Trustworthy, cheap money pouches

[John]

Most of us, at one time or another, have emoted giving people coins in a money pouch. Bet I bet most of us have used a virtual pouch. What I'd like to see is people begin using coded pouches more often. They do exist in-game, but from what I've seen their pretty expensive for most characters (5 to 10 'sid a pop, however for those claiming you are able to save a lot of 'sid too easily, start using them and giving them out to players ).

A cheap way (for PCs) to get money pouches into the game is to have Nenyuk provide them when you withdraw money. Let's say I withdraw 500 'sid, it's unlikely Nenyuk is going to give me that without some container, so it makes sense for them to provide it in a money pouch (which most of us emote them doing anyway). I'm sure they can afford it with all the 'sid they make. That way, they'll be fairly abundant in-game, so people will be more likely to give them to players. If you think this would be too annoying, you can have "withdraw [pouch optional] 500 [clan optional]"

Something extra that can be added is having the pouches identifiable with a certain amount. You could color them. So a yellow nenyuk pouch holds 100 'sid, a blue one holds 500 'sid, a red one holds 1,000 'sid, a black one holds 10,000 'sid, a brown one holds an unknown amount. That way when I give person X a yellow pouch they get "John gives you a yellow nenyuki pouch, it feels full." That way if the person trusts me, they won't check it. If they don't trust me, they'll check it (this also allows for opportunities with adding stones to a pouch in order to try to fool someone). If people want, a small fee can be added for this.

An extra step that can be done is to have stamped color pouches. Pouches that have been sealed with wax and then stamped by a special Nenyuk stamp. This shows that the amount hasn't been tampered with since it left Nenyuk hands (for really really important transactions) and could incur a larger then normal fee (20-100 'sid, whatever you want).

What do people think? I personally think it's make a great addition to the game (important? Naaah. But it would be a nice little thing). And the 3 ideas don't all have to be implemented.

[The Lonely Hunter]

I love the idea.

[sacac]

But I don't think nenyuk would supply the pouches.
Maybe, maybe not.

[Marauder Moe]

I think it's too much trouble.  Emoting a virtual money pouch is just one extra command.  Using coded pouches would more than double the amount of time it takes for any transaction.

[jhunter]

I wouldn't mind the addition, but I don't mind emoting it out with a virtual pouch. *shrug*

[Stroker]

I, once again, think the idea to be superfluous. Then again, what isn't? What particular aspect of virtual pouches do you find antagonizing? Hmm? Maybe you're a Pouchist? Ya Bastard! I'm sick of you people constantly segregating virtual pouches from coded pouches!

[lazycritic]

I use normal pouches when I have them, and don't pretend to have pouches if I don't. I've never ignored someone's 'virtual pouch', but I do find them annoying - they seem to appear and dissapear on a whim. If I'm a pickpocket, you can bet I'm gonna want to grab a money-pouch rather than a few coins.

If you color-coded them, it would make it a bit too easy on thieves. Besides, dye is expensive. Nenyuk handing coin off in pouches would be nice (after 100, say), but you might run into trouble with people depositing/withdrawing just for the pouches...

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

I would love this idea, and on the same topic, I would like to see pouchs for food more commonplace.

[Ghost]

Nice.. A really really nice idea.  At least, the observer would see the difference between giving 10 coins and 10000 coins.

[Jacques]

A cheap way (for PCs) to get money pouches into the game is to have Nenyuk provide them when you withdraw money. Let's say I withdraw 500 'sid, it's unlikely Nenyuk is going to give me that without some container, so it makes sense for them to provide it in a money pouch (which most of us emote them doing anyway). I'm sure they can afford it with all the 'sid they make. That way, they'll be fairly abundant in-game, so people will be more likely to give them to players. If you think this would be too annoying, you can have "withdraw [pouch optional] 500 [clan optional]"

I disagree with this, actually. The Nenyuki are known for being quite tight about even a single coin. They're not just going to give you 5-10 'sid worth of free goods with every withdrawl. If you provided the container, I'm sure they'd fill it for you. They may also be willing to provide one for a fee.  But what do THEY care if your coin gets stolen the moment you leave, because you're carrying it in giant armfuls instead of in a backpack or pouch? If you don't deposit it again, the thief will, or the spice dealier the thief bought from will, or someone else down the line. They'll see it again eventually, one way or another.

That said, I also like the idea of using in-game pouches when possible. It would add considerable flavor to some of the larger transactions. However, the virtual pouch gives thieves the opportunity to take a small piece and be less noticed. So to my mind, it kinda evens out.

[HardCarbon]

But I don't think nenyuk would supply the pouches.
Maybe, maybe not.

 They'll provide anything your heart desires... for a price  

[Twilight]

Unless you've already agreed on a price before you meet, aren't you going still going to count it out?  And why the hell would I give someone a pouch worth 5-10 sid along with my 150 sid for that sword?  No way, let them pick it up off of the bar/table/naked back of a prositute that I counted it out onto.

[Revelations]

I don't think it's really needed unless it's a very large sum. Then a small chest or tough leather bag would be worth it for easy transport and safety. Now that I think about it, you would usually need a container of some sort more for safety, though a bag would add doubly for the convenience, in certain situations with large sums. With small sums, it's more an inconvenience for everyone than it is the worth.

Anyways, currently I think small transactions are perfectly fine with virtual bags, but have the larger sums in the coded containers for the main benefit of (coded) safety.

[Ghost]

Actually, thinking about it, it would make sense for Nenyuk to give bags.  Imagine when you are depositing 1000 coins right?  You would not go out carrying 1000 coins in your hands or pockets, but you would have it in a bag and deposit it with the bag.  So Nenyuk would take the coins and the bag from you and they would have a bunch of bags, since there are a lot of people depositing coins.
So when you come for withdrawing some big amount, Nenyuk would give it in a bag.

EDIT: I wonder if Nenyuk is selling those bags to add to the profit.

[/jk]

[Cuusardo]

Wouldn't taking all those virtual bags and making them into actual items clutter up the database?

[proxie]

Interesting idea, not sure if it's necessary or not.

Something I'd like to see is sticks of obsidian that represent larger denominations. Make a small and a large real items, and have the Nenyuk be able to accept them as is for deposit or break them up for you.

Then you can carry around your 'sid, but still break it up to buy things.

Proxie

[Revelations]

K.I.S.P.  :lol:  Though that mentality works only on some cases. I think this is one of them though.

[lazycritic]

And why the hell would I give someone a pouch worth 5-10 sid along with my 150 sid for that sword?

If that's your opinion, then RP counting out your coins and don't use virtual pouches.

[Elgiva]

I do not have any problem with virtual pouches myself. I use real pouches if there is a reason for it. I use no pouches for very low amounts or if my char does not bother to count it properly. I use virtual pouches in other cases.

[Cuusardo]

There are plenty of actual pouch items in the game.

[Stroker]

There are plenty of actual pouch items in the game.

But none of them are FREE now are they?

[Cuusardo]

There are plenty of actual pouch items in the game.

But none of them are FREE now are they?

That's not Nenyuk's problem, now is it?

[Stroker]

That's not Nenyuk's problem, now is it?

Well, if that is your approach; I'd like to inquire as to what IS a Nenyuki problem? Perhaps.... a monkey?

[Moofassa]

*sigh*

I like the idea. It's neat, and saves me from making a fool out of myself, holding 400 coins in the palm of my hand.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

Truthfully, if you get down to it, Staff needs to make a limit on how much you can hold in your hands when it comes to coins. This will enforce the idea of pouchs.

>withdraw 400 3.pouch

If pouchs only cost a sid or two, it will be realistic. I know we can always RP this and that and the other thing, but when it comes down to it, I like hard coded solutions for everything.

[joyofdiscord]

Truthfully, if you get down to it, Staff needs to make a limit on how much you can hold in your hands when it comes to coins. This will enforce the idea of pouchs.

Then how will you buy any very expensive item from a shop?  More hardcoded pouches just means a lot more get, put, get, put, get, put, unless there are hardcoded shortcuts to make it easier (like withdraw coins 2.pouch), but that requires a lot of extra coding just so a more complex system can be managed as easily as the current one.  Hardcoded pouches -do- have their advantages, so it's nice to use them when possible.

[Graven]

NA.

[The7DeadlyVenomz]

As long as you have the pouch in your hand, you can make the purchase.

>buy #16
You count 123 obsidian coins out of a small cloth sack and give it to a bald shopkeeper, who passes you a set of leather armbands.

[Marauder Moe]

So... the game would let you buy things even with the money still inside the pouches?  Like they weren't there?  Sounds like virtual pouches to me, except maybe we have to pay for them.  :wink:

[Sir Diealot]

This underscores an entirely different problem.

The uneducated, unwashed, illiterate citizens of Zalanthas are capable of paying exactly 1573 for a purchase.  Every time, with no variation, because they count out exactly how many coins they need.  Pouches, or larger bricks would be a VERY good idea.  So you can keep the numbers smaller, without confusing the HalfGiant.. '2 bars, 1 cube, and 3 coins'  as opposed to '113 coins'.. It just sorta makes sense.. Even if its virtual, and Rp'd, it'd be nice if it was documented, and played that way.

[Marauder Moe]

That's what the virtual pouches are for.  People could seperate their coins into pouches of 100 each (a small stack, as many already say), count out what they need and add some loose change to fill the rest.

[Ghost]

Even if the people are uneducated, I am quite sure they are very well at counting.  Especially when it comes down to counting coins.  In a harsh world, where the coins are hard to come by, people are not going to lose them easily.  So it makes sense for the average dirt to be capable of counting exactly 123 coins and pay them exactly.