Peeking and robbing stunned people

[God]

I've been playing a character with sap, and I've found that I can't look into stunned people's inventories, and I can steal what they are wearing, but the delay is often unbearable(because I don't have the skill). ICly this makes no sense... these people are down and out cold, I should be able to loot them and take everything.

Am I missing some command here?

On a sidenote, I think that the thug subclass should lose kick and get sneak... when you type sap it says, "You move silenty towards your victim." Implies that you must have some sneaking skills... they go hand in hand. Also, when people notice you walk into a room, it's hard to justify sneaking behind them and knocking them on the head.

[X-D]

Nah, I do not think a thug should get sneak, I ignore the coded messages myself, A thug is not a sneak thief, he is a thug, maybe in your face maybe waiting for you to not pay attention and walk around the corner he is standing at  the skillset for the subclass is perfect as is, even if the sap skills messages suck. It is easy enough IRL to 'sap' someone while they are watching you...matter of fact, do to a target persons normal reactions it often makes it easier.

[5 day lifespan]

Also, you dont necessarily need to hit someone from behind to sap them.  A sharp blow to the temple will floor alot of people.  You could just walk calmly right up to someone and WHAP! down they go.  I think it is bollocks that you cant see their inventory when theyre knocked out, as dead people drop their items, sapped people should do the same.

[darkone]

i agree. i think if someone is knocked unconscious, then you should be able to peek and loot from them freely, without the need for 'steal' or the delays caused by not having it.

[creeper386]

I've never tried peaking, but I do know stealing from an unconcious person is quite easy even without having the skill... And I've never had any problems with long delays or anything... Maybe your characters are just slow.

Creeper

[spawnloser]

I'm with Creeper...personally, the only 'steal' delay I've ever seen was the same whether I had the skill or not.  There's always a delay.

Maybe Creepery and I are just uber and the rest of y'all aren't?

[creeper386]

I'm more uber then you though.


Creeper not Creepery

[God]

I think creeper and spawnloser would be the exception, then, because I've had a delay on steal for what seemed like 5 minutes before, unless I was doing something wrong that time. I guess it depends on the person or something.

But still, we thugs need to be able to get at the inventories of our victims. It's not too profitable to play a thug right now. Any response from the imms on this?

[crymerci]

I think creeper and spawnloser would be the exception, then, because I've had a delay on steal for what seemed like 5 minutes before, unless I was doing something wrong that time. I guess it depends on the person or something.

But still, we thugs need to be able to get at the inventories of our victims. It's not too profitable to play a thug right now. Any response from the imms on this?

I too have had a long steal delay when playing a non-thief, but never tested it on an unconscious person.

As for thugs being unprofitable...bummer.  Not every class/subclass combination is profitable.  Or rather, any class/subclass combo can be profitable, with a little imagination.

[creeper386]

Being a thug is quite useful, may not be profitable but is quite useful. Several things you can do.

Use thug with a different class.

Kill you fictims.

Figure out rather or not myself and spawn_loser are lying. I SO swear I didn't have a long delay... It was longer then normal thief but not THAT long.

Deal with the delay. Long as it's short enough the person doesn't wake up, you're doing fine.

Creeper

[spawnloser]

I'm more uber then you though.


Creeper not Creepery

Yeah...that was a typo that I didn't catch until it was too late.

[Boggis]

I'd agree with God that you should be able to peek an unconscious person's inventory. Makes sense that you'd be able to have a good rifle through all their belongings. Killing somebody just so you can get their inventory is a bit much.

I'd like to see a reduced version of peek available for everybody when dealing with unconscious or sleeping people where instead of being a true peek where you can tell what somebody has just by looking at them this would be like rummaging through all their stuff to figure out what they have. If they're truly unconscious with no chance of waking then everybody should be able to peek away to their thieving hearts content to grab whatever they like without worry. If they're just plain asleep then I'd say that it should still be possible for anybody to have a gander at what the target has but the downside is that there's a fair chance that the target will wake up as your wandering hands go to work. I'd like to see something this implemented with the steal code too. It's a bit unrealistic that somebody can rob you until your left hanging there without a stitch on just because you decided to have a gentle snooze. There should be a chance that you wake when somebody is peeling off those leather pants that you've worn for years and the sun has practically turned into your second skin.

I wouldn't worry about the delay with the steal command either if you don't have the steal skill. Chances are if you've sapped somebody you're in a fairly out of the way spot or you've dragged them there so if they look like they're waking up just give them another taste of that overarm belter.

[Anonymous]

Cut their throat while they are unconcious? Take the stuff?

[Cuusardo]

Cut their throat while they are unconcious? Take the stuff?

Not every thief seeks to kill his/her victim.

Since when you kill them, you don't get to prey on their stupidity again.

[gfair]

A sharp blow to the temple will floor alot of people.

Actually, just about any blow to the Temple will concuss someone.  Even in boxing when they are wearing thickly-padded gloves, a lot of matches are won on a shot to the temple.  Boxers usually keep their fists up around their mouth, just below their eyes ideally, which exposes the temples and if you catch an opponent with a good shot to the temple, with soft, blunt gloves, you can stun the person enough that they will go down.

[Dracul]

A sharp blow to the temple will floor alot of people.

Actually, just about any blow to the Temple will concuss someone.  Even in boxing when they are wearing thickly-padded gloves, a lot of matches are won on a shot to the temple.  Boxers usually keep their fists up around their mouth, just below their eyes ideally, which exposes the temples and if you catch an opponent with a good shot to the temple, with soft, blunt gloves, you can stun the person enough that they will go down.

actually...boxers knock each other out by getting a good shot into the jaw, the force of the blow can go through your head, and causing your brain to bump around and smack your skull is what makes you drop. (sounds pretty rough...)
In boxing I can't think of any fights won by shots to the temple, with the distribution of foce from a boxing glove it is more the jarring motion, and trust me, getting hit full on can get you to see some black in your eyes.

those gloves can still hurt though...*nods*