Prostitution - Expectations?

[Is Friday]

I played a male whore once.

Insurmountably difficult to get clients, compared to female whores. I find that you can get even more clients of the female variety with female whores. I definitely could have survived. But there really just isn't the same market you can find for a female whore. Forget about being off-peak in the least, you'll starve.

I actually had an easier time with one of my street sweepers. Templars would walk by my sweeper and toss her coins regularly as she swept up the North Road. Even got hired to clean out the Tooth for a while by a Kuraci Agent. Had a feud with someone that kept knocking over potted plants in front of the Sanc.

For the most part, whoring a big joke to me. I generally hire virtual whores with real coded sids to keep things simple and to-the-point if I have a concept that supports the action. Every now and again I'll hire a whore and hurry up their shit for a FTB. I found that female clients never wanted to appear slutty, so they generally just hired for massages or company. (What the fuck, right? Not that I minded at all, it was far more interesting than virtual secks.)

Anyone who expects no FTB needs to re-evaluate what other options they have available to them for porn or whatever else. I sure as shit wouldn't want to RP hour-long masturbatory thrust & moan scenes.

[Akaramu]

Anyone who expects no FTB needs to re-evaluate what other options they have available to them for porn or whatever else. I sure as shit wouldn't want to RP hour-long masturbatory thrust & moan scenes.

Dude... you need to get away from this point of view that anyone who feels they have a reason to play it out (if the other person is willing) are seeing it as some sort of porn replacement. I'm sure most people prefer to get their fix in real life and aren't a bunch of drooling weirdos who live in their mother's basement. Sometimes there just -are- reasons that have nothing at all to do with getting a personal kick out of it. It's a text game, and is generally played for storytelling purposes.

[AmandaGreathouse]

Anyone who expects no FTB needs to re-evaluate what other options they have available to them for porn or whatever else. I sure as shit wouldn't want to RP hour-long masturbatory thrust & moan scenes.

Dude... you need to get away from this point of view that anyone who feels they have a reason to play it out (if the other person is willing) are seeing it as some sort of porn replacement. I'm sure most people prefer to get their fix in real life and aren't a bunch of drooling weirdos who live in their mother's basement. Sometimes there just -are- reasons that have nothing at all to do with getting a personal kick out of it. It's a text game, and is generally played for storytelling purposes.

First off, this.

Secondly: When you hired one of my pcs for the deed, you didn't fade, either.

Third: I'm not saying you shouldn't get paid in actual coins if you're an FTB whore, I'm merely saying that it would be akin to being hired as a hunter for a GMH and never once 'actually' going out to hunt with the explanation that literally all of it happened in virtual time.

[deviant storm]

Anyone who expects no FTB needs to re-evaluate what other options they have available to them for porn or whatever else. I sure as shit wouldn't want to RP hour-long masturbatory thrust & moan scenes.

Dude... you need to get away from this point of view that anyone who feels they have a reason to play it out (if the other person is willing) are seeing it as some sort of porn replacement. I'm sure most people prefer to get their fix in real life and aren't a bunch of drooling weirdos who live in their mother's basement. Sometimes there just -are- reasons that have nothing at all to do with getting a personal kick out of it. It's a text game, and is generally played for storytelling purposes.

This. I get my kicks elsewhere. But sometimes you have to play it out, to give the hidden assasin time to jump out and murder your john.  Or for other reasons.

[Akoto]

To potential players of whores, i'd say don't underestimate the playerbase. If you have an interesting or fun character, or even if you just play a boring one well, normally there will be players (like Bogre) that support and play with you. Peak and off peak.

Very true, and furthermore, they will support it with more than just sexual encounters.

I've played more than one whore. All of them, without exception, had some secret offers extended to them within a few days of play. Criminal groups offering to include and take care of them, the local law or other parties looking to pay well for valuable pillow talk, rewards for interesting things overheard in taverns. If you play the role ambitiously and make yourself known outside of the bedroom (or alley, as it may be), it can be a very fulfilling role with with potential for a certain degree of power and prestige.

Even if you prefer to stay 100% at the lowest rung of the world, you can still be a perfectly interesting character, and you're making a valuable contribution by showing an "average" person living an average Zalanthan lifestyle. It's much the same for folks who play career grebbers, sweepers, dung haulers, miners, etc. You help bring the world to life!

[MarshallDFX]

Is this the thread where I come to brag about my mudsexxin' emotes?

Seriously.  This thread is ridiculous.

[BlackMagic0]

Anyone who expects no FTB needs to re-evaluate what other options they have available to them for porn or whatever else. I sure as shit wouldn't want to RP hour-long masturbatory thrust & moan scenes.

Dude... you need to get away from this point of view that anyone who feels they have a reason to play it out (if the other person is willing) are seeing it as some sort of porn replacement. I'm sure most people prefer to get their fix in real life and aren't a bunch of drooling weirdos who live in their mother's basement. Sometimes there just -are- reasons that have nothing at all to do with getting a personal kick out of it. It's a text game, and is generally played for storytelling purposes.

This. I get my kicks elsewhere. But sometimes you have to play it out, to give the hidden assasin time to jump out and murder your john.   Or for other reasons.

You guys need to be nicer to the hookers of the world!!
They are very nice people... and I even spoke to a few on the Vegas strip.
Its not their faults they can make in one night what I make in 3-4 paychecks. At 40 hours and 8 bucks a hour!


On topic reply:
I have seen/read logs of some the most amusing things ever on Arm, just because you don't fade doesn't mean you wanna whack it. It has the potential for some very amusing things.
Assassin who follows you in, and waits till you get undressed and drop your weapons. Then stabs you!
Immortals have also echoed out some amusing ass things once when things got hot on a balcony.
Burglars need something to amuse themselves with too!

I really could care less if was ftb or consent. Its always up to the other person for me.

[deviant storm]

Anyone who expects no FTB needs to re-evaluate what other options they have available to them for porn or whatever else. I sure as shit wouldn't want to RP hour-long masturbatory thrust & moan scenes.

Dude... you need to get away from this point of view that anyone who feels they have a reason to play it out (if the other person is willing) are seeing it as some sort of porn replacement. I'm sure most people prefer to get their fix in real life and aren't a bunch of drooling weirdos who live in their mother's basement. Sometimes there just -are- reasons that have nothing at all to do with getting a personal kick out of it. It's a text game, and is generally played for storytelling purposes.

This. I get my kicks elsewhere. But sometimes you have to play it out, to give the hidden assasin time to jump out and murder your john.  Or for other reasons.

You guys need to be nicer to the hookers of the world!!
They are very nice people... and I even spoke to a few on the Vegas strip.
Its not their faults they can make in one night what I make in 3-4 paychecks. At 40 hours and 8 bucks a hour!


On topic reply:
I have seen/read logs of some the most amusing things ever on Arm, just because you don't fade doesn't mean you wanna whack it. It has the potential for some very amusing things.
Assassin who follows you in, and waits till you get undressed and drop your weapons. Then stabs you!
Immortals have also echoed out some amusing ass things once when things got hot on a balcony.
Burglars need something to amuse themselves with too!

I really could care less if was ftb or consent. Its always up to the other person for me.

Had this happen. A couple of things, like this. Once was killed with the assassin who jumped us after the clothes/weapons were off. But my character was a noble's aide and like my second character ever in Arm.

And another time a templar came in. Won't discuss the particulars, because it's too recent. But I've never seen a templar emote being scarred for life like that before.   

[WagonsHo]

The key is to eat heavily ahead of time and then draw out the fore-play so long that your partner eventually has to fade or they'll face starvation.

emote lifts one finger, which begins to lead the overall motion of ^me hand in %cutie direction.

emote The hand continuing now about a few more inches forward, @'s eyes seem to communicate intense desire.

emote At least halfway in ^me reach toward the buttons of %cutie shirt, @ makes a deep, rumbling sound.

pemote hand is almost there now!  It's approaching the top button!

emote Smiling a roguish smile, @ carefully begins to manipulate the button away from its hooked position in the button-hole of %cutie shirt, which flows luxuriously over ^cutie body and seems to fill !me with gasping pleasure even at the barest whisper of ^me fingertips tracing across the fabric.


Just kidding.  I don't do this on purpose.  It just naturally happens.   

[LauraMars]

I played a whore once.  I wanted to fade a lot because the mudsex got so boring, but I didn't feel like it would be right.  Nobody seemed to want to fade.

Instead, I became super economical with all my emotes, and my average turn around time for clients was under a half an hour!  I ran...a tight operation.  You might say that...business was huge. 

Edit: Ok, maybe I was...stretching myself...on that last metaphor.

[Is Friday]

Anyone who expects no FTB needs to re-evaluate what other options they have available to them for porn or whatever else. I sure as shit wouldn't want to RP hour-long masturbatory thrust & moan scenes.

Dude... you need to get away from this point of view that anyone who feels they have a reason to play it out (if the other person is willing) are seeing it as some sort of porn replacement. I'm sure most people prefer to get their fix in real life and aren't a bunch of drooling weirdos who live in their mother's basement. Sometimes there just -are- reasons that have nothing at all to do with getting a personal kick out of it. It's a text game, and is generally played for storytelling purposes.

First off, this.

Secondly: When you hired one of my pcs for the deed, you didn't fade, either.

Third: I'm not saying you shouldn't get paid in actual coins if you're an FTB whore, I'm merely saying that it would be akin to being hired as a hunter for a GMH and never once 'actually' going out to hunt with the explanation that literally all of it happened in virtual time.

Are we talking about having a conversation while "fading" a vnpc in an alley by not elaborating what was going on at the time of the conversating? Because that's funny.

Or are we talking about this one time when I was semi-afk and was like "okay whatever"? Because I'll give you a pass on that.

Or are we talking about the time where my tribal PC got a stained loincloth off a Tuluki noble? Because that was gross.

[AmandaGreathouse]

Entirely different PC than that one. But I do remember that one. And your pc was the same one.

[Is Friday]

Entirely different PC than that one. But I do remember that one. And your pc was the same one.

I did rent a lot of whores with that PC, virtual and player. Yours was the one that got through to emote!

edit: I'm not advocating that everyone stop mudsexing. (I am.) But people should, if they are so inclined, stop feeling that they deserve mudsex by paying for a PC whore. I don't get to torture someone if they don't consent--I just get to kill them. If a whore/otherwise doesn't consent, you get the same treatment.

But you can still kill them! (Upside.)

[Kevo]

WARNING! MAY CONTAIN WORDS AND PHRASES THAT NSFW, OR YOUTH INAPPROPRIATE.

I'm awful at writing disclaimers, because I don't have a built in sense of what's appropriate.

I considered writing the mudsex bible.


I've played whores and prostitutes, (there's a difference imo), I've had somewhere around 15 of them.


The amount of times I've had mudsex ig is somewhere around a good 150. And that's lowballing it. I know I could write a huge, humongous post on it, but I doubt anyone would be interested in my Zalanthan Kinsey Report.

About 65% of people FTB. Out of those PC's, about 30% want information on what happened beyond the standard, "Did he get off? Did she get off? Was it good? Done." They want information like body shapes, reactions, movements, preferences, and post-coitus reactions and/or changes.

There's a good 35% that don't want to FTB unless the other person specifically wants to. 50% of these players are absolutely stunning in what they can emote, when they feel they have the downtime and intimacy of player-to-player interaction.

The other 50% can be mindnumbingly dull and repetitive.


That's all OOC stuff. IC'ly, let me explain some misconceptions I had, and some standard recurring themes I discovered.

Women are always preferred over men, when it comes to prostitution. Men however, usually have the ability to charge much more. The average, base standard in a decent economy for sex, is two small. Convenience, location (alley, or apartment), appearance, presence of a pimp or enforcer, and overall skill, can all change price dramatically. My lowest price ever for tricking, is a half skin of water. My highest price ever was with a successful, middle-aged hooker who had a standard clientele, family in the Arm of the Dragon, who also had a fifteen year old rinthi pimp, was one large, and three skins of water. The pimp was not aware of how much I charged, so got a much, much smaller cut than he deserved.

Hooking with a pimp increases protection, allows for versatility, "sure I can come to your house, if my pimp stands outside your door", and can either increase or decrease prices, depending on a vast amount of variables.

Hooking with a pimp is being a prostitute, hooking without one, is being a whore, because as a whore, you're more likely to NEED the money, and thus more likely to take risks, sleep with the creepy, ugly, or those of questionable health.

Having blonde, or petite in your sdesc, drastically increases the amount of people wanting to sleep with you, and pay for it. It's not something I'd expect in zalanthas. Thankfully, there are the hardcore players who prefer 'the plump, swarthy lass' as opposed to the 'skinny, pale blonde'. Strangely, if your sexual parts are mentioned, (with guys, asses should be mentioned), you're less likely to be considered for mating, or sexual recreation.


More on expectations. People expect information when I'm playing a prostitute. Everything from size, to positions, to facial expressions, to attitudes have been asked for when 'F'ing to black'. When roleplaying out the situation, most of these things are offered by the other player, so in general, I return the information. Seems like a good policy.

Remember, wankers, if you want to know how somethings tastes/feels/reacts, offer something analogous in your emote, and it will most likely get returned. Second, if you plan on roleplaying out long sessions, go to a thesaurus website, and get yourself some synonyms, for krath's sake, no one wants to see 'fat cock' typed out sixty different times. And it is NOT always appropriate to use the phrase 'cumhole'. It's just disrespectful.

[Jdr]

I once bought someone a hooker. It was a good time. If I ever find out there's PC whores in town I hire the hell out of them. It's my duty!

Disclaimer: I hire them out for other people. >_>

[X-D]

Actually, so do I. When I had my last Salarr officer and my last Byn ooficer, they both hired prostitutes for the people under them...as often as they could be found.

[Spice Spice Baby]

Anyone who expects no FTB needs to re-evaluate what other options they have available to them for porn or whatever else. I sure as shit wouldn't want to RP hour-long masturbatory thrust & moan scenes.

Dude... you need to get away from this point of view that anyone who feels they have a reason to play it out (if the other person is willing) are seeing it as some sort of porn replacement. I'm sure most people prefer to get their fix in real life and aren't a bunch of drooling weirdos who live in their mother's basement. Sometimes there just -are- reasons that have nothing at all to do with getting a personal kick out of it. It's a text game, and is generally played for storytelling purposes.

First off, this.

Secondly: When you hired one of my pcs for the deed, you didn't fade, either.

Third: I'm not saying you shouldn't get paid in actual coins if you're an FTB whore, I'm merely saying that it would be akin to being hired as a hunter for a GMH and never once 'actually' going out to hunt with the explanation that literally all of it happened in virtual time.

Except there's no clause in the game rules that states that the players of hunters can skip hunting scenes if they feel OOCly uncomfortable.

[AmandaGreathouse]

I know that there isn't. I did not mean to imply that it was exactly, precisely, 100% the same thing. What I mean is, it's probably not a good idea to pick a character concept CENTERED around a trade you never plan on actually acting out.

[RogueGunslinger]

(insert friendly jest) Just because I like emoting to be a debonair, ladykiller prostitute, doesn't me I like to "emote thrusts his sweaty form vigorously." Savvy? (insert cute smiley)

Edit: And what exactly, would make it a not good idea?

[Is Friday]

I once habitually masturbated with one of my slave characters in the barracks. I didn't emote it out except in funny one-liners like "sneaks into cot and gets to work". I'd change my ldesc, though.

Not acting it out did not make it any less funny when the staff animated an npc to tell my character's master.

[AmandaGreathouse]

And what exactly, would make it a not good idea?

It's an opinion. What makes it that way, is me feeling that way.

As with all opinions, it's perfectly fine to ignore.

[Preacher]

And what exactly, would make it a not good idea?

It's an opinion. What makes it that way, is me feeling that way.

As with all opinions, it's perfectly fine to ignore.

Share it. 

I'd argue that an independent hunter/merchant/dung collector/spice dealer/anything would quickly starve if they only virtually hunted/traded/shoveled/dealt. 

However, an employed any one of these would allow the character to take care of all that messy working-hard-to-stay-alive-in-the-harsh-world-of-Zalanthas-business in their virtual time if the player chooses to do so.  And, no yelling yet please, I'd consider this a valid choice to make.  Different characters with different goals.

Thus an indi prostitute had better be willing to do some -work-, just like any of the others.

BUT - back on topic: 

Played one - quickly snapped up, so little experience with actual work, but not one pc (out of about four or five) asked for a fade.

On payment - agree with Cutthroat - it happened, pay for it, treat it as any other ic event.

[AmandaGreathouse]

On payment - agree with Cutthroat - it happened, pay for it, treat it as any other ic event.

That's not to say it didn't happen or you shouldn't get paid for it. I'm just saying... I understand why a player might be upset if they hired your character to go out, hunt, and bring them back 10 pelts (so that they could, say, make a jacket, turn a profit, and keep paying indie hunters), and got pissed at you, as a player, if you came back with 10 rped (virtual) pelts, that you hunted in your virtual time, while actually logged off. Sure, you rped it happened. Sure, you rped you have ten pelts. But that's not going to have the same result as you doing it all. Actually going through the motions and doing it. In fact, probably more than a few players would complain.

While I understand that sexual RP is consensual, it would make no sense to make a prostitute character and never expect to act out your characters trade (IMO). Much as you don't have to 'actually' hunt every day you're logged in with your GMH hunter and slacking off altogether will screw over the merchants who depend on the crafts they'd make from the things your hunter brings in, you don't 'have' to play out scenes.

IMO, it's still bullshit to make a prostitute character with the intention of never acting out their trade. Much as it would be bullshit to make a hunter and literally never hunt. Or a merchant who literally never trades, or a sneaky who literally never does sneaky stuff. Once again, just an opinion, but I would think that, on a common sense level, the people who wanted to generally avoid explicit sex RP would avoid making a pc whose trade revolves around the EXACT thing they want to avoid. Much like: I don't like burglars, so I don't play them.

[Lizzie]

What Amanda said is exactly what I was trying to say (except I think she explained it better).

[Cutthroat]

Ah, I get what you are trying to say. A thought about that:

Players of prostitutes are potentially playing out some foreplay, some pillow talk afterward, or are generally just spending a lot of time around their clients. I think that even if they want to skip the explicit sexual acts, they are still spending time roleplaying their PC's trade, which includes offering one's body to others, building a mental list of regular clients, spending time with those clients, sexily presenting oneself to the world, etc. Being a prostitute is about having sex with other people and getting paid for it, but that is far from the only thing that can be played out. If the player is roleplaying well in the other aspects of being a prostitute but fading for sexually explicit acts, then I honestly don't see how another player could legitimately fault them for their play.

That said, the claim that playing a prostitute revolves around sex RP seems wrong to me. Don't get me wrong; I think sex is certainly a big part of prostitution. But playing a prostitute involves being a salesperson and a socialite as well. And those are things anyone can RP, no consent required.