necksnap redux

[brytta.leofa]

Because we need to reargue this every year.  I'd like to see a little more color and strategery in subdue-based encounters.

> choke victim
Not a branched skill, but totally ineffective at low subdue levels.
Subtract the victim's subdue skill + strength bonus + whatever from your own.
Delay: after.

Critical failure: you lose the hold and the victim gets a free attack unless his nosave arrest / nosave subdue is turned on.  (Yes, this is one more way that militia/legion/Fist soldiers might accidentally kill people.)
Failure: victim escapes your hold.
Success: victim loses 5-30 stun.
Epic success: victim loses 30 stun and drops a weapon.

See also:

Yeah, if you're really strong (and have good base offense), subdue;kill is money.

That's pretty much the criteria such a skill would be based on, and it works basically the same.

I suppose an actual command would be interesting, but I'd want it to be a branched warrior skill.  It could branch from subdue and allow somewhat weaker (ordinary humans, I mean), skilled warriors to choke people to the point of unconsciousness.

[Synthesis]

Subdue really doesn't need to be more powerful.

If you want to fuck somebody up with subdue, get a buddy.

[X-D]

Subdue really doesn't need to be more powerful.

If you want to fuck somebody up with subdue, get a buddy.

Yup.

[Ghost]

does subdue dude;hit dude still work?

[RogueGunslinger]

I'm for the OP.


I'd also like for the ability to 'steal item <subduee>' and not get crim-flagged like on a sleeping person.

[Synthesis]

I'm for the OP.


I'd also like for the ability to 'steal item <subduee>' and not get crim-flagged like on a sleeping person.

When did they change that? (Getting crim-flagged for stealing from someone unconscious/sleeping, that is.)

[RogueGunslinger]

Oh, bad phrasing.

I'd also like for the ability to 'steal item <subduee>' and not get crim-flagged. Like how you don't get crimflagged stealing from a sleeping person.

Fixed that.

[Synthesis]

Oh, bag phrasing.

I'd also like for the ability to 'steal item <subduee>' and not get crim-flagged. Like how you don't get crimflagged stealing from a sleeping person.

Fixed that.

Oh, ha.

Well, if you think about it...if you're in a place where crim-flags are handed out...maybe you ought not to be subduing and snatching things from people, since it's not exactly a subtle plot.

[RogueGunslinger]

Very good point.