City-elf playability changes?

[X-D]

Spoon beat me to the pack animal.

Also, not all tents are created equal.

As to the last bit, city elves have grown soft, it is that simple.

And crowds? Come on, I've yet to see a city rooms that states "Crowds of world cup density" and delves have to run dodging rocks, trees, other plants, holes, predators and more, I think that more then allows practice that carries over to darting around slow moving humans.

Lastly, City elves are...Um, CITY elves, it should not be easy for them to travel in the wilderness, they should not even want to be in the wilderness. Sure, they can travel between cities, but it should be risky and a real pain in the ass. So, things are just fine.

[Twilight]

Add 'hitch kank'

But yes, just like city/wilderness sneak and hide, desert-elves should have a lot of difficulty running through crowds. The problem at present is, as has already been mentioned, that even with their modifiers desert-elves could outrun city-elves. If that's a problem, though. City-elf running could be what's left over of their running ability, so rather it's a bonus for city elves compared to other city-dwellers because they have retained some running ability -and- adapted to the city.

Have you actually ever had a foot face between a city elf and a desert elf, in the city?  My last one was maybe five or six years ago, so maybe the code has changed, but to me it definately looked as if it were working as intended.

[Samira]

City elves start with sirihish and don't have to spend 98% of their days played alone after their whole tribe gets eaten by weezers.

[Armaddict]

City elves running the city have a bonus that defeats even desert-elves running in the city.  So you guys know.

Unless it's been changed.

[Spoon]

I seem to remember city elf stamina used to be higher?

[Malifaxis]

I seem to remember less whining.

[Barzalene]

I seem to remember less whining.

I believe you're mistaken there.

[Spoon]

Yeah, you've been here before too Barzalene?

Anyway, on a less inane level:

Twilight, I haven't actually tested both in a footrace. If it's like this already then all's well.

X-D, Woudln't running down the high street of a town is trickier than running through a park? I'm not really making a point for code change though as I'm pro status-quo on this. I think if you pick city elf, you deal with the restrictions. There are plenty of other options if people can't deal with it.

[X-D]

Sure it would be trickier then a park...But I don't think anybody would call the zalanthan wilderness a park....take a look at them room descs sometime...brutal.

[Spoon]

Yeah, I guess they train race horses and soldiers on sand in real life because it's such a bastard to run on, too.

[Niamh]

Here's a little experiment:

Try going for a jog down a city sidewalk.

Then try going for a jog over the choppiest part of a sandy beach, the part that's not been washed smooth by the water.

[a strange shadow]

As a counter-argument, I do think that running on wilderness roads should cost as much as walking on one, for a city elf.

This is, if it doesn't already. I haven't played one in, um, a really long time.

[Dar]

Personally. I like the handicap the celves have in the wild. They're 'ment' to have them. The delves having no handicaps in the city isnt that big a deal, considering only a few tribes can even "enter" cities, and it is up to the playerbase to decide just how 'welcome' those delves are.

For celves, a passage from city to city is a long, difficult ordeal, not something to be taken lightly, easily, or on a whim. A celf living in the wild, must have some extremely difficult adaptation to do.

[spawnloser]

C.elves can run in the city better than d.elves.  Just because d.elves can still run better than anyone else in the city doesn't mean they have no handicaps.  Coded handicaps, maybe they have less than a human, but they have plenty of socio-cultural handicaps, more than c.elves.

[Timetwister]

Here's a little experiment:

Try going for a jog down a city sidewalk.

Then try going for a jog over the choppiest part of a sandy beach, the part that's not been washed smooth by the water.

Is this assuming that I could get better at beach running? Why wouldn't city elves be able to have an innate ability to run and simply improve upon it by running outside?

[spawnloser]

Timetwister, by definition, a city elf didn't do that for all the years of growing up and are not conditioned for it the same way a desert elf is.  The difference between a city elf and a desert elf is 100% nurture, not nature.

[Armaddict]

Timetwister, by definition, a city elf didn't do that for all the years of growing up and are not conditioned for it the same way a desert elf is.  The difference between a city elf and a desert elf is 100% nurture, not nature.

Well, I wouldn't exactly say that.  Weaker runners out in the wild die.  Stronger runners survive.  Weaker runners who fall behind a lot get less time with the ladies (heh heh, no, that's not serious).  But.  With long periods of time with their isolation and lack of mixing with the city elves...there very likely are genetic differences between the two.  Whether it be muscular, structural, or cardiovascular differences, whatever.  Really quite possible for their 'running' to be not only nurtured, but a focal point of their body far more than the city elf.

Either way.  I don't want them combined.  And I think these complaints are silly.

[FightClub]

Wouldn't mind the staff taking delf/celf -- and combining them, into just plain elf, and maintaining the 1 karma standard.  That elf wants to be a tribal in the desert, whatever, that elf wants to be in the city, whatever.

Having a distinction between the two makes about as much sense as classifying your left and right testicle as different races.  It makes about as much sense as taking individual human tribes, or tuluki and nakki humans, and making them separate races.

That's my opinion at least. And if my opinion carried any weight, which it doesn't -- elves might be enjoyable, or playable, and at this point -- they're absolutely not.

[Qzzrbl]

Wouldn't mind the staff taking delf/celf -- and combining them, into just plain elf, and maintaining the 1 karma standard.  That elf wants to be a tribal in the desert, whatever, that elf wants to be in the city, whatever.

Having a distinction between the two makes about as much sense as classifying your left and right testicle as different races.  It makes about as much sense as taking individual human tribes, or tuluki and nakki humans, and making them separate races.

That's my opinion at least. And if my opinion carried any weight, which it doesn't -- elves might be enjoyable, or playable, and at this point -- they're absolutely not.

Not necessarily....

There are distinctions like this IRL between humans.

There are some African tribes who hunt by running an chasing after their prey until it collapses to the ground out of sheer fucking exhaustion.

You can take your best Olympic endurance runner, and he'll fall behind like the city slicker he is.

There was a video on youtube documenting one of those tribal hunts.... And if I can find it, I'll post it up here.

[Qzzrbl]

Here we go.

Ladies and gentlemen.

I present to you.

Desert elves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUpo_mA5RP8

[spicemustflow]

Wow. Amazing and sad.

[Thunkkin]

Not sure why it is sad.  But it is amazing.  Long distance running was the true human advantage and drove quite a bit of the evolution of our legs, hips, gait, etc.

[Malifaxis]

I'm glad you dug that back up, Qzzrbl.  It's a damn awesome video.

[spicemustflow]

Not sure why it is sad.

I found the part with the animal collapsing sad. To know you're going to die but you can't do a damn thing about it.

[Anaiah]

Not sure why it is sad.

I found the part with the animal collapsing sad. To know you're going to die but you can't do a damn thing about it.

I found it apt of the stamina/movement code. Still sucks for it, though. I've lost many a pc to randomly being chased down.