Playing a good elf

[Fredd]

I think, Fredd, that you're assigning more reason to wearing that than is necessary.

The people doing that may be raiders, yes, but I know for a fact that NO tribe has NO crafters, even the Fang or SLK, the two most likely to not have them represented by PCs.

It's true, yes. There are SLK crafters. But the majority of what the tribe needs is done by hunting, or raiding.

I can't speak for the fangs, I haven't played one. I'm just stating, there are methods behind the madness. Not every d-elf wearing city gear is forsaking there heratage. Some are embracing it by doing so. There taking what there tribe needs.

By completely draping themselves in that trash from the pit?

By using what they take. By helping the tribe by taking what they need and perhapse trading it, for what the tribe need,s or using it, because its what the tribe needs at the time.

[Lizzie]

I think, Fredd, that you're assigning more reason to wearing that than is necessary.

The people doing that may be raiders, yes, but I know for a fact that NO tribe has NO crafters, even the Fang or SLK, the two most likely to not have them represented by PCs.

It's true, yes. There are SLK crafters. But the majority of what the tribe needs is done by hunting, or raiding.

I can't speak for the fangs, I haven't played one. I'm just stating, there are methods behind the madness. Not every d-elf wearing city gear is forsaking there heratage. Some are embracing it by doing so. There taking what there tribe needs.

By completely draping themselves in that trash from the pit?

Consider it adorning themselves in arrogant displays of their prowess, by wearing the garment of their latest victim. It might be a matter of pride, to the elf, to show off. In fact, maybe the more *variety* of "other peoples' shit" a d'elf is wearing, the more uber he -obviously- must be. A Kadian hunter's cloak, a Jihaen's belt, a Tor's pair of boots, a Salarri's satchel, a Dasari's um - well I'm sure there's something Dasaris own that a desert elf would want to brag about owning. You get the idea.

The d'elf wearing all this shit is saying "ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE EITHER DIED AT MY HAND, OR GIVEN ME THEIR SHIT AT THE END OF MY BLADE - FEAR ME AND MY UBER TRIBE LOLOLOL"

It's a statement of supreme arrogance, to show off the spoils of your victims.

[Marshmellow]

...and sometimes to insult those others wearing similar clothes.  (I've seen tribals sporting clan-only gear for exactly this reason.)

[Zoltan]

I think, Fredd, that you're assigning more reason to wearing that than is necessary.

The people doing that may be raiders, yes, but I know for a fact that NO tribe has NO crafters, even the Fang or SLK, the two most likely to not have them represented by PCs.

It's true, yes. There are SLK crafters. But the majority of what the tribe needs is done by hunting, or raiding.

I can't speak for the fangs, I haven't played one. I'm just stating, there are methods behind the madness. Not every d-elf wearing city gear is forsaking there heratage. Some are embracing it by doing so. There taking what there tribe needs.

By completely draping themselves in that trash from the pit?

Consider it adorning themselves in arrogant displays of their prowess, by wearing the garment of their latest victim. It might be a matter of pride, to the elf, to show off. In fact, maybe the more *variety* of "other peoples' shit" a d'elf is wearing, the more uber he -obviously- must be. A Kadian hunter's cloak, a Jihaen's belt, a Tor's pair of boots, a Salarri's satchel, a Dasari's um - well I'm sure there's something Dasaris own that a desert elf would want to brag about owning. You get the idea.

The d'elf wearing all this shit is saying "ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE EITHER DIED AT MY HAND, OR GIVEN ME THEIR SHIT AT THE END OF MY BLADE - FEAR ME AND MY UBER TRIBE LOLOLOL"

It's a statement of supreme arrogance, to show off the spoils of your victims.

Actually, that's pretty badass. I thought we were talking about a phenomenon of d-elves dressed the same as every other city-bound long-lived ranger/warrior. Scraps of city gear as ornamentation and trophies, sure, but a d-elf in a new, full set of Kuraci gear would make me go a little "wuh?".

[Majikal]

Consider it adorning themselves in arrogant displays of their prowess, by wearing the garment of their latest victim. It might be a matter of pride, to the elf, to show off. In fact, maybe the more *variety* of "other peoples' shit" a d'elf is wearing, the more uber he -obviously- must be. A Kadian hunter's cloak, a Jihaen's belt, a Tor's pair of boots, a Salarri's satchel, a Dasari's um - well I'm sure there's something Dasaris own that a desert elf would want to brag about owning. You get the idea.

The d'elf wearing all this shit is saying "ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE EITHER DIED AT MY HAND, OR GIVEN ME THEIR SHIT AT THE END OF MY BLADE - FEAR ME AND MY UBER TRIBE LOLOLOL"

It's a statement of supreme arrogance, to show off the spoils of your victims.

What lizzie said.
Also, a lot of d-elf tribes consider trophies a big part of their culture, slk and Fang I know wear tattoos scars and 'trophies' as a symbol of pride and as a warning to those around. Blackwing I believe do something similar but it's been a long time since I've done any dealing with blackwing culture. Some tribes do, some tribes don't. Just cause a d-elf is running around in more than a loincloth, a tattered shirt and a spear doesn't mean he's a bad elf..

[Agnor]

Just wondering, would that also make elves the ultimate in "buy local" mentality? Since, unless your buying something you cannot get from your tribe, that's allowing the needless distribution of resources outside the clan?

And about wearing outsider gear, that one sounds tricky. Yes, whatever will give you the best chance of surviving would be appropriate to wear, especcially (possibly only) if you didn't have to pay for it. On the other hand it would be admitting that human made items are superior to your own tribes ability. Maybe this would depend a little on how proud the tribe is about it's crafting abilities, and you could always get the materials and ask that a wonderful mater crafted create an identical item with their superior skilland in the tribes identifying fashion couldn't you (maybe a master draftees once a month request, or ask a imm to have a npc master crafter rp it out with you?)?

[palomar]

Consider it adorning themselves in arrogant displays of their prowess, by wearing the garment of their latest victim. It might be a matter of pride, to the elf, to show off. In fact, maybe the more *variety* of "other peoples' shit" a d'elf is wearing, the more uber he -obviously- must be. A Kadian hunter's cloak, a Jihaen's belt, a Tor's pair of boots, a Salarri's satchel, a Dasari's um - well I'm sure there's something Dasaris own that a desert elf would want to brag about owning. You get the idea.

The d'elf wearing all this shit is saying "ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE EITHER DIED AT MY HAND, OR GIVEN ME THEIR SHIT AT THE END OF MY BLADE - FEAR ME AND MY UBER TRIBE LOLOLOL"

It's a statement of supreme arrogance, to show off the spoils of your victims.

What lizzie said.
Also, a lot of d-elf tribes consider trophies a big part of their culture, slk and Fang I know wear tattoos scars and 'trophies' as a symbol of pride and as a warning to those around. Blackwing I believe do something similar but it's been a long time since I've done any dealing with blackwing culture. Some tribes do, some tribes don't. Just cause a d-elf is running around in more than a loincloth, a tattered shirt and a spear doesn't mean he's a bad elf..

The post I quoted (as I stated, I didn't write it myself) most likely meant the situation where a d-elf runs off to buy a full set of GMH or city gear for whatever reason they have to do so. IMO, a d-elf would be proud of their clan's crafts and the local "fashion", and use that primarily. If the tribe is known for its bamuk hide armor and most hunters in the tribe us that, I'd say it should be common for the PCs to use it as well. It doesn't have to go to the extreme, though. On the other hand, I think showing off various bits of gear and trinkets is a cool way to tell the world that your d-elf has been through some stuff and has stories to tell.

[Jingo]

If there are no player characters making armor in the tribe anyways; you kind of need to get it from somewhere else.

[Jingo]

Consider it adorning themselves in arrogant displays of their prowess, by wearing the garment of their latest victim. It might be a matter of pride, to the elf, to show off. In fact, maybe the more *variety* of "other peoples' shit" a d'elf is wearing, the more uber he -obviously- must be. A Kadian hunter's cloak, a Jihaen's belt, a Tor's pair of boots, a Salarri's satchel, a Dasari's um - well I'm sure there's something Dasaris own that a desert elf would want to brag about owning.

While otherwise a good point. If a desert elf of any tribe consistently parades around trophies from those clans, I would give them a life expectancy of about five minutes. At the very least they are inviting their tribe to be attacked.

[jstorrie]

Consider it adorning themselves in arrogant displays of their prowess, by wearing the garment of their latest victim. It might be a matter of pride, to the elf, to show off. In fact, maybe the more *variety* of "other peoples' shit" a d'elf is wearing, the more uber he -obviously- must be. A Kadian hunter's cloak, a Jihaen's belt, a Tor's pair of boots, a Salarri's satchel, a Dasari's um - well I'm sure there's something Dasaris own that a desert elf would want to brag about owning.

While otherwise a good point. If a desert elf of any tribe consistently parades around trophies from those clans, I would give them a life expectancy of about five minutes. At the very least they are inviting their tribe to be attacked.

You must not have been playing much recently!

[Jingo]

Consider it adorning themselves in arrogant displays of their prowess, by wearing the garment of their latest victim. It might be a matter of pride, to the elf, to show off. In fact, maybe the more *variety* of "other peoples' shit" a d'elf is wearing, the more uber he -obviously- must be. A Kadian hunter's cloak, a Jihaen's belt, a Tor's pair of boots, a Salarri's satchel, a Dasari's um - well I'm sure there's something Dasaris own that a desert elf would want to brag about owning.

While otherwise a good point. If a desert elf of any tribe consistently parades around trophies from those clans, I would give them a life expectancy of about five minutes. At the very least they are inviting their tribe to be attacked.

You must not have been playing much recently!

Maybe. Or maybe I think some elf players aren't thinking about how they represent the game world.

This is of course assuming that those trophies were taken from raiding.

[MeTekillot]

Actually, a desert elf parading around gear from various clans end up with those clans paying tribute to that elves tribe, because that's how it works.

[Jingo]

Actually, a desert elf parading around gear from various clans end up with those clans paying tribute to that elves tribe, because that's how it works.

I hope this is sarcasm.

Because I really don't like the idea of desert elf clans being the invincible desert stiders that they sometimes act like.

[Fredd]

Everyone is saying "Oh but X clan would come retaliate"

You have to remember something. All the delf tribes may not trust/like eachother. But they like roundears less. A clan that comes marching into the pah without Searius backing of a couple other clans is mostly asking for al the tribes in the area to come say hello with arrows...

And You know Blackwing HATES when people bring armys around there trade route.


Edit: I'm not saying they would nessisarilly team up (though some tribes would) What I am saying is that a large force of roundears is going to piss off and scare everyone around. And this generally resaults in one thing. Fight or Flight. And since the roundies are encroaching on D-elf land. Guerilla warfare will probably ensue.

[Hot_Dancer]

I like to see elves wear regional goods. Adds to the theme some, that they're not just a collection of stats and numbers.
It's cool to be able to reasonably identify the heritage of a tribal of any race by what they're wearing.

To my knowledge, the elven tribes have never unified against a human-based enemy to significant scale. Via their distrustful
nature to anything outside the tribe, a suitable militia can happily come through and slaughter any elven encampment they
come upon as long as another elven raiding party doesn't beat them to the punch against said camp. Been there, done that.

The only thing that keeps a raider elf's family safe in game is the metagaming and general logistics of chasing down the tribe.
The return on rounding up, chasing down and slaughtering an elven tribe isn't much considering the effort required. Older
PC's who could be more than willing to hold grudge against every new desert elf of some offending tribe (and plot their pending
demise) is typically more interested in interacting with a new persona in the gameworld and the dynamic an active elven tribe
can bring at the peak of their activity instead of killing them because of the offense of another tribemember.

Cheers,
HD

[Cindy42]

The d'elf wearing all this shit is saying "ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE EITHER DIED AT MY HAND, OR GIVEN ME THEIR SHIT AT THE END OF MY BLADE - FEAR ME AND MY UBER TRIBE LOLOLOL"

this going in my signature Lizzie. its awesome. speak now or forever hold your peace.

[Fredd]

To my knowledge, the elven tribes have never unified against a human-based enemy to significant scale.

Yeah they have. Why do you think theres no more human tribals in the pah really?

And again, I didn't say unified, i said each tribe would probably seek to harass the roundears untill they leave. Unless the size of the force is superiorly large by a considerable ammount., Then they would probably hide in the nitches of the pah until they left.

And if blackwing sent a messenger to each tribe saying "team up" I am willing to bet the tribes would, if for no reason but fear of blackwing's superior numbers.

The numbers needed would have to be large, on the part of the humans. Something like The Arm or His Legions coming with the backing of a Noble house, I would guess. Not that such a thing couldn't happen (i've seen it happen, but i can't say more, still to ic)

But like, House Salarr couldn't muster the manpower alone, I don't think.... And i beleave that the d-elves don't like House Salarr to begin with.

[Anaiah]

Yeah they have. Why do you think theres no more human tribals in the pah really?

That supposition is incorrect. If you want to know more, you can find out IC. They not only exist, there are coded camps.

[Fredd]

Yeah they have. Why do you think theres no more human tribals in the pah really?

That supposition is incorrect. If you want to know more, you can find out IC. They not only exist, there are coded camps.

I was going by the doc's for the tribes themselves. Like the Seik, who specifically state they were chased out. (that's in the public documentations, I beleave)
I simply meant that there arent nearly as many as there was.

[Nyr]

This is getting remarkably close to IC events.  The original question has been answered, and now opinions (mostly incorrect) are being floated around about whether tribes would band together or not, or whether there are human tribals in the Pah (documentation proves otherwise).  Let that be determined IC.  Go armchair quarterback such a hypothetical in-game with your buds at the Gaj or the Tooth.