Idea

[Packersfan]

What if instead of actions such as 'put axe pack' we could substitute emotes for them? For example you type in something along the lines of " put axe pack emote=  slips ~axe into her large backpack."

It would appear as: The rat-faced girl slips a long-hafted axe into her large backpack; the axe of course would be in the pack code-wise. Maybe this isn't feasable, I don't know.

[Maybe42or54]

Sounds too abuseable to me right off the bat. Unless you meant that only "put could do it" then I'd guess it would be fine.

If Get has the ability too, then it is a bad idea.

[Packersfan]

Definatly put, maybe even give.

[joyofdiscord]

Much like give, we'd just need a () modifier.  Replacing the code echo entirely seems unwise, and it looks like a clunky syntax anyway.

[Morgenes]

as written this won't happen, however eventually put and give will be given command emotes.

> put axe pack (slipping it over her shoulder)

Slipping it over her shoulder, the packersfan puts a hand axe into her large backpack.

[bloodfromstone]

Three cheers for more () style emotes.

[rishenko]

as written this won't happen, however eventually put and give will be given command emotes.

> put axe pack (slipping it over her shoulder)

Slipping it over her shoulder, the packersfan puts a hand axe into her large backpack.

So far I have been loving the give command emotes.  I can't wait to get one for put.

[Jherlen]

Put, drop, and get would be awesome.

And make give work for giving away coins, too!

[Maybe42or54]

Drop                                                            (Equipment)

  This command will cause your character to drop the named item on the
ground. The object must be in your inventory at the time. Dropping money
takes the form of "drop <number of coins> coins" or "drop <number of coins>
obsidian".
  You can specify a temporary ldesc for the object much like the change
ldesc command (q.v.).  If you want the short description to appear
anywhere in the long description, or just want to get rid of the 'is here'
that the default automatically adds, put a '~' where you want the short
description to go.

Syntax:
  drop <object>
  drop <object> <ldesc>

Examples:
  > drop sword
  > drop 200 coins
  > drop sword buried to the hilt in the sand.
  > drop head Flies buzzing around it, ~ is stuck on a stake here.
See also:
  get, put, syntax, take

[Delirium]

Put, drop, and get would be awesome.

And make give work for giving away coins, too!

It does.

>give 400 coins man (tossing over a pouch)

would result in:

Tossing over a pouch, The Jherlen gives some coins to The Man.

[Yokunama]

as written this won't happen, however eventually put and give will be given command emotes.

> put axe pack (slipping it over her shoulder)

Slipping it over her shoulder, the packersfan puts a hand axe into her large backpack.

I thought put and give already have emotes. Drink has one also.

[spawnloser]

Put and get do not.  Give does.  Drop has something else, instead.

[HaiWolfe]

Put, drop, and get would be awesome.

And make give work for giving away coins, too!

It does.

>give 400 coins man (tossing over a pouch)

would result in:

Tossing over a pouch, The Jherlen gives some coins to The Man.

It works, but the resulting echo is kind of wonky. Like the last time I tried it, it was:

>give 400 coins man (tossing over a pouch)

Tossing over a pouch, you give 400 coins to The Man.

Maybe it's been fixed since then, I dunno.

[Jherlen]

Oh, cool.

I'd been trying...

give (tossing over a pouch) 400 coins man.

Silly me.

[Morgenes]

I'm not getting that.  If someone can prove it, send a log of what commands you did and what the output was to morgenes@ginka.armageddon.org.

[Morgenes]

Oh, cool.

I'd been trying...

give (tossing over a pouch) 400 coins man.

Silly me.

Either will work, I just did:

> give (tossing over a pouch) 400 coins man

Tossing over a pouch, you give a man 400 coins.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

Tossing over a pouch, the grey man gives some coins to the red man.

That's an odd echo. What if you were to change the room echo to 'money pouch' or 'little sack' or 'big sack' instead of 'coins'?

[Morgenes]

because there is no pouch, he handed coins, honestly the (slipping a pouch across the table) type emote is an abuse of the emote code.  Find/craft/buy a pouch and put the coins in it, if that's the way you want to hand the coins over.

[amoeba]

because there is no pouch, he handed coins, honestly the (slipping a pouch across the table) type emote is an abuse of the emote code.  Find/craft/buy a pouch and put the coins in it, if that's the way you want to hand the coins over.

Um, every sergeant has handed my pay over that way.

[LauraMars]

because there is no pouch, he handed coins, honestly the (slipping a pouch across the table) type emote is an abuse of the emote code.  Find/craft/buy a pouch and put the coins in it, if that's the way you want to hand the coins over.

I almost always get money in a "pouch".  Templars give me money this way. Nobles do. Rinth rats do, (and where do they get a pouch, I wonder) and my peers do as well.  So I do it too.  And now I find that this is bad!

[Maybe42or54]

Nenyuk hands them out? That was always my impression. They aren't worth anything and when people make them.. they must be stupid to waste their time?

[bloodfromstone]

I see nothing abusive about emoting a pouch of coins. I have seen people emote putting a sword in their pack as wrapping it up in a bind of leather on one side of the backpack. They didn't have a scrap of leather in their inventory, and their backpack said nothing about anything like this in its description. I have emoted pitching a rock from the rubbly ground of the 'rinth at someone on more than one occasion, but I didn't spam-forage for rocks until I found one. People have emoted jarring the mugs on a bartop with a slam of their fist, but they didn't buy a bunch of mugs and line them up along the bar.

emote tosses ~you a pouch of coins. is not abusive in any shape or form that I can see. It makes the enviroment a little more real, paints the scene, and changes game mechanics of giving someone 8000 coins into something that we can visualize. I thought that was exactly what the emote command was for.

emote A short and thick male wearing a sandcloth face wrap steps up behind @ and folds his arms threateningly.
emote draws a steel sword.
emote starts casting.
Etc.
That is what I see as abuse to the emote code. Honestly, there's only so many little bags in one city and most of them key to the same stuff. I'd much rather see a small, harmless emote than someone getting 8 pouches out of their pack and digging through each of them until they find the right one and hand it over.

[marko]

because there is no pouch, he handed coins, honestly the (slipping a pouch across the table) type emote is an abuse of the emote code.  Find/craft/buy a pouch and put the coins in it, if that's the way you want to hand the coins over.

I believe this use of virtual purses for coins has been used for a long while and by all sorts of players and imms alike.  I was not aware it could be considered abuse of the emote code.  

I've had all sorts of npcs use this exact method of a virtual purse for passing coins over.  I've seen it everywhere.  I've begun using it myself.  I find it makes things a little easier to play and makes a little more sense.

If it is abuse - I guess I'll stop the practice.

[Packersfan]

because there is no pouch, he handed coins, honestly the (slipping a pouch across the table) type emote is an abuse of the emote code.  Find/craft/buy a pouch and put the coins in it, if that's the way you want to hand the coins over.

I disagree as well with this statement. I think it is more than fair to virtually assume you have a small pouch to put coins in.

[Morgenes]

Ok, since you guys are apparently very sensitive about this, it's something that has happened in the past, and likely will continue to happen.  We aren't going to dock your karma for doing this, as it is a minor thing.

If you guys are looking for a way to stimulate the economy, perhaps you could find a small pouch or two, and try actually using them to give money.  But I don't expect you to actually do it.

Sorry to ruffle your tail feathers.

[Maybe42or54]

If they were made more available.. I would use them, but since I have to track down the one moving Pc in either city to buy them, I'd rather just RP it out and save up for mul mix.

[Morgenes]

I'll see what I can make happen.

[spawnloser]

In my experience, there are pouches readily available in large quantities in every major starting locale.

[LauraMars]

I love how as my character continues on their merry way, I accumulate more and more container items, that are also empty.  Maybe you could use "a plain bag" and just pretend it's sized like a small pouch.

[Lazloth]

In my experience, there are pouches readily available in large quantities in every major starting locale.

What about skewers for people cooking?  Punk-sticks to light pipes with?  A makeshift harness on a kank?

People like props.

Personally, I've used purses when available, and virtual ones when not.

[Rindan]

Personally, I think that minor props are fine.  Every single character I have ever had has always had a rag with them.  They use the rag to clean off their sword, wipe their face, wrap up bloody meat, wrap up travel cakes together, and everything else under the sun.  Could I go get a dozen rags and stuff them in my pack?  Sure, but I think it would be far more distracting to spam getting a rag from my pack, emote wrapping up some meat, then put the rag and the meat pack in my pack... for what?  It isn't like anyone is going to steal my rag.  Nor is it unreasonable ot assume that my character has a few rags on their persona.

Some props are just more of a pain in the ass to get then they are worth.  They are either hard to find or spammy to use.  Rags, tiny coin pouches that are just glorified folded rags, and things like that to me are just not worth the spam.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

I'll see what I can make happen.

Toss 'A grubby boy sits here by the stoop, seeling coin bags.' in front of the bank locals in the game and give him the following items:
1. a small coin pouch (holds 1-500 coins) - 1 obsidian coin
2. a medium coin pouch (holds 501-1000 coins) - 2 obsidian coins
3. a large coin purse (holds 1001-2500 coins) - 3 obsidan coins

Someone will suggest that the pouchs will be abused and used for other shit. Well, I know for a fact that items can be restricted in their use, such as knife belts. Therefore, restrict these pouchs' use to strictly coins.

Additionally, make giving someone more than 50 coins without a purse impossible. Make it so that you can handle as many coins as you want to, but you can't give them to anyone without a purse. That way, you can still do purchases and so forth and move them around just however you like between chests and so on, but you can't do an exchange without the purses.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

And Rindan, you're right, but you're wrong too.

Props shouldn't have to be there, but when they are, it makes the game that much cooler. I wish they would sell rags for shit like wiping your ass and stuff.

[Delirium]

In my humble opinion, some things are better left virtual.

It makes things much more seamless.

I will stop emoting virtual pouches if it is some horribly abusive thing to do.

But I will sure as fuck not start carrying around fifty little coinpouches to use whenever I want to get a damned ale. It's already bad enough when I see:

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The man opens a backpack.

The man gets a pile of coins from a backpack.

The man closes a backpack.

The man gives the bartender many coins for an ale.

The man opens a backpack.

The man puts a pile of coins into a backpack.

The man closes a backpack.


Now.. you want people to add four more lines of spam to that?  Heh.


(p.s. Stop trying to beat those poor pockpockets through code!
Keep some money in your damned pockets!)

[Morfeus]

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open backpack

get pouch backpack

get pouch backpack

close backpack

open pouch

get coins pouch
(You get 400 coins from a pouch.)

put 200 coins pouch

close pouch

open 2.pouch

put 200 coins 2.pouch

close 2.pouch

open backpack

put 2.pouch backpack

close backpack

give pouch employee (totally exhausted)

:shock:

[Delirium]

EXACTLY!

[Maybe42or54]

steal pouch man

Got it!

l in pouch
Inside a medium coin pouch (carried):
a medium pile of coins.


I'll carry around three I suppose.
Most of my money will be in the large pouch.
My on the spot money for a couple ales would be in the smallest, and my weapons pouch will have a reasonable amount.
I wouldn't like it if they were neccesary though.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

Well, fuck. Yeah, I suppose it might be spammy. Still, give it to us who do want it. I do!

[Maybe42or54]

Morfeus. Fill those pouches up at the bank when you take the money out.

What'd it do for me. I would have a different employees pouch in a different place on my person.

And don't let them be closeable.

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get pouch cloak

give pouch target.1

open pack

get pouch pack

give pouch target.2

get pouch belt

give pouch rat.1

get pouch boots

give pouch assassin.out.to.get.me.1

[Morfeus]

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withdraw 1100

open backpack

get pouch backpack

get pouch backpack

get pouch backpack

get pouch backpack

get pouch backpack

close backpack

put 200 coins pouch

put 200 coins 2.pouch

put 200 coins 3.pouch

put 200 coins 4.pouch

put 300 coins 5.pouch

open backpack

put pouch backpack

put pouch backpack

put pouch backpack

put pouch backpack

put pouch backpack

close backpack

think Krath, which one is the one with MY payment now?!


:twisted:

[Maybe42or54]

Freak. J/king.

I WANT TO DO IT STILL>?><>?>?

Put your payment in the largest pouch and theirs in the smallest.

[Morfeus]

Freak. J/king.

I WANT TO DO IT STILL>?><>?>?

Put your payment in the largest pouch and theirs in the smallest.

I am not stopping you Just do not force me to use it myself and please, make all this spam in some place I cannot see it.  :twisted:

[Maybe42or54]

I agree.

Thats why I'll do it in the bank, you too poor to get in there any way.

[X-D]

Don't much like it.

Whats wrong with virtual props anyway?

[LauraMars]

Maybe it's the time, but I found the huge long lines of generated spam that everyone has just seen fit to share with us to be hilarious to the fuck'd degree.