Cross-racial Sex

[Fnord]

We can probably agree that same-race sex amongst similar social castes is accceptable.

What is the general consensus about cross-race sex?

Human/elf. I've observed this is common in game. How would it be perceived socially?

Human/half-elf or elf/half-elf? Equally as common in game. How would it be perceived socially?

Now about dwarves. Generally I see very little in the way of sweet dwarf lovin. Is the idea of a dwarf having sex with a human or elf socially unacceptable? Is it gross to players? The reason I ask is because of a certain house's penchant for dwarven strippers of both genders. Intended only for dwarven clientel, or?

Half-giants... I'm guessing they're only sexually compatible with each other.

I was thinking about this and am hoping to understand both what is perceived socially in game, and how people feel OOC about it, and how the two may differ.

Have at it.

[Only He Stands There]

Pretty much anything outside one's own species is considered perverse and blasphemous by people of every other race. Humans and elves alike would sneer at a human and elf having sex, and pretty much everyone would sneer at a breed gettin' it on.

Dwarves, now, I dunno. Some guys like their women hairless. <rimshot>

[Eternal]

Well, a few answers can be gleaned from the docs...

Roleplaying: Accepted by neither humans nor elves, half-elves tend to be extremely self-reliant, and they pride themselves on this trait.  In many ways, half-elves are on a continual journey to establish their personal identity.

As a bastard offspring of conflicting cultures, it is extremely difficult if not impossible for a half-elf to be accepted anywhere. Humans see a half-elf as a product of the untrustworthy filth that is an elf, and elves see half-elves as weak and tribeless; and half-elves have no culture of their own.

To make things worse, most half-elves have little or no support from their parents. They are typically the result of violence - whether it be rape, or prejudice upon those that care for them. All of this, combined with a genetic predisposition, makes half-elves desperately strive for acceptance and identity - particularly from humans and elves.

http://www.armageddon.org/rp/racial/index.html

Humans and dwarves make muls, and I believe the hows and whys are IC info, so that's all I can really say there.  Humans are very racially aware, and even the dirtiest, most dispicable human is more easily accepted than an elf or dwarf in society.

[jstorrie]

I think most would be leery of sexing up as a dwarf/human pair in the worrying case of someone getting knocked up with a mul, which would cause some uncomfortable explodingness.

[Rindan]

Humans/elves/halfelves can all merrily have sex.  While cross race sex is considered a little deviant, I doubt anyone will bust your chops too much for having sex with a cheap elven hooker if that is all you can afford.  I think it holds roughly the same stigma as if a black and white person had sex in the deep south after abolition but before the civil rights movement.  You would be looked down on and perhaps harassed, but it (probably) won't form an instant lynch mob.  That said, you still would want to keep it on the down and low.  If you pay for the sex, it is probably viewed as less deviant.

Having sex outside of human/elves/halfelves triangle considered to be far more deviant and viewed something more like bestiality.  Your elven buddies might bust on you for going after round eared women a little, but they are going to think you are a freak if you go after dwarves.

[Angela Christine]

Sex bad.


I think the strippers are both for the members of that race, and as a novelty act for other races.  Just because you'd never want to have sex with a <race> doesn't mean you aren't curious.  

It's like if you are walking along and you see two squirrels going at it.  You don't want to join in, but it is hard to look away, right?  OK, maybe that is just me.



It would make sense for there to be racially segregated clubs, if our player base was about twenty times bigger.  As it is, only the human clubs would have a good number of PCs in them at any time, so what would be the point?  Since the PC population can only support a few taverns at a time, they have to be multiracial taverns.  And, really, wouldn't you be curious?  You probably don't want to have sex with a half-giant (dwarf, human, etc.) but wouldn't you want to look?  You can also appreciate the entertainment value of the performance without being turned on.  Hardly anyone is hot for mimes or jugglers, but people can still enjoy watching them do their thing.

[Cuusardo]

Most people, with the exception of a few who have secret perversions or are extremely lonely, would be either turned off or downright repulsed by the thought of sex with someone (something) outside his or her race.

[Rhapsody of Zalanthas]

Humans/elves/halfelves can all merrily have sex.  While cross race sex is considered a little deviant, I doubt anyone will bust your chops too much for having sex with a cheap elven hooker if that is all you can afford.  I think it holds roughly the same stigma as if a black and white person had sex in the deep south after abolition but before the civil rights movement.  You would be looked down on and perhaps harassed, but it (probably) won't form an instant lynch mob.  That said, you still would want to keep it on the down and low.  If you pay for the sex, it is probably viewed as less deviant.

Having sex outside of human/elves/halfelves triangle considered to be far more deviant and viewed something more like bestiality.  Your elven buddies might bust on you for going after round eared women a little, but they are going to think you are a freak if you go after dwarves.

I think you have your american history abit off there, and elves are actually looked down more by humans than dwarves.

Lynching wasn't uncommon to hear of in the NORTH, even up to the civil rights movement. In Michigan, the racial line being crossed by a black caused a shoot-out and the premise for the Ossian Sweet case which I'm sure you law people know of. In those terms, human/elf sex comes just abit close. Human/dwarf isn't despised as human/elf is, but it is looked as more of being wierded out. After all, it is human females who are the mothers of muls, and in the view of commoners (likely true as well) the mother with die giving birth to the mul. Why would humans want to even be reminded of that when having sex?

The typical rule, in any case, is stay within your racial group with sexual relationships. Wandering away from that causes scorn and an alienation of your peers, ranging in intensity depending on which race you are tied with.

[jstorrie]

Human/half-elf has been seen, in my Arm experience, to just be really scuzzy. Notable nobles have certainly had half-elven playthings.

[Fnord]

The impression that I'm getting is that much of the cross-racial sexual relations that go on are for OOC desires for teh sex0r. Or maybe lack of suitable race player base? True or false?

[Marauder Moe]

The impression that I'm getting is that much of the cross-racial sexual relations that go on are for OOC desires for teh sex0r. Or maybe lack of suitable race player base? True or false?

I'd say false.  If anything, PCs player out inter-special sex less frequently than would happen in the world.  I mean, think of all the half-elves out there...

[WarriorPoet]

I've always found people to be too casual with cross-race relationships. Like the elf, walking into a different tavern, with a different human, every day, arm draped lovingly over the shoulders.

Now, if each of these partners had went through the process of inner-turmoil and decision over fucking that elf, and what's more, over letting EVERYONE know it, I wouldn't mind at all. But it seemed to me that the more likely story was people were going with what was convenient, as the elven sex0r was most likely a solid roleplayer, played the exotic race, and was down to screw. It's all good, then, but it shouldn't be.

Think of the South in the 1930's or so. What would have happened if a black man had suddenly swaggered into the local dive with a blonde on his arm? Now. Hold that thought, and instead of just a black guy, make it a horse, and keep the racially-motivated hatred, only multiplied a few thousand times. That should be were open race-on-race relations should be, in Zalanthas.

-WP thinks that whores are a different beast, but openly strutting about, proud as punch, with a different race on your arm should get you spit at and jeered, if not mobbed and strung up.

[Flaming Ocotillo]

To help with perspective when thinking about cross-racial sex, there's a difference between a human or elf or dwarf having sex with a human prostitute, and a human or elf or dwarf having a romantic relationship with a human for all to see.

Paying for sex with a cross-racial prostitute is kind of like paying for a ticket for a show, which is over and done with after it's finished. A relationship where an elf and human are openly in love and expressing being close to each other in public, that's going to be looked at far differently.

So when you consider cross-racial sex as a point of discussion, bringing up humans lounging with half-elf girlfriends is a different debate than whether or not a human would be frowned upon by his mercenary company if he paid to have sex with a half-elf.

[God]

I agree with FO.

[amish overlord]

This is an intresting idea.

Humans can and do mate with elves, sometimes willingly. Can produce outcast kids. PArents could be ostracized from group either male or female.

Humans and dwarves, never mate unlessed forced, in which case to make a mul. Mom dies in the process usually. So even if two fell in love would they want to kill their lover in such away

Dwarves and elves I am unsure. Certain they can, but doubt can reproduce and if can probably sterile like a mul. Would they want to? Not so sure.

Humans and half-giant Half ton man + 200 or less woman = one dead woman and one traumatized giant. Female giant and human,  doubt the HG would enjoy herself.

Muls and everyone. They are used as pleasure slaves, mostly by rich. Doubtful elves.
Humans more likely and maybe dwarves. Any relations will mostly be other slaves and authorized by masters, unless escape.

Mantis and halflings, maybe eat their mate. They consider most non of their race food. Its theoretically possible for halfling and other races. (HG and halfling image = stain). And mantis...eww

Gith hostile to most, not always, in files said some gith work with other tribes, rarely. So theoretically could.

Just my thoughts.

Amish Overlord  

[Sephiroto]

What about a halfling and a human?  Do you get a three-quarterling?

Or even worse. . .  What about a halfing and a half-elf?  That's all sorts of messed up, eh?

[Fathi]

What about a halfling and a human?  Do you get a three-quarterling?

Or even worse. . .  What about a halfing and a half-elf?  That's all sorts of messed up, eh?

Whatever it looked like, it would be pointy.

[LiquidShell]

It's fucking hot, I want to see more Mul on kank action, we need a red light district in Allanak!

[SpyGuy]

I say it depends if we're talking sex or a relationship.  Those lines often get blurred by PC relationships because it's hard to have wanton mudsex with the 50 people in your city/playtime.  I could see Amos the human Bynner's penchant for screwing elven whores to seem a little kinky but just his thing by all but the serious elf haters.  If he took that same elf as a lifelong partner than I could see his troopmates outright scorning him, even the people who don't have blatant racial bias.

I can see pretty much the same happening with the other available races.  Though since many halfelves successfully can hide their heritage they probably sneak under the radar in many cases, especially in poorer communities where a few elven features (or human features as the case may be) might be the norm.

[Fathi]

I say it depends if we're talking sex or a relationship.  Those lines often get blurred by PC relationships because it's hard to have wanton mudsex with the 50 people in your city/playtime.

Somebody's obviously never seen Amos Does Allanak.




But in all seriousness, it's also a matter of class. Most commoners can order an elvish hooker because hey, whores are whores, but if you have the same character try to order said elvish hooker in a birthday cake when he's a personal aide to a high-profile noble or templar, it wouldn't be as acceptable, even if it was just ordering whores and not any sort of relationship.

People expect hunters/mercenaries/grebbers/miners to be more 'deviant' to a certain degree. Of course this isn't always the case, but in the event that your mining buddy gets caught ordering a 16-year-old half-elven boy for the night, people aren't going to be particularly shocked. After all, people sell elf and breed slaves along with human ones, so it's accepted that people who can't afford a nice human pleasure toy can get a 'lower-quality' one for less.

[Maso]

It's fucking hot, I want to see more Mul on kank action, we need a red light district in Allanak!

The whole of Allanak is a red light district.  :shock: