Breaking your lease.

[Winterless]

Don't do many of these types of threads, so I hope I put this in the right place.

I was just thinking about apartments and when new ones become available. I think it would be nice to be able to break your current lease so that you can go in contract for that one across the hall that you've been eyeing for months that just became vacant.

Perhaps something like:

>rent cancel
or
>rent break

So that you can get out of your current lease and rent another apartment within the same building, since code won't let you rent two apartments in the same building.

Also, if this were to come into fruition, I don't believe you should be given back a prorated rent... kinda like a security deposit since you didn't complete the terms of the agreement. I've thought about getting a prorated amount back vs not and I just don't think it would fit into Zalanthas. Kinda like, "Well, Amos, you agreed to it, it's your loss."

What do you guys think?

[Krath]

*Stamp of Approval*

[flurry]

I like it.

I agree about not getting the balance back. Maybe even a restriction on how often you could do this. Otherwise, it might allow for weird behavior, like cycling through vacant apartments.

[NoteworthyFellow]

Yep, makes sense to me, and it makes plenty of IC sense, too. After all, if someone wants to move out of an apartment, thus freeing it up for another renter, while simultaneously allowing you to keep what they've already paid for it, hey, I think that's a win-win from the apartment owner's standpoint, right?

[FantasyWriter]

I like the OP and agree that you shouldn't get your rent back.

[Salt Merchant]

Yes.

There have been times when I've decided to abandon an apartment and would have liked to make it available to a next renter.

[Pale Horse]

This idea has my seal of approval.



Also, in the interest of making it more simple, maybe have it so that you can just use the "rent" command, as normal.  But!  you'll get some sort of message like "Renting this apartment will cut your current lease, no refunds.  You sure you want to do this?"  Typing "rent apartment blah blah" again will confirm it, in which case your cash is taken, your key given, and your old apartment is still yours for the next IG day so you can move your stuff.  At the end of the day, the apartment opens and anyone can rent it.

[Sephiroto]

Thumbs up.

[IAmJacksOpinion]

I am Jack's seal of approval.

Which is far inferior to Pale Horse's seal of approval, but then again most seals of approval are...

[Taven]

I'd like it to be that if you're renting a building in the same place, you can get not the money back, but the days transferred, as it's extremely annoying to want to upgrade to a place when you still have days left on your rent, or worse, renewed your rent very recently.

If it's the same building, why shouldn't you be able to upgrade? Just put a limit on it, like useable only once an IC week, and that should prevent most abuse, I think.

[FantasyWriter]

I'd like it to be that if you're renting a building in the same place, you can get not the money back, but the days transferred, as it's extremely annoying to want to upgrade to a place when you still have days left on your rent, or worse, renewed your rent very recently.

If it's the same building, why shouldn't you be able to upgrade? Just put a limit on it, like useable only once an IC week, and that should prevent most abuse, I think.

No... you'd have people checking all the apartments for loot and trying to win the apartment game.

[AmandaGreathouse]

I'd like it to be that if you're renting a building in the same place, you can get not the money back, but the days transferred, as it's extremely annoying to want to upgrade to a place when you still have days left on your rent, or worse, renewed your rent very recently.

If it's the same building, why shouldn't you be able to upgrade? Just put a limit on it, like useable only once an IC week, and that should prevent most abuse, I think.

I like this.

And Pale Horse's idea for using the rent command as usual.

*two very enthusiastic thumbs up*

[Taven]

I'd like it to be that if you're renting a building in the same place, you can get not the money back, but the days transferred, as it's extremely annoying to want to upgrade to a place when you still have days left on your rent, or worse, renewed your rent very recently.

If it's the same building, why shouldn't you be able to upgrade? Just put a limit on it, like useable only once an IC week, and that should prevent most abuse, I think.

No... you'd have people checking all the apartments for loot and trying to win the apartment game.

How, exactly? There aren't usually apartments open in one building for multipul RL days, and we're talking about not getting your money back, only the days transferred. If it was an issue, you could set a higher time inbetween when you could use the command.

[Lizzie]

How: There are often buidings with multiple apartments available at the same time. It'd be easy to rent apartment 3 - go in, take what you need, drag it to the hallway or pay a pal to hold it while you go back to the agent and rent apartment 7. Go upstairs, loot apartment 7, go back downstairs and rent apartment 1. Rinse, repeat, for however many apartments are rentable, for however much stuff you and your pal can carry. Then drag it all into the apartment you actually want to live in, and you've got it made for the next 10 RL days. By then you've sold off all the stuff from the first 3 apartments, and can now afford the one you're in for the next 2 game-years.

[Winterless]

The items would have been looted either way. Maybe not all by one person, but it was that person that recently vacated that made the mistake to leave their belongings behind anyway.

[AmandaGreathouse]

The items would have been looted either way. Maybe not all by one person, but it was that person that recently vacated that made the mistake to leave their belongings behind anyway.

This. Thank you.

[Lizzie]

Yes, but Taven asked a specific question. I answered it. He asked "how would one person be able to "win the apartment game" as FW put it.

The answer, is that -one- person can "win the apartment game," by showing up on the day that several apartments are for rent, and renting all of them, thus preventing anyone else from getting all the good stuff. Yes, he only gets to rent one at a time, but he -also- gets to loot each one before giving up the lease. It's basically authorized burglary.

[spawnloser]

Yes, but Taven asked a specific question. I answered it. He asked "how would one person be able to "win the apartment game" as FW put it.

The answer, is that -one- person can "win the apartment game," by showing up on the day that several apartments are for rent, and renting all of them, thus preventing anyone else from getting all the good stuff. Yes, he only gets to rent one at a time, but he -also- gets to loot each one before giving up the lease. It's basically authorized burglary.

This.

That's my only concern with this idea.  I would prefer a 'rent cancel' where you simply lose the lease on the old apartment.  Period.  You want stuff moved out, unlock and open the door to the old apartment, THEN cancel your lease on the old apartment, rent a new apartment, move your stuff to the new one, and we're done.

[Lizzie]

I'd say, if you leave your current apartment for another in the same building, that old apartment will be locked up by the rental agent (virtually) the second you vacate. If you want to "play the apartment game" (It's a good term, even though it isn't entirely accurate), then you should know a burglar, be a burglar, or be there after a burglar's been there and before he's had the chance to loot it himself.

Otherwise, it reduces the value of even having a burglar class in the game (doesn't eliminate it, but definitely reduces it).

[spawnloser]

Having your old apartment auto-locked by the apartment_master prevents moving from one apartment to the next in the same building.  I don't like this position on this topic.  I would rather come up with a solution that allowed people to move but prevented people playing the apartment game, Lizzie.

[Morrolan]

If someone new rents the apartment, Nenyuk sells all of the things in the apartment themselves.  (i.e Dump it into a nenyuk-owned storage facility)

[Lizzie]

This does allow people to move, and does prevent them from playing the apartment game. And actually, it doesn't prevent it. it just adds some risk.

What I'm saying, is if I rent apartment 1, and the one I really like opens up, then I can grab a friend, or risk bringing things out into the hall myself. And then, when I'm confident that everything I want is out of the apartment, in the hall or being carried by a friend, I go to the rental agent and rent apartment 5, the one I really want to live in that just opened up. And then - I lug everything from the hallway into apartment 5, or have my friend carry it for me.

So you can still vacate apartment 1, which you previously couldn't do. And you can still move into apartment 5, which you previously couldn't do. But if you want to move the stuff from apartment 1 to apartment 5, you will need to risk having it all on the hallway floor for someone to come by and take in the process, or you'll have to work with someone else to get the job done.

I have no problem with the idea of vacating 1 for 5. I LIKE the idea. I just don't think it should be a free ticket to moving loot. I'm saying this, as someone who has an apartment with valueables in it that I would hate to see stolen. I'm saying this, as someone who has not played a successful burglar (I played one, who lasted a week, before I ever got possession of a lockpick).

[Winterless]

That's my only concern with this idea.  I would prefer a 'rent cancel' where you simply lose the lease on the old apartment.  Period.  You want stuff moved out, unlock and open the door to the old apartment, THEN cancel your lease on the old apartment, rent a new apartment, move your stuff to the new one, and we're done.

Exactly.

[Synthesis]

If someone new rents the apartment, Nenyuk sells all of the things in the apartment themselves.  (i.e Dump it into a nenyuk-owned storage facility)

Ha, it would be really funny if House Nenyuk opened up a warehouse in each city where they sold all the loot left behind in their apartments for deep discounts

They wouldn't buy anything directly from PCs, but literally EVERYTHING that got left in an apartment would turn up in the warehouse, even spare beds, couches, and chests.  (I suppose you could add some code so that things like lockpicks, flash powder, magickal/metal weapons/armor/objects and spice [in Allanak] wouldn't turn up on the shelves.)

I guess some twinks could abuse it by buying back their old loot when their characters die...but...whatever.

[NoteworthyFellow]

If someone new rents the apartment, Nenyuk sells all of the things in the apartment themselves.  (i.e Dump it into a nenyuk-owned storage facility)

Ha, it would be really funny if House Nenyuk opened up a warehouse in each city where they sold all the loot left behind in their apartments for deep discounts

They wouldn't buy anything directly from PCs, but literally EVERYTHING that got left in an apartment would turn up in the warehouse, even spare beds, couches, and chests.  (I suppose you could add some code so that things like lockpicks, flash powder, magickal/metal weapons/armor/objects and spice [in Allanak] wouldn't turn up on the shelves.)

I guess some twinks could abuse it by buying back their old loot when their characters die...but...whatever.

I dunno, man. Some of the things I left in my last apartment probably wouldn't be legal to sell in either city. Or... even, own, for that matter.