Adding a gem at character generation

[hyzhenhok]

Presumably once the Allanak newbie store is implemented, you'll be able to sit there while you wish up for your gem, and the problem of having people trying to interact with you before hand will be gone.

[Akaramu]

I like the idea, because once upon a time I was not for the life of me able to get a gem by wishing up until the character was already several hours old... might have been bad luck or my odd playing times. I rolled with a virtual gem, which was kind of awkward, then in the middle of an ongoing interaction an invisible staffer finally handed me a coded gem. The people I was roleplaying were like uhhhh... should we ignore what just happened? 

[Barsook]

Couldn't it be presented as an option in char gen?

Guild: Rukkian
Subguild: Thug
Gemmed?: Yes

That would the better idea.

[Desertman]

I hate it when you play an older character who is a gicker and have to get gemmed.

I hate this question...

The so and so templar says, "So, mr Old Guy magicker, you have been a magicker your whole life, and never bothered to get gemmed. Why?"

....

OOC: Srsly man, I'm a new pc, kiss it.

[Kaiden]

The so and so templar says, "So, mr Old Guy magicker, you have been a magicker your whole life, and never bothered to get gemmed. Why?"

....

OOC: Srsly man, I'm a new pc, kiss it.

If a Templar did that to my character BEFORE I had the chance to wish up for a gem AND I had quickly explained to the Templar OOCly that I'm a new character but that I've been gemmed for a long time, I'd write in a complain.

I think the virtual black gem is a little silly myself, I'd play along, but yeah.. It'd be weird I guess nowadays you could just set up a tdesc or something..

tdesc There's a big black gem hanging from her neck. Chick got tha dizzle to wiggle your bazzle.

That's the reason why I wanted to be able to be gemmed before getting in game, anyway, even when players say to just wish up, so that these situations never happen.

[FantasyWriter]

Adding this option would fall right in line of the staff move toward automating things (the karma/subguild thing that will reduce the need for special apps) and streamlining chargen (the noobshop).

Does anyone actually see a problem with this? (other than I just don't like the idea)

Personally, I prefer Lordcooper's idea of just making it a step during chargen.

[Kinther]

Why not just wish up after your character is created? I've never waited more than 5 mins for such a wish in the past, the staff are always quick to resolve requests like that in game.

I understand it may conflict with IC stuff, such as being an old fart who has virtually had a gem the whole time.  if that is an issue, wish up asking an NPC to gem you rather than a PC"

[FantasyWriter]

Why not just wish up after your character is created?

Because, once implemented, it makes the process trouble free for all involved.
Beacuse only an admin or Producer can just hand someone a Gem.
  (the way that I understand it, a Storyteller could only animate a Templar to give some one a Gem. (this won't work since it would be OOC for the Templar to give someone a Gem that already has a Gem).

Why not just wish up after your character is created? I've never waited more than 5 mins for such a wish in the past, the staff are always quick to resolve requests like that in game.

As you may or may not have read above, more than a few people have.
Not all of us play during peak times with plenty of active staffs.

if that is an issue, wish up asking an NPC to gem you rather than a PC"

Staff won't/can't animate an NPC to do something that is OOC for that NPC to do.


Again, why would anyone want to not have this system in place?
Because you can work around a problem is not a good reason not to try to fix a problem.

[Kinther]

I don't play peak hours either, fwiw.  Also, there are NPC templars in the gemmed quarter that can/will give you a gem (if you wish up for it), so it wouldn't be an OOC issue.  If a templar is stationed in that particular area they probably deal with gemmed affairs quite frequently.

I'm not against this idea, I just have not had any trouble getting gemmed before.

[FantasyWriter]

I don't play peak hours either, fwiw.  Also, there are NPC templars in the gemmed quarter that can/will give you a gem (if you wish up for it), so it wouldn't be an OOC issue.  If a templar is stationed in that particular area they probably deal with gemmed affairs quite frequently.

If your character is Gemmed already (per background). It would be VERY un-IC for a Templar to hand you another.
I, for one, have never seen anyone wondering around wearing two.

A storyteller, under most circumstances can not interact directly with a character in Armageddon.
They can only animate the world around the PC, including NPCs, to interact with the character.

I hope that I explained it more clearly this time.

[Nyr]

Why not just wish up after your character is created?

Because, once implemented, it makes the process trouble free for all involved.
Beacuse only an admin or Producer can just hand someone a Gem.
 (the way that I understand it, a Storyteller could only animate a Templar to give some one a Gem. (this won't work since it would be OOC for the Templar to give someone a Gem that already has a Gem).

Incorrect.

Why not just wish up after your character is created? I've never waited more than 5 mins for such a wish in the past, the staff are always quick to resolve requests like that in game.

As you may or may not have read above, more than a few people have.
Not all of us play during peak times with plenty of active staffs.

And a few play during off-peak times.

if that is an issue, wish up asking an NPC to gem you rather than a PC"

Staff won't/can't animate an NPC to do something that is OOC for that NPC to do.

?  When have we ever said we won't put a gem on someone?   Yes, sure, this would be easier for players if it was automated, I don't think anyone denies that, but harping on this as if it is the bane of all mage-playing players everywhere is silly!

[Bacon]

It's not a huge deal. Most of the time I've been able to enter the game and shortly after get a gemmed from a staffer. Once or twice I had to wait around and even leave and log back in and wait around some more before getting a gem. So, while it is not a huge problem, it would be an improvement for character creation of such pcs and there is no good reason not to make this addition. Logically, it makes sense when you consider some of the other changes being done in regards to the character creation process.

[FantasyWriter]

Because, once implemented, it makes the process trouble free for all involved.
Beacuse only an admin or Producer can just hand someone a Gem.
 (the way that I understand it, a Storyteller could only animate a Templar to give some one a Gem. (this won't work since it would be OOC for the Templar to give someone a Gem that already has a Gem).

Incorrect.

As you may or may not have read above, more than a few people have.
Not all of us play during peak times with plenty of active staffs.

And a few play during off-peak times.

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Staff won't/can't animate an NPC to do something that is OOC for that NPC to do.

?  When have we ever said we won't put a gem on someone?   Yes, sure, this would be easier for players if it was automated, I don't think anyone denies that, but harping on this as if it is the bane of all mage-playing players everywhere is silly!

1. Awesome, glad that I was wrong.
2. I did not mean to imply that there weren't -any- around, just that there were fewer.
3. Never, that I am aware of. I was just pointing out that it would be OOC for a Templar (PC or NPC) to hand a Gem to someone who already had one.

3b. I was no so much harping on the topic specifically, more trying to express my annoyance for times when people shoot down ideas based on the fact that there are already"work-around" that address an issues. 

Aside:  Mostly because of my chosen trade, I tend to look at problems and think: It would be best to dissect the problem now and do everything we can to keep it from causing more issues later, rather than hitting problems here and there when "you can get around to it."  However, I completely understand that most of the time this is not going to be a workable way to handle things in an ever evolving game with a slew of volunteers staffer, even a set as awesome as ours.  --Just to let you know where I am coming from.--

[Zoan]

I have never had a problem with staffies giving me gems, pretty promptly too. But maybe they just lub me (I'm looking at you, Nyr-kun). ^_^