt sea or the shield wall and watch the twinks run like lemmings to their deaths.

Lemings don't actually do that.

[HavokBlue]

Right, which means if I want to play... let's say a Vivaduan/Protector who's a Bynner and doesn't know he's a magicker. That would actually require five karma, if I'm not mistaken. The cheapest combination I'm seeing is 4 CGP, but at severely limited choices.

The new choices are cool and all, and I'm glad staff spent the time to work them out but... I was just hoping they'd expand the options for people at the lower end of the karmic scale without requiring spec apps.