It's 2016, why are we assuming gender?

[Reiloth]

If people lodge complaints about something that's not against policy, the target of the complaint shouldn't hear anything.

Personally I just chalk anything physically weird up to "mutations", the rest to Zalanthas' particular gender roles (or lack thereof) and roll with it. This doesn't need to be a big deal. Don't worry how others play, just worry how about how your character ought to react.

Yarp.

[Fathi]

I love the idea of being able to choose your gender presentation like half-elf presentation, but in the meantime the method Nergal described is fine for me.

As a player, I always, always, always err on the side of RP. If something seems ambiguous and there's no roleplayed reason my PC would know the truth of something--from gender to whether someone's a magicker to whether they're a dangerous wanted criminal--then I always err on the side of making my character a dipshit because the game is way more fun that way.

[LauraMars]

It may interest people to know that there are androgynous/hermaphroditic npcs in the game, with documentation and everything. There's just, unfortunately, no real coded way to handle them other than giving them the gender neutral/sort of offensive 'it' pronoun.

I'd like more options for display/presentation, myself. I won't die without it, and there's ways to work around the code, but I think it would still be kinda nice. It has nothing to do with being politically correct, and everything to do with being interesting and increasing appeal (how many games - even roleplaying games - let non-binary people represent themselves?) Besides, having more interplay with genders is just cool from a writing perspective, and it feels appropriate for the "anything goes" nature of the game.

[Reiloth]

Hmmmmm. Even having an option at chargen that is like, super liberal forward thinking.

What is the gender your PC was born as? (Male/Female)

What gender do they present as? (Male/Female)

That might be too many steps for people not familiar with gender roles...Or who don't care about them, though.

EDIT:
Oh, someone already posted this on the last page.

I'm also fine with the way Nergal has presented it, that's how I already do it, too.

Then again...I'm not exactly sure why 'male/female' is attached to facewraps. I guess because the rest of your body is visible? But it does seem like an unneccesary thing to add. If you want to figure out if the facewrap was a male/female, you should have to read their mdesc and figure it out. If it's ambiguous from the mdesc...Uh...Then I guess too bad?

[boog]

Hmmmmm. Even having an option at chargen that is like, super liberal forward thinking.

What is the gender your PC was born as? (Male/Female)

What gender do they present as? (Male/Female)

That might be too many steps for people not familiar with gender roles...Or who don't care about them, though.

Yeah. I guarantee you if anyone in a rural part of NC decided to give Armageddon a whirl and saw that, they'd immediately go, 'what the fuck is a gender presentation?'

[Reiloth]

Hmmmmm. Even having an option at chargen that is like, super liberal forward thinking.

What is the gender your PC was born as? (Male/Female)

What gender do they present as? (Male/Female)

That might be too many steps for people not familiar with gender roles...Or who don't care about them, though.

Yeah. I guarantee you if anyone in a rural part of NC decided to give Armageddon a whirl and saw that, they'd immediately go, 'what the fuck is a gender presentation?'

They might be in for a surprise when they get in game, tho...

[bardlyone]

I'd be happy with this instead, and the understanding that it does not determine a gender role or biological sex, but instead JUST the pronouns used with targets and commands to refer to your pc.

Code: [Select]

What name do you wish to call yourself?
What is your character's sex? (M/F/N)


[Marauder Moe]

What is the gender your PC was born as? (Male/Female)

What gender do they present as? (Male/Female)

The former would have zero coded relevance, though, so why bother?

[Malken]

No, you either look female or you look male. Pick one. That's your game sex. Nobody cares afterward if you have a penis or not. If you look neither male nor female, exactly 50% 50%, then you're a special snowflake and you need to special app.

OP was talking about facewraps and such - this is a totally different topic.

[flurry]

In addition - "they" and "their" indicate plural. If you are twins, or multiple personalities, it fits. If you are not twins, or multiple personalities, it doesn't fit. If you want to play gender neutral, then use a gender neutral pronoun: it. And possessive pronoun its. And contracted "it is" to it's.

If you're not him or her, you're it.

Let's test that one out.

"Hey, you should have heard the templar at Red's this morning."

"Oh yeah? What did it say?"

[bcw81]

'They' would work in that sentence.

they
T͟Hā/Submit
pronoun
1.
used to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned or easily identified.
"the two men could get life sentences if they are convicted"
2.
used to refer to a person of unspecified sex.
"ask someone if they could help"

[Reiloth]

The They wearing a grey, sandcloth facewrap is standing here.

[Orin]

It seems to me it would be pretty easy to simply modify the code to remove the male/female options in the sdesc when someone wears a facewrap.  When wearing a hood you already don't have to worry about it, you appear as a figure.

The figure in a dark, desert-sandcloth facewrap

/end of thread

[Lizzie]

You could go the Octavia Butler route and check out the ooloi stuff. I don't remember how they referred to themselves, or how others referred to them, but I'm pretty sure it was "it." It was the third sex. There was male, female, and ooloi. Him, her, it.

Also, the facewrap thing - I give you exhibit A:

The buxom, curvy woman.

Wearing a facewrap.
And a bra.
And a tight pair of pants.

The code should hide the fact that it's a female just because she's covering the bottom half of her face? Seriously?

And don't suppose that this is an isolated incident. There lots of buxom, or curvy, or wide-hipped, or otherwise OBVIOUSLY female-written PCs in the game. Often. The code should absolutely positively NOT hide their gender just because the lower half of their face is covered. If they're wearing a cloak, then the cloak is obscuring the most obvious features. If they're wearing a cowl - it isn't obscuring them and I don't think those should hide their gender either.

Things that cover the head, but not the rest of the body, should NOT hide gender.

[Raptor_Dan]

Oh lord.

*tries desperately to close pandora's box*

[LauraMars]

*cheerfully dropkicks pandora's box*

In my dream world I'd be able to set what coded gender I'm presenting as at will. Paint on a mustache and be a dude for a day. Stuff some melons down my shirt, cinch up a corset and pass as a girl.

With appropriate roleplay of course.

[Reiloth]

*cheerfully dropkicks pandora's box*

In my dream world I'd be able to set what coded gender I'm presenting as at will. Paint on a mustache and be a dude for a day. Stuff some melons down my shirt, cinch up a corset and pass as a girl.

With appropriate roleplay of course.

Completely 100% agree. I have wanted to RP Mrs. Doubtfire and Aladdin scenes and, due to code, cannot.

I'm serious that isn't sarcastic!

[BadSkeelz]

In my dream we would have a scale of obscuring for clothing

Masks, facewraps, bandanas, etc hide the sdesc but NOT the sex
Hooded robes, abas, cloaks and the like would hide the sdesc AND the sex

I'd also like the the detail of an sdesc to drop depending on distance.

So there.

[bardlyone]

*cheerfully dropkicks pandora's box*

In my dream world I'd be able to set what coded gender I'm presenting as at will. Paint on a mustache and be a dude for a day. Stuff some melons down my shirt, cinch up a corset and pass as a girl.

With appropriate roleplay of course.

Not going to lie, if neutral pronouns existed, 95% of the time, I'd be down for using those, especially if the gender thing was removed from facewrap/cloak stuff, so I could do this very thing. Genderfluidity ftw.

[Lizzie]

I like both LauraMars' and BadSkeelz' take on it. When you think your character is appearing, or vocalizing, more like a female than a male, then your pronoun can toggle back and forth. Downside to that is the same as the downside to movement/talk aliases - if you forget to re-toggle appropriately you end up being the bald female with the male voice and mustache, or the male with melon-sized knockers. Also, the sdesc morphing to a "figure" as you gain distance from whoever you're looking at.

[Orin]

Sounds like a decent compromise.

[MeTekillot]

I wish shouting and talking in the dark just pulled from a voice description you could set at chargen and in description change requests instead of being male/female/whatever.

[BadSkeelz]

Code: [Select]

The tall muscular man kicks you in the pelvis, making you see stars!

Your voice changes from Deep to High.

>change voice deep

You can't do that yet, you're in too much pain.

[bardlyone]

I wish shouting and talking in the dark just pulled from a voice description you could set at chargen and in description change requests instead of being male/female/whatever.

That would also be sweet.

[boog]

the really loud half-italian woman shouts, 'you fuckin' idiots ate all my meatballs!' from the south