It's Sunday

[Mood]

The last time I was in a clan, and I shit you not, I got fired on the spot for absolutely nothing. There are no IC details because it was just a whim. Someone got too excited and decided to lash out at me.

Could it be that, just maybe, there were in-character motivations there that you weren't privy to?

[Fathi]

I mean it was really just abuse. I'm pretty sure a Storyteller was there too and again, the apathetic storyteller paid no attention to how badly the whole situation was roleplayed.

While refraining from comment on the IC events in question, I would like to point something out: this is just my opinion, but I honestly don't believe it's a Storyteller's job to step in and play RP police in a situation like that. One of the things I like the most about Arma versus other games I've played is the fact that staff lets players "do their own thing."

If you believe someone's RP was completely out of line, contradictory to the documentation, or abusive on an OOC level, you can always file a player complaint. I've had several positive experiences when it comes to discussing player complaints with the staff, and they have access to information that us players don't that often sheds light on the situation at hand.

I would find it very jarring and I'd be rather ticked off if, in the middle of a scene, a Storyteller popped up, stopped the clocks, and gave us all a lecture on how we were roleplaying wrong. So in this case, I'd say the staffers in question who may or may not have been watching were perfectly justified in not stepping in to correct someone else's behaviour. If the staff sees something particularly awful or inconsistent about my roleplay, I trust that they'll email me or let me know in some other way rather than disrupting the flow of a scene.

[Malken]

When all else fails, believe in Sanvean.

[FiveDisgruntledMonkeysWit]

veryalien wrote:

This is a game for staff, their friends, and family.

This is, quite simply, not true. I'm living proof.
I've never been to an APM (Armageddon Player's Meeting). I've never knowingly spoken with a staff member about anything not directly relating to Armageddon. I don't even know their real names. I am, decidedly, an outsider here. If I passed a staff member or even another player on the street, we wouldn't recognize each other.
And yet I have six karma. I've obtained leadership positions in clans. I've had numerous special applications accepted. I even worked on staff briefly (and, still, did not become buddies with any of them). My relations with the staff have been nothing but prompt and respectful. Certainly not "corrupt". And, no, I didn't always get what I wanted, and when I was turned down for a role or denied information, I was given several good reasons why.
It sounds like maybe you were just a bit impatient, veryalien. The main difference between you and I, I think, is that I've been playing here for about six or seven years. I didn't receive my first account note until I'd played for about a year straight with a fairly long-lived character. You have get noticed first, and that takes time.
Sure, it's not a perfect system. Some bad players go unnoticed (for a time), and some good players slip through the cracks. But this isn't because the system is 'corrupt', it isn't because the staff are handing steel longswords to their girlfriends behind closed doors. It's simply that the staff are volunteers. And, you know, human.

[veryalien]

Well I know for a fact that that player is sitll in game, he's still abusing people, and a couple of players log off when he's on in fear that he'll just kick them out again.

It took me two weeks to get my EMPTY account notes, you think a player complaint would have worked. Hey, maybe you know someone. I don't. When I tried to wish up to get an NPC to animate no one replied. Two minutes later, someone walks up, OOCs that they're wishing for animation and KEBANG the NPC gets animated. Do you really think at this stage I'm going to file complaints? Would you?

Look folks. It's one of two things. Either the staff isn't doing it's job well or they they just help out friends and people they know ignoring everyone else.

I had one staffer animate only to send me directly into an NPC that almost killed me. That's when I asked for storage and just quit this game.

Two weeks to get empty account notes folks. I'm happy to hear an explanation of that one but I don't think there is a good one.

EDIT: Agree on the volunteer part btw. And do thank them for their time but the quality just wasn't there. There's too many things that are broken, and responses take such an extremely long amount of time (2 WEEKS FOR EMPTY ACCOUNT NOTES PLEASE SOMEONE EXPLAIN HOW THAT HAPPENED).

[Barzalene]

Maybe I should open another thread. About voting. On RPI mud. For players who don't hate us.

[Yam]

I don't really know of anyone who has received account notes after two weeks of play.

I have two or three. Only one of them semi-pertains to actions in the game. The rest are simply notifications from one staff member to another about special things.

And I've been playing for much longer than you have.

You're angry now. Cool off. Come back. Look at the situation again.

[veryalien]

I never came here to bad mouth the game. I got messaged by Yam and came here to see you guys discussing my review. I'm taking the time to respond to it.

Feel free to open fifty threads as long as I'm not involved in it I won't reply.

EDIT:

I have been playing for a while now. Maybe over two months total. I put in a request for account notes TWO WEEKS AGO. I got an empty reply back with just my characters listed. The request took that long to process: Capache?


EDIT2: And Yam don't ask me to go away after you message me to come see this thread. Really man, have a little class at least.

[FiveDisgruntledMonkeysWit]

It sounds like maybe you were just a bit impatient, veryalien.

Two months ("total") is really not very long at all. Most people don't have account notes, good or bad, after only two months. If it'd been six months, maybe you would've had a case. Notice that you can only request account notes once every six months. Ever wonder why that is? Probably because you're unlikely to get a new note ever month, or every two months, or every three months.
Two weeks is a little long for an account note request. What probably happened was that it got a little lost in the clutter, and was therefore late. You would have been totally within your right to send a short, polite e-mail to the Mud after the first week, reminding them about your request. But you didn't. So it took them another week to catch the mistake.

[veryalien]

trying one more time because i think you're just not reading right or by some subconscious effort you want to argue with me:

(1) I submit a request for account notes. Really on a whim.
(2) I wait 1 week. Staffer takes 1 week to pull it up.
(3) Staffer takes 1 week to edit it.
(4) I'm thinking cool, so they had to edit a bunch of stuff.
(5) I get a list of characters and no notes.

This tells me there's only one possible explanation. The staffer took a whole week to change his bong water before realizing the notes are empty and didn't need editing. The entire request could have been fulfilled on the spot because there are no account notes.

How's your deductive logic working today?

[Nyr]

Doing well for two months is well and good, but it is a short period of time even so.  Notes are given on an account over time.  It is unrealistic to expect a lot (or anything) out of a relatively short period of time.  No account notes are better than bad account notes.  Even so, a Highlord or higher has to go into your notes and remove anything specifically that you shouldn't know about.  They can't know there's nothing there unless they go in and look at it while they're sitting there doing requests that only they can do.  (By the way, your request for notes did not take 2 weeks to be resolved: it was submitted only 6 days ago.  At the most, it took 6 days.) 

This also doesn't account for the many other requests submitted.

Staffers have to go through bug reports and review whether or not the situation was in fact a bug.  In some of your submitted cases (I took the time to look at them the last time you brought this up) these were not bugs.  Either the bug could not be duplicated or it was a feature instead.

As for your concerns about there being no IC motivation for your PC to get fired from whatever job your PC had, please rest assured that the entire situation was IC.

I'm sorry that you feel the way that you do and if you have any specific complaints, please submit them through the request tool.

[Belenos]

I am locking this thread.  It is very mean spirited and as such it will not be allowed.

That being said, this is not about someone's opinion of the game, it is how you go about stating said opinion.

This is a game for staff, their friends, and family. Everyone else queues up with the request tool and hope and prays they can play a role that doesn't involve snoozing in taverns all day. I've seen players suicide their characters out of boredom from sitting in taverns all day. One guy at least had the courtesy to roleplay it. I've seen players act completely oblivious to this even though they were friends to the character.

This is a very disingenuous statement, and smacks heavily of sour grapes.  I'm always suspicious of people's motives when they spew statements that have no basis in fact, and seek to demean character and integrity as the main thrust of the argument.  Many people have friends and family playing, players and staff, go figure.

Here is a bit of unsolicited advice, if you don't like playing, then don't play.  The game is free, free to play, free to move on if you don't like it.  No one is twisting your arm to stay.