Open pack: You feel too relaxed.

[Qzzrbl]

Why do I need to be standing up to open my pack? Or close it for that matter?

[FiveDisgruntledMonkeysWit]

You don't need to stand up. You just need to sit up. ('Sit' position, rather than 'rest').
It is pretty silly, though.

[Qzzrbl]

Silly indeed. It should be changed.

[RogueGunslinger]

This has always bugged me.

[Cutthroat]

I think this is a consequence of the old DIKU code base, which does not allow doors or containers to be opened by a resting character. I've seen other games with a DIKU base that had this "feature", but I could be wrong about it coming from the base.

It makes sense for doors, not so much for containers.

[Maybe42or54]

Unless you are laying on your backpack. If you are doing that, you should sit up, that way it reminds you that you are laying down with a backpack on.

[amish overlord]

Now that talking about subject seems odd to try to get anything from a backpack without removing it. Reaching over shoulder of whatever to get your access your pack.

Amish Overlord 

[Agent_137]

but it also won't let you open belt-packs or even something in your inventory.

[Armaddict]

I always just thought it was silly that 'rest' was used so much more than 'sit'.  I'd assumed, from this exact code and similar code, that 'rest' must mean laying down fully.  Which is not exactly common in most situations.

[Archbaron]

I always just thought it was silly that 'rest' was used so much more than 'sit'.  I'd assumed, from this exact code and similar code, that 'rest' must mean laying down fully.  Which is not exactly common in most situations.

I usually get confused between the two because I'll use the rest command and be propped up against a wall or something.

[RogueGunslinger]

After a sparring match, I'll use 'rest' for the coded benefit of quick recovery, while emoting that my character is leaning against a wall, crouching, whatever. Because honestly. You shouldn't be getting wounded during a sparring match, and not cut up so much to bleed.

[LittleLostThief]

I'm pretty sure that "rest" puts you in a position that you could easily sleep in, like laying down, but without the sleeping part.

And that "sit" was more appropriate for leaning on stuff or being casual.

[brytta.leofa]

After a sparring match, I'll use 'rest' for the coded benefit of quick recovery

I almost always sit. I'm hardcore.

[Mood]

>rest
You sit down and rest your tired bones.

[RogueGunslinger]

There's a typo in this thread title. 

[musashi]

>rest
You sit down and rest your tired bones.

She brings a very good point to bear 

[Mood]

>rest
You sit down and rest your tired bones.

She brings a very good point to bear 

...

[Tisiphone]

>rest
You sit down and rest your tired bones.

She brings a very good point to bear 

...

This has me grinning. I'm sorry, Mood, but it does.

[manonfire]

>rest
You sit down and rest your tired bones.

She brings a very good point to bear 

...

bwahahha.

[X-D]

Mood, can we see your  boobies?

[Mood]

 

[RogueGunslinger]

Lol.

[musashi]

Mood, can we see your  boobies?

[Tisiphone]

Mood, can we see your man-boobies?

Fixed.

[musashi]

Mood, can we see your man-boobies?

Fixed.

... ...  ... ...  ... ...

I still wanna see them.

[Armaddict]

Mmmkay.  So rest is no different than sit, except with more recovery, is what you're saying.

So then...my contribution to this thread...is fix the 'broken' rest message that bothers people, and otherwise keep commands the same.  Happy?

[fourTwenty]

I always viewed rest as a more laid back form of relaxation. Like, if your sitting your still alert, ready to spring to your feet at a moments notice. But if your relaxing maybe it should take you a little longer to clamber up.

I do think you should be able to open containers on your person while relaxing. Even if it automatically made you sit up to do it.

There's also another thread floating around about -resting- in shady areas and such and having a random chance of dozing off. Maybe something else to tweak on the infinite list of shit the player base wants tweaked.

[Rhyden]

I've always seen 'rest' as one step away from a sleeping position, without your eyes closed. If you had a pack, it would probably make a very good cushion to 'rest' back against. My solution is to sit your lazy ass up and open your pack, or quit resting in general. I see no need for change.

[Qzzrbl]

Still, I don't know about anyone else, but I've been laying back and half asleep and was still perfectly capable of opening a backpack without changing my position in any way.

[Armaddict]

Still, I don't know about anyone else, but I've been laying back and half asleep and was still perfectly capable of opening a backpack without changing my position in any way.

But while opening your backpack, you were shifting, moving, and essentially no longer 'at rest', even if you could instantly return to 'at rest' when it was finished.  *continues to argue pointlessly as devil's advocate*

[musashi]

I say just change the wording to: You settle down, and rest your tired bones.

Then we can all assume you're laying prone.

[Mood]

Cognitive dissonance sure is funny.

[Qzzrbl]

Still, I don't know about anyone else, but I've been laying back and half asleep and was still perfectly capable of opening a backpack without changing my position in any way.

But while opening your backpack, you were shifting, moving, and essentially no longer 'at rest', even if you could instantly return to 'at rest' when it was finished.  *continues to argue pointlessly as devil's advocate*

Try this one day. Go lay down on your bed, and put a backpack on your belly..... Then open it. And as for most Zalanthans laying ontop of their pack, I don't really see this happening. I just don't see most Zalanthan backpacks being all that comfortable to lay on. Because most backpacks I've noticed are full of salt. Or mined obsidian. Or knives. Or live gurths. 

[Qzzrbl]

Cognitive dissonance sure is funny.

And so was your being mistaken for a woman. 

::EDIT:: Fixed.

[RogueGunslinger]

Cognitive dissonance sure is funny.

And so is you being mistaken for a woman. 

No. That was funny, but no longer is.

[Greve]

.

[fourTwenty]

I like to rest my "tired" bones.

They're achy to.

[spawnloser]

I'm with Armaddict.  Resting is a position between sitting and sleeping.  Resting is NOT sitting.  If you want to be able to root around in your backpack, sit up like a real person would.  Just change the echo (as has already been mentioned) so that it doesn't say 'sit down' when the rest command is used.  Campaigning for a change in what the code allows would be ridiculous, but fixing what I consider a typo would not be.  Stop being lazy as a player.  Type a three-letter command before going through your pack, and then a four-letter command afterwards.  If you have a problem with the echo, campaign to get that changed as suggested.  My suggestion for a change is:  "You lie down and rest."

[Qzzrbl]

If you want to be able to root around in your backpack, sit up like a real person would. 

That's the thing. I, as a real person, am perfectly capable of laying on my back and unzipping a backpack laying beside me, or on my chest, without shifting my position in any real way. Without sitting up. Am I the only person here who can perform this amazing feat of acrobatics? 

If the backback is actually being worn on the back, then I can understand the need for sitting up. Otherwise, I just can't wrap my little brain around it.

[Shiroi Tsuki]

I can sure unzip a pocket while laying down.  Get something out of my backpack worn on my back?  Maybe not.

But if I have a drawstring bag in my hands, and I'm lying down... there's no reason why I can't operate the drawstring and get something out of my bag.  Worn things, maybe not.  But things in inventory, you should be able to open whenever.

[psionic fungus]

Here's the issue I have:  IRL it is -not- difficult to open and close containers while you are resting.

Seriously, it just isn't.  Try laying on the couch and opening an backpack in your inventory (in your arms, or sitting beside the couch).  Simple, wasn't it?

It is, however, difficult to impossible to rummage within a container worn on your back while it is being worn -and- you are resting.  This, however, is perfectly possible with the code.  Not only can you do it, but you can do it with unfailing accuracy and speed.  Travel cake in the bottom of your hiking pack, buried under clothing and six hides, NO PROBLEM!

Perhaps the code should be changed so that opening and closing items is not so difficult when resting, but accessing contents has a significant delay?  Perhaps objects worn on your back should be entirely inaccessible (when resting or just all the time)?

[Mood]

Resting is NOT sitting.

>sit
You SIT DOWN and rest your tired bones.

The code says... you're wrong!

[Agent_137]

this thread has gotten really f'ing stupid.

[Mood]

this thread has gotten really f'ing stupid.

Hi, welcome to the internet.

You must be new here.

[musashi]

Can we see your man boobies Mood?

[BlackMagic0]

!

[Mood]

Can we see your man boobies Mood?

[musashi]

Damn.

[Qzzrbl]

LOL
Why do all of my threads degenerate into this. v~v

[Shiroi Tsuki]

Blame Mood.  I do.

[Redheart]

Silly indeed. It should be changed.

[fourTwenty]

Ugh, Mood. I get it dude. I get the point. But, ugh, that picture is fucking disturbing.

If it helps, I've known you where a dude for a long time.

[Shoka Windrunner]

Actually I was checking Rest out.

If your standing it says:

You sit down, and rest your tired bones.

-BUT- if your already sitting...it says:

You rest your tired bones.

Which I take to mean you sit down, then you lie back and rest your tired bones.

So actually from that I take it to mean you lay back, maybe just on his elbows or something but your laying back from what I can tell from the code.

Take from that tidbit, what you will.

[Maso]

What it doesn't say is:

You lie back and rest your tired bones.

Or

You lean back and rest your tired bones.

Or

You lean back on your elbows and rest your tired bones.

Or

You sit down, then lie back and rest your tired bones.

My opinion on resting is that it can be interpreted however the player wants to interpret it. Resting can be done in a lot of ways. But I generally see it being possible in numerous different positions, so long as the person is relaxing their body. For example: You've just done a long run, bending over with your hands on your knees would be rest, leaning against a wall stood up woud be rest and help you recuperate. Sitting down and leaning against a wall would be rest. Sitting down and flopping forward would be rest. Lying back on your elbows would be rest. Curling up on a bed would be rest.

Why do we have to be so anal and try and dictate to players how -their- characters should rest? Take out the 'You sit down' part of the echo, slam in some command emotes and make packs openable. Let people rest however they see fit.

Edit:

Is that a dead horse...or a donkey...or a Mood?

[RogueGunslinger]

Llama. Or maybe an Alpaca.

[fourTwenty]

Horse, As in beating a dead one.

Right, what do I win?

[Qzzrbl]

Horse, As in beating a dead one.

Right, what do I win?

Another gruesome picture of you're gonna get antsy about it.

[Mood]

Actually I was checking Rest out.

If your standing it says:

You sit down, and rest your tired bones.

-BUT- if your already sitting...it says:

You rest your tired bones.

Which I take to mean you sit down, then you lie back and rest your tired bones.

So actually from that I take it to mean you lay back, maybe just on his elbows or something but your laying back from what I can tell from the code.

Take from that tidbit, what you will.

Cognitive dissonance sure is funny.

FWIW, I agree with Maso.

[Dalmeth]

Why do we have to be so anal and try and dictate to players how -their- characters should rest?

Answer :

Resting can be done in a lot of ways.

The truth is, resting as it stands or literally doesn't is a little too vague.  I'd certainly be open for allowing folks to open items in their inventory, but I'd restrict it there.  Resting should remain a position of incapacitation.

[Maso]

Why do we have to be so anal and try and dictate to players how -their- characters should rest?

Answer :

Resting can be done in a lot of ways.

The truth is, resting as it stands or literally doesn't is a little too vague.  I'd certainly be open for allowing folks to open items in their inventory, but I'd restrict it there.  Resting should remain a position of incapacitation.

Absolutely. You shouldn't be able to craft and rest (maybe very basic things with a severe penalty, a starving, dying ranger may try to make a travel cake while half passed out in a cave with a gauge in his leg, but he should really struggle), you shouldn't be able to fight and rest, pick locks and rest or anything else taxing for that matter. The whole point is you are *resting*. But eating, drinking, talking, holding, reading, opening your bag etc - aka non physically straining tasks should be possible.

All I was really saying was: I don't want to be dictated to how my character is positioned when resting, I'm quite happy to accept that they are supposed to be resting. So saying that no - you shouldn't be able to open a pack because when resting you are lying down (because that's how I just imagine it to be for everyone always) just seems silly to me.

I imagine that it's possible that not being able to open a pack when resting is not something that the staff has made a conscious decision about but rather that something that is dictated by old code and is too difficult to change with the current architecture of the code. But we won't know that for sure unless a staff comments or it changes in Arm 2.0.