Source of food/wealth for artsy ol' Tuluk?

[Mook]

Anyone have a clear picture what Tuluk depends on for food?  I figure 'Nak has those expansive grain fields around the main city, but can't think off the top of my head where a city like Tuluk, with such a trickle-down of attention to arts through many social classes, gets its food?

[Gaare]

Mainly House Uaptal is managing the livestock and farming of Tuluk. Also some other houses, like Tenneshi owns some lands that are used for farming as well.

Another source of food is independent hunters and tribals who came to the city with surplus hunted meat and scavanged roots.

[Forest Junkie]

Anyone have a clear picture what Tuluk depends on for food?

In my opinion:

1) Livestock

2) Wild game

3) Food from the ground (planted or natural)

Tuluk has far more options than Allanak I think in regards to what exactly they rely on for food.

[Anonymous]

Bread is the staple of every human(oid) diet which all others foods center around.  Red Storm East is the sole provider of wheat.  There would have to be a continuous chain of shipment from this village to Tuluk in order to maintain bread supplies, which is likely only reflected virtually.

[Anonymous]

Bread is the staple of every human(oid) diet which all others foods center around.

Not true to my knowledge. I am not going to comment on Zalanthan sources of wheat, so let's stick with Earthen history.

1. Bread was not always made of wheat. Look at China and Japan. They rely on rice even in modern days, not to mention medieval ages.

2.  There were places where wheat or any other kind of grain didn't grow at all. Take Central Africa for example, or northern edges of Europe and  America. People survive without any kind of bread just fine.

3. Speaking of Europe, bread was primary food because it's cheap to grow. But it does not mean bread contains anything that can't be attained from other sources of food.

[EvilRoeSlade]

For everyone saying that Tuluk depends even a little on tribal hunter/gatherers and commercial hunter as a source of food, you are dead wrong.

A hunter/gatherer society cannot produce a surplus of food.  They produce enough food for their own people, and that's it.  That's why they are a hunter/gatherer society, for if they were a farming society, then they would produce a food surplus, and thus eventually become an advanced civilization.

Commercial hunters are specialists produced by such an advanced civilization.  They hunt for profit and probably limit their game to animals that can produce raw material used in the making of luxury items, which they can then sell.  I suppose a commercial hunter might also produce enough food to feed themselves and their family, but they would only be in the practice of selling food if that food happens to be a luxury item.

[Anonymous]

Not true to my knowledge. I am not going to comment on Zalanthan sources of wheat, so let's stick with Earthen history.

Earth history is not Zalanthan history, therefore a comparison between the two usually fails in making a point (usually).

1. Bread was not always made of wheat. Look at China and Japan. They rely on rice even in modern days, not to mention medieval ages.

Zalanthas is neither China nor Japan, nor the Middle Ages.  Rice does not exist on Zalanthas, nor does corn, nor many other "bread" substitutes (i.e., spelt bread, soy, etc.)

2. There were places where wheat or any other kind of grain didn't grow at all. Take Central Africa for example, or northern edges of Europe and America. People survive without any kind of bread just fine.

Yes, people can survive lifelong without bread but that doesn't stop it from being the predominant source of food in most cultures, Zalanthas included.  If you take a look at what foods are available in clan compounds, taverns and shops, you'll see that breads are quite common, even in Tuluk.  The point of my reply was to indicate that these products are made from wheat and Red Storm East seems to be the only source of wheat.

3. Speaking of Europe, bread was primary food because it's cheap to grow. But it does not mean bread contains anything that can't be attained from other sources of food.

You're probably right.  I've been observing a wheat-free diet for a number of years now in attempt to rid my body of an overgrowth of candida albicans and I'm eating just fine.  In fact, I'd have to say that my diet may even be healthier with the absense of wheat.  But just because there are other nutritious foods besides bread, as you're trying to indicate, has nothing to do with the point of my original post.  Regardless of real world cultures, Tuluk's diet assumes bread (at least for most people), bread that has been made from wheat.  These foods could not be constantly available without a trade route.  That's the only point I was trying to make.

[Mook]

With a little guidance from Gaare's post, I've dug these up -

help red storm east:

Red Storm East is reputed to be a farming village that provides most of the food for the Southlands.

Tuluki roleplay docs, House Uaptal:

They were, and still are, responsible for the management of resources and raw materials for the city. Produce and livestock also fall under their jurisdiction within the region of Gol Krathu.

This suggests to me that Tuluk does have some farmlands, which are either un-coded or walled off from my pc's view, and that Red Storm East probably doesn't ship grain all the way across the known world (and bread would cost a fortune in Tuluk if it was shipped that far, as does obsidian).

Edit:  Though come to think of it, produce could be any number of things.. anyone know for sure if it includes a staple like wheat or such?  Mebbe I should find out IC.. but I find it funny that we'd have any difficulty knowing where our pc's food came from

[Anonymous]

This suggests to me that Tuluk does have some farmlands, which are either un-coded or walled off from my pc's view, and that Red Storm East probably doesn't ship grain all the way across the known world (and bread would cost a fortune in Tuluk if it was shipped that far, as does obsidian).

Why wouldn't Red Storm East import wheat?  Cost a fortune, you say?  That's the whole idea behind trade.  There are countless civilizations which rely on importing and exporting goods.  Where do you think the last pineapple you ate came from?  How about the last time your purchased Orange Roughy from a local fish monger?  And before you argue about modern technology, consider that ancient Egyptians relied heavily upon trade between one city and the next.  Those situated in the deep desert had to rely on outside sources for most of their food - and if they stopped trading, they might literally starve.  

Though I don't have any documented evidence to support this, my understanding of the wheat industry in Zalanthas is that RSE is the sole provider of wheat.  All the spice you smoke has been imported unless you are getting it from either Red Storm or your own spice sifter.  And all the obsidian you use for crafting in Tuluk had to be purchased from a long ways away.  What's to say wheat can even be grown in the Gol Krathu?  I'm just discussing for the sake of discussion, I don't claim to have any right or wrong answers here, mind you ... before you say: NO GODDAM IT YOU'RE WRONG!

[Twilight]

In pre-Cataclysm Tuluk, the area between the Scaean Gates and the Merchant Gates had a fair amount of farmland.  The descriptions did not give out exactly what was grown that I can remember, but its been awhile so they might have.  It definately did mention the serfs out working in the fields, though.

Now with all the growth of modern Tuluk either a) Tuluk has built over its farmlands to create the new city or b) those farmlands now exist elsewhere which may or may not be coded into the game.  So, for me the real question is are those farmlands still around.  If there are farmlands, it would make sense that they could grow grain, although there very well could be crops that make better use of those resources that are available.

[JollyGreenGiant]

There are indeed places where foodstuffs are grown in Tuluk, and in large quantity.