How many archers have you seen since...

[cownosecat]

Good point about crossbows.  I wonder if they are coded the same simply because they fall under the same class of weapon.  Let's hope not.

Ideally, it would cost stamina to LOAD a crossbow that is too strong for you.  But once it's loaded pulling the trigger shouldn't cost anything.

Well, a crossbow with a crank takes a LOT less strength to load then a bow.  The crank does all the work for you, it would drain you only if you where cranking that thing all day.

Now, there are crossbows without cranks, and those would require alot of strength to load.  I assume these crossbows don't have any metal parts, so I wonder if cranks can be made out of other materials and be strong enought to load the bolt?  I bet they can, but I don't know.

[Hot_Dancer]

I have to assume you're talking about pvp, because at last check, mobs were still dumb.

If you're griping that the d.elves can no longer pkill with as much impunity in a scenerio that had them effectively untouchable, I don't think I can come up with a retort that carries enough punch.

Maybe you should spec to beastmaster?

Where the fuck did you come up with this? You should quote someone else.

Hot_Dancer

[Lazloth]

Sorry if I misread your intent:  I read your post as "[with this change] elves can't kite as effectively."  In glancing over it again, it may be more of a general stamina gripe; because my experience with elves is rarely with a hunter archetype, I'll refrain from further opinion.

[Forty Winks]

I've had very little to no problems with the archery implementation as a d-elf...but then again, I liked using the sling with that particular one.  :lol:

Oh, forgot about the original purpose of the thread. I havn't noticed much decline at all in the number of archers, but then again, alot depends on where and the experience of the PCs you run across.

[Majikal]

Being a d-elf myself at the moment.. the stam drain from archery doesn't bother a bit. I can see how it might mess with a dwarf on foot, but even then anyone not d-elf who uses a bow should have a mount anyway. With I'd say above average skill than most archers the stam drain is so minimal it could only make a big difference if my tactic was:
pull quiver
shoot tard n
pull quiver
shoot tard n
pull quiver
shoot tard n
pull quiver
shoot tard n
pull quiver
shoot tard n

I tend to only fire 3-4 arrows.. even if those shots costed 5 stamina a piece then 20 stamina isn't really that big a deal. It doesn't cost alot of stamina unless you're using a bow alot stronger than you need, if the bows pull is right for you then you really shouldn't be seeing more than a 4stam drop with low skill. Get a bow that's too strong and yea, it'll make you tired with a quickness. If the stamina drain you think is still hurting you too bad then get a bow that is too weak and expect a smaller drop of stamina with each shot.

[Socko]

I barely notice the stamina drain.